Health Care

[Cleo's Mom 257]

There is a difference in what you know in your heart to be morally right and your actions.

Liberals and conservatives BOTH sin and do wrong every day.

The difference is that conservatives know they are wrong and understand that they are wrong and that they can't go through life without sinning. They have morals.

Liberals, OTOH, don't think they are doing anything sinful when they sin. They have no morals.

Well, I'm a liberal and I'm as moral as you. And most liberals that I know are moral people, too. We care about people and the planet we have been given to care for.

And the only republicans who know that they did wrong -ARE THE ONES WHO GOT CAUGHT. :tt2: :thumbup:

[tdslf1 0]

Didn't the bulk of this garbage happen under Bush?

[tdslf1 0]

PG,

Your saying you're independant? Then you're either delusional or a liar.

Edited June 5, 2010 by tdslf1

[LeighaMason 19]

I have asked you in the past to name one thing that the Republicans preach that you disagree with. I am challenging you again, name 1 thing that you disagree with in the republican agenda.

You can call yourself whatever......your true colors shine right through.

Dem's have no morals? Now that might be the stupidest thing I have ever heard you say. And I have heard many.

Patty, I am bumping up my challenge, name 1 thing that you disagree with from the republican agenda.

[pattygreen 5]

Well, the republicans have been in control for much of the last 50 years, why didn't they cut these programs? Sure it might have been unpopular but you keep yapping for it to get done, so why do you suppose it hasn't? After all, with all the power the republicans can do anything. Right? Isn't that what the teabagger candidates are pledging? Smaller government, fewer taxes, cutting programs, etc.. So if they believe it's possible, why hasn't it been done by the republicans when they had all the power? Do you really think it will just take DIFFERENT republicans to do it? LOL :thumbup:

I don't care who caused it. Rep or dem. This is the here and now! I know you don't like to concentrate on the here and now, cause you like to compare everything that Obama is doing to the things Bush has done, but you can't change the past.

I'm NOT a Republican. I am an Independent. I vote for the better of the 2 evils. That's all I can do. Right now, Obama is the one who has the reigns and I see him blasting the spending like no tomorrow. Why doesn't he stop?

Obama and Democrats Push Fed Debt over $13 Trillion

by Tom McGregor Fri, Jun 4, 2010, 11:50 AM Does President Barack Obama, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D.-Ca.) or Senate Leader Harry Reid (R.-Nv.) have any intention of holding down the federal deficit bubble that has just surpassed the $13 trillion mark as of Tuesday? Of course not, but American voters can at least sweep Mrs. Pelosi and Mr. Reid out of power with the upcoming mid-term elections this November.

The Washington Times reports that, 'the federal government is now $13 trillion in the red, the Treasury Department reported Wednesday, marking the first time the government has sunk taht far into debt and putting a sharp point on the spending debate in Capitol Hill."

By calculating down to the last penny, the debt amounted to $13,050,826,460,886.97 as of Tuesday, surging nearly $60 billion since Friday, the previous day for which statistics were released.

The debt problem does not bode well for Obama if he faces any conflicts with China. Beijing is the largest holder of U.S. Treasury Securities. To pay for ObamaCare, same-sex benefits for federal government employees, future stimulus spending, payments to the United Nations, pork-barrel projects and other government waste projects, the president must placate to the China Communist Party.

According to the Washington Times, "at $13 trillion, that figure has risen by $2.4 trillion in about 50 days since President Obama took office, or an average of $4.9 billion a day. That's almost three times the daily average of $1.7 billion under the previous administration, and led Republicans on Wednesday to place blame squarely at the feet of Mr. Obama and his fellow Democrats."

On Wednesday, the White House, spokesmen for the Democratic chairmen of the House and Senate budget committees are refusing to comment on-the-record about the debt catastrophe.

To read the entire article from the Washington Times, link here:

Tmcgregordallas@yahoo.com

[Cleo's Mom 257]

I don't care who caused it. Rep or dem. This is the here and now! I know you don't like to concentrate on the here and now, cause you like to compare everything that Obama is doing to the things Bush has done, but you can't change the past.

I'm NOT a Republican. I am an Independent. I vote for the better of the 2 evils. That's all I can do. Right now, Obama is the one who has the reigns and I see him blasting the spending like no tomorrow. Why doesn't he stop?

I didn't ask who caused it, I asked why hasn't it been "fixed" by the republicans? When they had all the power why didn't they make a smaller government, reduce spending, reduce the deficit, cut programs, ad infinitum, ad nauseum?

Can you answer that? Because if you can't they why would you believe any of the tea party candidates who say THEY can? What makes them any different?

Obama and Democrats Push Fed Debt over $13 Trillion

by Tom McGregor Fri, Jun 4, 2010, 11:50 AM Does President Barack Obama, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D.-Ca.) or Senate Leader Harry Reid (R.-Nv.) have any intention of holding down the federal deficit bubble that has just surpassed the $13 trillion mark as of Tuesday? Of course not, but American voters can at least sweep Mrs. Pelosi and Mr. Reid out of power with the upcoming mid-term elections this November.

The Washington Times reports that, 'the federal government is now $13 trillion in the red, the Treasury Department reported Wednesday, marking the first time the government has sunk taht far into debt and putting a sharp point on the spending debate in Capitol Hill."

By calculating down to the last penny, the debt amounted to $13,050,826,460,886.97 as of Tuesday, surging nearly $60 billion since Friday, the previous day for which statistics were released.

The debt problem does not bode well for Obama if he faces any conflicts with China. Beijing is the largest holder of U.S. Treasury Securities. To pay for ObamaCare, same-sex benefits for federal government employees, future stimulus spending, payments to the United Nations, pork-barrel projects and other government waste projects, the president must placate to the China Communist Party.

And whose Chinese communist a$$ did bush kiss to fund the unnecessary Iraqi war? Just think of how that money could have been used to help our economy here at home and create jobs instead of killing 4000 soldiers. Or not borrowed at all and help reduce the debt.

[BJean 16]

Anybody surprised that patty admires Michelle Bachman?

By most people standards Bachman is a complete and total wacko. Sure she has her followers. There are lots of wackos around for her to appeal to.

Her head is too big for her tiny shoulders. Figuratively speaking.

[tdslf1 0]

PG, says,

I don't care who caused it. Rep or dem. This is the here and now! I know you don't like to concentrate on the here and now, cause you like to compare everything that Obama is doing to the things Bush has done, but you can't change the past.

I'm NOT a Republican. I am an Independent. I vote for the better of the 2 evils. That's all I can do. Right now, Obama is the one who has the reigns and I see him blasting the spending like no tomorrow. Why doesn't he stop?

LIAR because of response to teabaggers voting dem. Roll the tape. If premise is anti-abortion, anti-choice, anti-this, anti- that, you are a LIAR and a rethug. Real independant would see case for both sides, good points on BOTH sides. You, according to you, see none. LIAR.

Edited June 5, 2010 by tdslf1

[pattygreen 5]

PG, says,

I don't care who caused it. Rep or dem. This is the here and now! I know you don't like to concentrate on the here and now, cause you like to compare everything that Obama is doing to the things Bush has done, but you can't change the past.

I'm NOT a Republican. I am an Independent. I vote for the better of the 2 evils. That's all I can do. Right now, Obama is the one who has the reigns and I see him blasting the spending like no tomorrow. Why doesn't he stop?

LIAR because of response to teabaggers voting dem. Roll the tape. If premise is anti-abortion, anti-choice, anti-this, anti- that, you are a LIAR and a rethug. Real independant would see case for both sides, good points on BOTH sides. You, according to you, see none. LIAR.

One of LBT policies is NO name calling. If you can't be respectful to me, then I will not be conversing with you any longer.

[pattygreen 5]

I don't care who caused it. Rep or dem. This is the here and now! I know you don't like to concentrate on the here and now, cause you like to compare everything that Obama is doing to the things Bush has done, but you can't change the past.

I'm NOT a Republican. I am an Independent. I vote for the better of the 2 evils. That's all I can do. Right now, Obama is the one who has the reigns and I see him blasting the spending like no tomorrow. Why doesn't he stop?

I didn't ask who caused it, I asked why hasn't it been "fixed" by the republicans? When they had all the power why didn't they make a smaller government, reduce spending, reduce the deficit, cut programs, ad infinitum, ad nauseum?

Can you answer that? Because if you can't they why would you believe any of the tea party candidates who say THEY can? What makes them any different?

It's not about being different. It's about making promises that you can't keep. Like telling the people that there would be no more crazy spending and that everything he okays will have the peoples okay and will be published for every eye to see (transparency)and that pork spending will be eliminated, and then not keeping ONE bit of his Word. The list of waste is below and He has NOT stopped ANY of it!!!!!

102: Protecting a Michigan insect collection from other insects ($187,632)

101: Highway beautified by fish art in Washington ($10,000)

100: University studying hookup behavior of female college coeds in New York ($219,000)

99: Police department getting 92 blackberries for supervisors in Rhode Island ($95,000)

98: Upgrades to seldom-used river cruise boat in Oklahoma ($1.8 million)

97: Precast concrete toilet buildings for Mark Twain National Forest in Montana ($462,000)

96: University studying whether mice become disoriented when they consume alcohol in Florida ($8,408)

95: Foreign bus wheel polishers for California ($259,000)

94: Recovering crab pots lost at sea in Oregon ($700,000)

93: Developing a program to develop "machine-generated humor" in Illinois ($712,883)

92: Colorado museum where stimulus was signed (and already has $90 million in the bank) gets geothermal stimulus grant ($2.6 million)

91: Grant to the Maine Indian Basketmakers Alliance to support the traditional arts apprenticeship program, gathering and festival ($30,000)

90: Studying methamphetamines and the female rat sex drive in Maryland ($30,000)

89: Studying mating decisions of cactus bugs in Florida ($325,394)

88: Studying why deleting a gene can create sex reversal in people, but not in mice in Minnesota ($190,000)

87: College hires director for a project on genetic control of sensory hair cell membrane channels in zebrafish in California ($327,337)

86: New jumbo recycling bins with microchips embedded inside to track participation in Ohio ($500,000)

85: Oregon Federal Building's "green" renovation at nearly the price of a brand new building ($133 million)

84: Massachusetts middle school getting money to build a solar array on its roof ($150,000)

83: Road widening that could have been millions of dollars cheaper if Lousiana hadn't opted to replace a bridge that may not have needed replacing ($60 million)

82: Cleanup effort of a Washington nuclear waste site that already got $12 billion from the DOE ($1.9 billion)

81: Six woodlands Water taxis getting a new home in Texas ($750,000)

80: Maryland group gets money to develop "real life" stories that underscore job and infrastructure-related research findings ($363,760)

79: Studying social networks like Facebook in North Carolina ($498,000)

78:18 North Carolina teacher coaches to heighten math and reading performance ($4.4 million)

77: Retrofitting light switches with motion sensors for one company in Arizona ($800,000)

76: Removing graffiti along 100 miles of flood-control ditches in California ($837,000)

75: Bicycle lanes, shared lane signs and bike racks in Pennsylvania ($105,000)

74: Privately-owned steakhouse rehabilitating its restaurant space in Missouri ($75,000)

73: National dinner cruise boat company in Illinois outfitting vessels with surveillance systems to protect against terrorists ($1 million)

72: Producing and transporting peanuts and Peanut Butter in North Carolina ($900,000)

71: Refurnishing and delivering picnic tables in Iowa ($30,000)

70: Digital television converter box coupon program in D.C. ($650 million)

69: Elevating and relocating 3,000 feet of track for the Napa Valley Wine Train in California ($54 million)

68: Hosting events for Earth Day, the summer solstice etc. in Minnesota ($50,000)

67: Expanding ocean aquaculture in Hawaii ($99,960)

66: Raising railroad tracks 18 inches in Oregon because the residents of one small town were tired of taking a Detour around them ($4.2 million)

65: Professors and employees of Iowa state universities voluntarily taking early retirement ($43 million)

64: Minnesota theatre named after Che Guevara putting on "socially conscious" puppet shows ($25,000)

63: Replacing a basketball court lighting system with a more energy efficient one in Arizona ($20,000)

62: Repainting and adding a security camera to one bridge in Oregon ($3.5 million)

61: Missouri bridge project that already was full-funded with state money ($8 million)

60: New hospital parking garage in New York that will employ less people ($19.5 million)

59: University in North Carolina studying why adults with ADHD smoke more ($400,000)

58: Low-income housing residents in one Minnesota city receiving free laptops, WiFi and iPod Touches to "educate" them in technology ($5 million)

57: University in California sending students to Africa to study why Africans vote they the way they do in their elections ($200,000)

56: Researching the impact of air pollution combined with a high-fat diet on obesity development in Ohio ($225,000)

55: Studying how male and female birds care for their offspring and how it compares to how humans care for their children in Oklahoma ($90,000)

54: University in Pennsylvania researching fossils in Argentina (over $1 million)

53: University in Tennessee studying how black holes form (over $1 million)

52: University in Oklahoma sending 3 researchers to Alaska to study grandparents and how they pass on knowledge to younger generations ($1.5 million)

51: Grant application from a Pennsylvania university for a researcher named in the Climate-gate scandal (Rep. Darrell Issa is calling on the president to freeze the grant) ($500,000)

50: Studying the impact of global warming on wildflowers in a Colorado ghost town ($500,000)

49: Bridge built over railroad crossing so 168 Nebraska town residents don't have to wait for the trains to pass ($7 million)

48: Renovating an old hotel into a visitors center in Kentucky ($300,000)

47: Removing overgrown weeds in a Rhode Island park ($250,000)

46: Renovating 5 seldom-used ports of entry on the U.S.-Canada border in Montana ($77 million)

45: Testing how to control private home appliances in Martha's Vineyard, Massachusetts from an off-site computer ($800,000)

44: Repainting a rarely-used bridge in North Carolina ($3.1 million)

43: Renovating a desolate Wisconsin bridge that averages 10 cars a day ($426,000)

42: 4 new buses for New Hampshire ($2 million)

41: Repaving a 1-mile stretch of Atlanta road that had parts of it already repaved in 2007 ($490,000)

40: Florida beauty school tuition ($2.3 million)

39: Extending a bike path to the Minnesota Twins stadium ($500,000)

38: Beautification of Los Angeles' Sunset Boulevard ($1.1 million)

37: Colorado Dragon Boat Festival ($10,000)

36: Developing the next generation of supersonic corporate jets in Maryland that could cost $80 million dollars each ($4.7 million)

35: New spring training facilities for the Arizona Diamondbacks and Colorado Rockies ($30 million)

34: Demolishing 35 old laboratories in New Mexico ($212 million)

33: Putting free WiFi, Internet kiosks and interactive history lessons in 2 Texas rest stops ($13.8 million)

32: Replacing a single boat motor on a government boat in D.C. ($10,500)

31: Developing the next generation of football gloves in Pennsylvania ($150,000)

30: Pedestrian bridge to nowhere in West Virginia ($80,000)

29: Replacing all signage on 5 miles of road in Rhode Island ($4,403,205)

28: Installing a geothermal energy system to heat the "incredible shrinking mall" in Tennessee ($5 million)

27: University in Minnesota studying how to get the homeless to stop smoking ($230,000)

26: Large woody habitat rehabilitation project in Wisconsin ($16,800)

25: Replacing escalators in the parking garage of one D.C. metro station ($4.3 million)

24: Building an airstrip in a community most Alaskans have never even heard of ($14,707,949)

23: Bike and pedestrian paths connecting Camden, N.J. to Philadelphia, Penn. when there's already a bridge that connects them ($23 million)

22: Sending 10 university undergrads each year from North Carolina to Costa Rica to study the rainforests ($564,000)

21: Road signs touting stimulus funds at work in Ohio ($1 million)

20: Researching how paying attention improves performance of difficult tasks in Connecticut ($850,000)

19: Kentucky Transportation Department awarding contracts to companies associated with a road contractor accused of bribing the previous state transportation secretary ($24 million)

18: Amtrak losing $32 per passenger nationally but rewarded with windfall ($1.3 billion)

17: Widening an Arizona interstate even though the company that won the contract has a history of tax fraud and pollution ($21.8 million)

16: Replace existing dumbwaiters in New York ($351,807)

15: Deer underpass in Wyoming ($1,239,693)

14: Arizona universities examining the division of labor in ant colonies (combined $950,000)

13: Fire station without firefighters in Nevada ($2 million)

12: "Clown" theatrical production in Pennsylvania ($25,000)

11: Maryland town gets money but doesn't know what to do with it ($25,000)

10: Investing in nation-wide wind power (but majority of money has gone to foreign companies) ($2 billion)

9: Resurfacing a tennis court in Montana ($50,000)

8: University in Indiana studying why young men do not like to wear condoms ($221,355)

7: Funds for Massachusetts roadway construction to companies that have defrauded taxpayers, polluted the environment and have paid tens of thousands of dollars in fines for violating workplace safety laws (millions)

6: Sending 11 students and 4 teachers from an Arkansas university to the U.N. climate change convention in Copenhagen, using almost 54,000 lbs of carbon dioxide from air travel alone ($50,000)

5: Storytelling festival in Utah ($15,000)

4: Door mats to the Department of the Army in Texas ($14,675)

3: University in New York researching young adults who drink malt liquor and smoke pot ($389,357)

2: Solar panels for climbing gym in Colorado ($157,800)

1: Grant for one Massachusetts university for "robobees" (miniature flying robot bees) ($2 million)

GRAND TOTAL: $4,891,645,229

Obama and Democrats Push Fed Debt over $13 Trillion

by Tom McGregor Fri, Jun 4, 2010, 11:50 AM Does President Barack Obama, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D.-Ca.) or Senate Leader Harry Reid (R.-Nv.) have any intention of holding down the federal deficit bubble that has just surpassed the $13 trillion mark as of Tuesday? Of course not, but American voters can at least sweep Mrs. Pelosi and Mr. Reid out of power with the upcoming mid-term elections this November.

The Washington Times reports that, 'the federal government is now $13 trillion in the red, the Treasury Department reported Wednesday, marking the first time the government has sunk taht far into debt and putting a sharp point on the spending debate in Capitol Hill."

By calculating down to the last penny, the debt amounted to $13,050,826,460,886.97 as of Tuesday, surging nearly $60 billion since Friday, the previous day for which statistics were released.

The debt problem does not bode well for Obama if he faces any conflicts with China. Beijing is the largest holder of U.S. Treasury Securities. To pay for ObamaCare, same-sex benefits for federal government employees, future stimulus spending, payments to the United Nations, pork-barrel projects and other government waste projects, the president must placate to the China Communist Party.

And whose Chinese communist a$$ did bush kiss to fund the unnecessary Iraqi war? Just think of how that money could have been used to help our economy here at home and create jobs instead of killing 4000 soldiers. Or not borrowed at all and help reduce the debt.

It doesn't matter any more, that's already been done. Two wrongs don't make a right. Just because Bush didn't do what was right doesn't make it okay for Obama to follow in his footsteps. I am sick and tired of hearing about what Bush did from you. It's like a little kid who does wrong and when questioned by his mom says, "but, jeffy did it too, he did even worse than me." (whine) Obama is doing his own share of spending, and it is much more than any president we have ever had!!!!

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[pattygreen 5]

To pay for ObamaCare, same-sex benefits for federal government employees, future stimulus spending, payments to the United Nations, pork-barrel projects and other government waste projects, the president must placate to the China Communist Party.

But you will just ignore that post, I'm sure.

THIS IS OBAMA'S SPENDING!!!! $13 TRILLION!

[Cleo's Mom 257]

And whose Chinese communist a$$ did bush kiss to fund the unnecessary Iraqi war? Just think of how that money could have been used to help our economy here at home and create jobs instead of killing 4000 soldiers. Or not borrowed at all and help reduce the debt.

It doesn't matter any more, that's already been done. Two wrongs don't make a right. Just because Bush didn't do what was right doesn't make it okay for Obama to follow in his footsteps. I am sick and tired of hearing about what Bush did from you. It's like a little kid who does wrong and when questioned by his mom says, "but, jeffy did it too, he did even worse than me." (whine) Obama is doing his own share of spending, and it is much more than any president we have ever had!!!!

It doesn't matter anymore? :thumbup: This is typical conservative illogical thinking. Of course it matters because it is a BIG part of the current deficit that you neocons keep yapping about. And to make matter worse, it was totally unnecessary. Geez.

[Cleo's Mom 257]

One of LBT policies is NO name calling. If you can't be respectful to me, then I will not be conversing with you any longer.

WOW!! What hypocrisy!!! :thumbup: You have called me a racist a number of times. But I guess since a conservative did it - it doesn't count. That's the general consenses among the elected republicans - if they did something wrong it doesn't count or matter, it's only when the current democratic administration does it that it matters.

That's my first mantra: without hypocrisy the republicans would have nothing.

[Cleo's Mom 257]

To pay for ObamaCare, same-sex benefits for federal government employees, future stimulus spending, payments to the United Nations, pork-barrel projects and other government waste projects, the president must placate to the China Communist Party.

But you will just ignore that post, I'm sure.

THIS IS OBAMA'S SPENDING!!!! $13 TRILLION!

Healthcare is paid for, unlike bush's policies that took us from a surplus to a deficit - a fact that you keep ignoring.

And I know, there were never any payments to the UN, or pork barrel project or wasteful spending under bush. It all started under Pres. Obama. Oh, wait, it didn't - it just started to be criticized under Pres. Obama. :thumbup:

[Cleo's Mom 257]

I didn't ask who caused it, I asked why hasn't it been "fixed" by the republicans? When they had all the power why didn't they make a smaller government, reduce spending, reduce the deficit, cut programs, ad infinitum, ad nauseum?

Can you answer that? Because if you can't they why would you believe any of the tea party candidates who say THEY can? What makes them any different?

It's not about being different. It's about making promises that you can't keep. Like telling the people that there would be no more crazy spending and that everything he okays will have the peoples okay and will be published for every eye to see (transparency)and that pork spending will be eliminated, and then not keeping ONE bit of his Word. The list of waste is below and He has NOT stopped ANY of it!!!!!

Again, I ask you - why didn't the republicans, when they had the power, create a smaller government, cut the deficit, reduce spending and make program cuts?

This is the agenda they and the teabaggers are running on. Are they going to be able to keep these promises? Because so far, the conservative republicans haven't been able to do any of this during any of the times they held all the power in the last 50 years, most recently under bush.

So, if we're talking about keeping promises, why didn't the republicans when THEY had the chance? They're big talkers now. They would do this differently and that differently - well they had their chance for 8 years and they royally effed up this country.

It's going to take awhile to clean up, but progress is being made.