Health Care

[KartMan 58]

I bring it up to again highlight the hypocrisy of those who are "suddenly" concerned with the plight of this country and its president when for 8 years they didn't care what the worst president in american history did to bring this country to the brink of ruin.

And now we have a president cleaning up his messes and I am supposed to believe their outrage is genuine. NEVER.

Just to be fair, the economic crisis has been brewing for a long time and is not entirely Bush’s fault (keep in mind, I am not a fan of Bush). Our lousy standing with the world, the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and our crumbling infrastructure are certainly his fault but the economy is a little more complicated.

I would agree that the majority of the blame should go to him (Bush) for not keeping jobs here, letting the energy crises happen, wasting trillions of dollars on unnecessary wars, passing harmful tax cuts, and letting Wall Street deregulate to the point of complete anarchy. However, the roots of deregulation can be traced back to the Clinton Administration. Larry Summers (currently a key figure in Obama’s administration) and Robert Ruben started a lot of it when they halted the Glass Steagall Act of 1933 and other important regulatory protections. Obama should get rid of Summers (and Geithner because he is way too close to Wall Street) and really put in meaningful consumer protection and regulatory controls back in place.

[LarraineM 6]

Could be that over 60% of the population do want a public option,most polls agree of this.It could be the INSURANCE LOBBY is tossing around alot of dollars in Washington attempting to keep the status quo.Insuring the BIG profits in their pockets,Greed is rampant and THEY want to confuse the issue.Corruption will be the undoing of this country.............NOT TAXES

[GraciesMom 0]

Corruption will be the undoing of this country.............NOT TAXES

Yep, those damn politicians!:confused:

[Cleo's Mom 257]

Just to be fair, the economic crisis has been brewing for a long time and is not entirely Bush’s fault (keep in mind, I am not a fan of Bush). Our lousy standing with the world, the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and our crumbling infrastructure are certainly his fault but the economy is a little more complicated.

I would agree that the majority of the blame should go to him (Bush) for not keeping jobs here, letting the energy crises happen, wasting trillions of dollars on unnecessary wars, passing harmful tax cuts, and letting Wall Street deregulate to the point of complete anarchy. However, the roots of deregulation can be traced back to the Clinton Administration. Larry Summers (currently a key figure in Obama’s administration) and Robert Ruben started a lot of it when they halted the Glass Steagall Act of 1933 and other important regulatory protections. Obama should get rid of Summers (and Geithner because he is way too close to Wall Street) and really put in meaningful consumer protection and regulatory controls back in place.

My point wasn't that all of the roots of the economic downturn started with Bush. My point was that everything he did made everything worse. He didn't improve this country in any area in 8 years and the people just shrugged their shoulders and gave him a free pass (with a few anti-war demonstrations thrown in). Now, after only 10 months, they want Obama to have solved everything without spending a dime. It's just so phoney. And it's based on their hatred of Obama and their wish for him to fail.

I agree that we have to be as outspoken and supportive now as we were before we got him elected. I know I do my part. My two democratic senators hear from me and I do call my congressman but he's in lockstep with the republicans. I write letters to the editor, I attend these forums by my reps, and I am president of my local democratic club. I am very proactive.

But people fueled by hate, anger and the party of no who are opposed to everything will always be louder. And get the most media attention. Despite the fact that they are still in the minority.

I think there's talk of getting that Glass Steagall Act back (its repeal was introduced by Phil Gramm and Leach - both republicans but Clinton should never have signed it - a big mistake.)

[KartMan 58]

My point wasn't that all of the roots of the economic downturn started with Bush. My point was that everything he did made everything worse. He didn't improve this country in any area in 8 years and the people just shrugged their shoulders and gave him a free pass (with a few anti-war demonstrations thrown in). Now, after only 10 months, they want Obama to have solved everything without spending a dime. It's just so phoney. And it's based on their hatred of Obama and their wish for him to fail.

I agree that we have to be as outspoken and supportive now as we were before we got him elected. I know I do my part. My two democratic senators hear from me and I do call my congressman but he's in lockstep with the republicans. I write letters to the editor, I attend these forums by my reps, and I am president of my local democratic club. I am very proactive.

But people fueled by hate, anger and the party of no who are opposed to everything will always be louder. And get the most media attention. Despite the fact that they are still in the minority.

I think there's talk of getting that Glass Steagall Act back (its repeal was introduced by Phil Gramm and Leach - both republicans but Clinton should never have signed it - a big mistake.)

I agree with you on everything you said and commend you for your activism. It is important though for us to call out our own too or we are just as bad as the people that fell under the might of Bush/Cheney. That is one reason that I have said form the beginning that while I do support Obama, my support only goes as far as his ability to do what he was elected for. If he can’t get us out of these wars, pass health care, and re-regulate the financial industry then he will lose my support and should not expect to be re-elected.

Just to be clear though, I would much rather he be a one term president by getting trounced by the Republicans (because of doing the right thing) than form crumbling while in office and getting the boot via primary from the left.

[pattygreen 5]

Insurance is a voluntary contract in which I and the insurer estimates my risk and expense for particular adverse events and we agree on a price that I pay for the companies pledge to compensate me if these events occur.

The government promises an entitlement, decides how much it will cost and coerces beneficiaries to pay enough money to deliver it. Despite the masquerade of calling this insurance, it is stealing. It is wrong to do that. I am not sticking up for the ins. companies, I am defending my freedoms.

[pattygreen 5]

This HC bill should not pass because 1.) it expands government spending amidst rising unemployment and deficit concerns. 2.) it raises taxes 3.) it cuts medicare 4.) senators are being bribed to vote yes.

That last one takes the cake!!! Senator Mary Landrieu of Louisiana was bribed and "proud of it"! She claimed to have 'grave' concerns for its cost. Those 'grave concerns' became less pressing when Reid (a decietful democrat) added on page 432 federal medicaid subsides ($300 million worth) for "certain states recovering from major disasters" Guess which state is the only one to qualify? Talk about fraud and corruption. Liberal democrats in the WH make me sick!!!!

[pattygreen 5]

My hope is that the republicans will delay the bill well into 2010 when all the seats in the House and 1/3 of them in the Senate will be contested. Then we can make our case to the voters that the democrats took their focus off the economy and an unemployment rate that's above 10% in order to impose MORE spending amidst our deficit and unemployment concerns.

[pattygreen 5]

Why don't we limit male practice claims and enhance the ability of small businesses to buy insurance. People will be more comfortable with biting off what we can chew instead of the arrogance of thinking we can fix the whole system all at once.

Congress should repeal the balance of the last stimulus package and plow it into deficit reduction because it hasn't put enough Americans back to work!

Even Barney Frank stated that the public option is a stepping stone to a government run system. And Henry Waxman says the left will build on any form of public option once it's in place. So, when Obama says that you can keep your own ins. if you like, he deceives you. He lies! He knows that the public option would put all other ins. companies out of business over time, and then the government option would be the ONLY option. Tada! Socialism! His goal!!

[msrojacks 1]

Its sad that Because I am a republican, Who is an atheist, Who is against the Health Care Reform, that I am labeled either a racist or someone who wants Obama to Fail! I do not think this a sincere way of proving your point! Perhaps I will respect the opinions of democrats when they can not resort to "name-calling" and labeling.

To prove an example, There is a majority of younger people are mostly Democrates. The MTV generation if you will. Many of them do not own houses, Play video games all day, text while driving, and have their parents pay for the education. They vote for the Cooler choice. Should we be concerned that they are the ones Voting when they do not even know what a tax bill for a house looks like?

I was using that as an example. I know that all Democrates are not like that, so please stop labeling all republicans.

[pattygreen 5]

That's a good point. Thank you.

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Just 38% of voters now favor the health care plan proposed by President Obama and congressional Democrats. That’s the lowest level of support measured for the plan in nearly two dozen tracking polls conducted since June.

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[Cleo's Mom 257]

The greedy, obscene profit making health insurance industry is outspending the pro-healthcare ads by 2:1. When the truth about the healthcare reform is explained to people the vast majority support it with a public option.

It is not my job to advocate for the health insurance industry or worry about how much money they can gouge out of people or whether they will have to lower their premiums and clean up their act if they have to compete with a public option. Or whether they might go out of business if they refuse to. The public option is the only part of this bill that will allow for lower health care costs.

[msrojacks 1]

So the Health Coverage Industry doesnt have the right anymore to charge what they want? When did our country change, and we are not allowed to charge what they want. What next The cable company can not charge over 100 dollors for Cable, and the cell phone companies can not charge over 100 for plans? Interesting fact, more people pay for cable then they do Health insurance.

What about Car insurance. My insurance for my 2007 Ford with a clean drivers record is $167.00 a month? Should I let you pay for it since you want to take care of me so badly now. Can you pay my cable, College Bills, Cell phone, Mortage too? I dont want to pay for them anymore, but I know I am entitled to them, I mean look even Obama went to College for free!

[Cleo's Mom 257]

So the Health Coverage Industry doesnt have the right anymore to charge what they want? When did our country change, and we are not allowed to charge what they want. What next The cable company can not charge over 100 dollors for Cable, and the cell phone companies can not charge over 100 for plans? Interesting fact, more people pay for cable then they do Health insurance.

What about Car insurance. My insurance for my 2007 Ford with a clean drivers record is $167.00 a month? Should I let you pay for it since you want to take care of me so badly now. Can you pay my cable, College Bills, Cell phone, Mortage too? I dont want to pay for them anymore, but I know I am entitled to them, I mean look even Obama went to College for free!

The health insurance industry can charge what it wants because there is little to no competition. In many states only one or two insurance companies provide for the majority of the policies. That's a near monopoly and that never serves the public interest. When there is competition, prices go down. And the public option provides that competition.

If you believe you are paying too much for car insurance, cell phone or cable you are free to do research and switch to a more affordable plan. There's Geico, Allstate, Progressive, State Farm, Verizon, Comcast, Vonage, Sprint, etc.....All these companies compete with one another for your business and that helps keep costs down/lower. When there is no competiton then they control the market and can charge outrageous fees.

[pattygreen 5]

The health insurance industry can charge what it wants because there is little to no competition. In many states only one or two insurance companies provide for the majority of the policies. That's a near monopoly and that never serves the public interest. When there is competition, prices go down. And the public option provides that competition.

If you believe you are paying too much for car insurance, cell phone or cable you are free to do research and switch to a more affordable plan. There's Geico, Allstate, Progressive, State Farm, Verizon, Comcast, Vonage, Sprint, etc.....All these companies compete with one another for your business and that helps keep costs down/lower. When there is no competiton then they control the market and can charge outrageous fees.

If there's a public option out there that isn't looking to make a profit, how will the other insurance companies compete with it? They can't! When it is the less expensive plan out there, it will grab up all the clients, and this will cause the ins. companies to raise their premiums so they can make their pay outs for medical care, which in turn will eventually close their doors. Then the only option left is the government plan for all. So, in the long run, there will be NO option for the people.

You have yet to respond to this. We don't want the government in control of our medical decisions! When they close down all the ins. companies with their public option plan, they will be all we have left. How is that giving the American people a choice?!

Many have given the answer for competition between ins. companies. Open the competition between all the states. You can buy auto ins. from a company that's not within your state, why not medical ins.?

How about tort reform? Oh yeah,... Obama's campaign contributers were big time lawyers. He owes them.