Stop Calling it Socialized Medicine!

[pattygreen 5]

While black people certainly voted for Pres. Obama in record numbers, he could not have won with their numbers alone. It was white people who elected him. He had an enormous grass roots effort, of which I was part. There were only a few (less than 5) black people that I saw involved in his campaign in my area. The rest were white people of all ages.

And many who voted for McCain voted for him just because he was white. No other reason. But since there are more white people than black people in this country, why didn't McCain win? Because it was the white people who elected Obama with the help of the black voters.

I never said ONLY black people voted for him. Many, many, many white people shared the dream of having a black man reach the highest office in this country, myself included. I didn't vote based on his skin color though. IMO, As wonderful as it was to have the initial thrill of seeing that a black man could make it to be president, that was the only thrill that came from his election. It has given hope to all minorities that this country is more mature and stronger where the race issue is concerned. Hopefully his election will put that issue behind most of us now, but you shouldn't vote for someone to be President simply because you wanted that issue resolved or because you wanted to be a part of 'history', and I know ALOT of young college students and black people who never voted before who registered specifically because a black man was on the ballot. A group of black women that I work with at the convelescent home gathered and talked about Obama during the campaign on our breaks and openly shared that they didn't care about his experience, but they wanted a 'black' president. My own daughter registered for the first time JUST to vote for a black man, so don't tell me that he won because he was the most deserving candidate. If those numbers (the blacks and 18-25 age group) didn't get out and register especially for that historic election, Mccain would have had it. Even many white people voted for him because he was a black man and they wanted to see a black man reach the WH. Believe me, I wanted to see that, too. But, not at the expense of his policies or what he stood for.

[Cleo's Mom 257]

I never said ONLY black people voted for him. Many, many, many white people shared the dream of having a black man reach the highest office in this country, myself included. I didn't vote based on his skin color though. IMO, As wonderful as it was to have the initial thrill of seeing that a black man could make it to be president, that was the only thrill that came from his election. It has given hope to all minorities that this country is more mature and stronger where the race issue is concerned. Hopefully his election will put that issue behind most of us now, but you shouldn't vote for someone to be President simply because you wanted that issue resolved or because you wanted to be a part of 'history', and I know ALOT of young college students and black people who never voted before who registered specifically because a black man was on the ballot. A group of black women that I work with at the convelescent home gathered and talked about Obama during the campaign on our breaks and openly shared that they didn't care about his experience, but they wanted a 'black' president. My own daughter registered for the first time JUST to vote for a black man, so don't tell me that he won because he was the most deserving candidate. If those numbers (the blacks and 18-25 age group) didn't get out and register especially for that historic election, Mccain would have had it. Even many white people voted for him because he was a black man and they wanted to see a black man reach the WH. Believe me, I wanted to see that, too. But, not at the expense of his policies or what he stood for.

While more black people were motivated to register and get out to vote, black voters traditionally vote Democratic anyway. The white people who voted for Obama, I think, did so as a rejection of bush and his policies. I voted for Obama because he was the Democratic candidate. I would have voted for Hillary, Biden, whoever the democratic candidate was. Race and gender did not matter to me.

Those who chose not to vote for McCain did so because they didn't want another term of bush's policies and an air head for VP. Many who voted for him did so as an anti-black vote. No way were they voting for a black person. And I heard many people say that.

[IndioGirl55 32]

If they are soooooo wrong about everything, then why do most people watch them? They have the highest ratings because people will watch what they agree with. Looks like you're way of thinking is in the minority. When I turn on MSNBC or CNN, I can't agree with their liberal, stupid way of thinking and it makes me sick to watch them. "How can anyone think that way?" is all I can say while I view their stand on politics. Face it. Many more Americans are in agreement with what FOX news commentators have to say about our government than with the seemingly other liberal stations. So, I guess you are outnumbered. Could your views be wrong?

Patty

So I am stupid and make you sick if I am a democrate and don't believe the way that you do...

You don't even know me - you are going to base your opinion about me based on my political view points... No by the person I am..

Do you know the broadcasters on MSNBC or CNN personally to say that you hate them and they make you sick

Wasn't America founded on the principle of freedom of choice to belong to which ever party you have chosen to..

Does that make one party right over the other one - I don't think so..

You know what - I don't watch Fox news - cuz I don't agree with the majortiy of what they report and feel it slanted to their point of view - so I just don't watch - but I am not calling them names and thinking they are stupid for what they believe

I don't hate them or you for what you believe in - that's your right as an American

Obama is OUR PRESIDENT - the AMERICA People's President - Just like George Bush was My President too - he wasn't just the President of the Republican Party.

We survived Bush (well barely) You will survive Obama and in another 4 or 8 yrs someone will be bitching about who's in office then.

Same sad story - just another day...

I got more important crap to worry about - that's in my control - well what little control I have over the universe.. Like "I am not going to eat a bag of candy tonite" or will i go to the gym"...

It's too funny to read how wound up you all get over this stuff - when it's totally out of your hands and who know's how it's going to end up - gotta be a better solution than what we have - cuz that's aint working too well as it stands now..

Ya there may be some kinks along the way - but don't we have kinks in the system that we have now - but I guess it's better to know your kinks instead of not knowing - but in the end it's still a kink...

Stop and smell and enjoy the roses ....

The smelll doesn't change by who's in the White House.....

[pattygreen 5]

Patty

So I am stupid and make you sick if I am a democrate and don't believe the way that you do...

Did I say you were stupid? Please forgive me if I did, or you felt that I was calling you names. I went back and reread what I wrote, and I said that MSNBC and CNN commentators liberal views and their way of thinking were stupid. Not them personally.

You don't even know me - you are going to base your opinion about me based on my political view points... No by the person I am.

Do you know the broadcasters on MSNBC or CNN personally to say that you hate them and they make you sick

Wasn't America founded on the principle of freedom of choice to belong to which ever party you have chosen to..

Does that make one party right over the other one - I don't think so..There is deffinitly a right and a wrong to everything, if you believe in God's word, the bible. He has the answers to what is right and what is wrong written down for us. If you don't belive in God, then I guess 'right' or 'wrong' is whatever each individual deems so.

You know what - I don't watch Fox news - cuz I don't agree with the majortiy of what they report and feel it slanted to their point of view - so I just don't watch - but I am not calling them names and thinking they are stupid for what they believe

I don't hate them or you for what you believe in - that's your right as an American

Obama is OUR PRESIDENT - the AMERICA People's President - Just like George Bush was My President too - he wasn't just the President of the Republican Party.

And did I say he wasn't my president? He is my president, too. I just don't care for his agenda or policies or his associates.

We survived Bush (well barely) You will survive Obama and in another 4 or 8 yrs someone will be bitching about who's in office then.

Same sad story - just another day...

I got more important crap to worry about - that's in my control - well what little control I have over the universe.. Like "I am not going to eat a bag of candy tonite" or will i go to the gym"...

It's too funny to read how wound up you all get over this stuff - when it's totally out of your hands and who know's how it's going to end up - gotta be a better solution than what we have - cuz that's aint working too well as it stands now..

Ya there may be some kinks along the way - but don't we have kinks in the system that we have now - but I guess it's better to know your kinks instead of not knowing - but in the end it's still a kink...

Stop and smell and enjoy the roses ....

The smelll doesn't change by who's in the White House.....

This is adebate on politics, we're supposed to talk here.

[IndioGirl55 32]

This is adebate on politics, we're supposed to talk here.

No You didn't call me stupid - but you call pple who don't think like you stupid - that's the point.

Bible and Politic's - OMW - There is a dangerous match... No winners there.. And I don't think the bible has a section about health insurance.

Have at it - it's just so funny to read all your post - how seriously pissed off and angry you all get... Have fun :0)

[KartMan 58]

Those who chose not to vote for McCain did so because they didn't want another term of bush's policies and an air head for VP. Many who voted for him did so as an anti-black vote. No way were they voting for a black person. And I heard many people say that.

Or maybe they were terrified of Palin being a 72 year old heartbeat away from the Presidency.

[KartMan 58]

I for one wish we could do away with labels and focus more on issues. I supported Obama in the election and for the most part think he has done a great job so far considering the colossal mess we were in to begin with. But I will not for a second give him a pass just because I agree with him on some things, because he is a democrat, or because he is black. See Patty, I have disagreements with him as well, but they are just not the same issues as yours. Here are a few things I would like him to focus on.

1) Get Health Care passed (I wish we could have Single Payer, but I will settle for a Government Option)

2) Get us out of Iraq and Afghanistan

3) Become an honest broker in the Middle East (stop being subservient to Israel)

4) Close Guantanamo

5) Repeal DOMA and Don’t Ask Don’t Tell

6) Make significant strides in alternative energy

7) Stop being the World’s Police Force. If the rest of the world doesn’t want to pay for the world’s wars why should we? Most of Europe has Universal Health Care right now partly because they spend a tiny fraction of their GDP on the military whereas we spend more than the rest of the world combined.

8) Pass real election reform. Make national elections publicly funded and get ALL special interest out of the pockets of candidates.

9) Stop picking and choosing which petty dictators to prop up. Why do we allow the atrocities of the Egyptians and the Saudis yet despise Iran, Cuba, and Venezuela? If one is bad, they are all bad. If one doesn’t feel our wrath, none should.

[Cleo's Mom 257]

I for one wish we could do away with labels and focus more on issues. I supported Obama in the election and for the most part think he has done a great job so far considering the colossal mess we were in to begin with. But I will not for a second give him a pass just because I agree with him on some things, because he is a democrat, or because he is black. See Patty, I have disagreements with him as well, but they are just not the same issues as yours. Here are a few things I would like him to focus on.

1) Get Health Care passed (I wish we could have Single Payer, but I will settle for a Government Option)

2) Get us out of Iraq and Afghanistan

3) Become an honest broker in the Middle East (stop being subservient to Israel)

4) Close Guantanamo

5) Repeal DOMA and Don’t Ask Don’t Tell

6) Make significant strides in alternative energy

7) Stop being the World’s Police Force. If the rest of the world doesn’t want to pay for the world’s wars why should we? Most of Europe has Universal Health Care right now partly because they spend a tiny fraction of their GDP on the military whereas we spend more than the rest of the world combined.

8) Pass real election reform. Make national elections publicly funded and get ALL special interest out of the pockets of candidates.

9) Stop picking and choosing which petty dictators to prop up. Why do we allow the atrocities of the Egyptians and the Saudis yet despise Iran, Cuba, and Venezuela? If one is bad, they are all bad. If one doesn’t feel our wrath, none should.

Well, said, Kartman, and to that I would add - stop trying to reach out to republicans who obviously have no intention of working with this president on anything and whose main goal is that he fail so that they can rise to power again. Alan Grayson got it right when he said that if Obama had a BLT, the next day the republicans would try to outlaw pork. Concentrate on kicking some democratic butt - especially those who got into office with the help of progressives.

Bush got his huge tax cut to the rich passed four months after he was in office. This and the two wars took a surplus into a deficit. Did you see any protestors, angry mobs at town halls, calls for congressional hearing etc..because of this? .NO. Ditto with the trillion dollar part D drug plan. Just pushed it through, no media debate before or after.

And now, all of a sudden we are supposed to believe that the outrage has to do with spending and deficits when it really has to do with anti-Obama sentiment and wanting him to fail.

[KartMan 58]

I started to jump back into this topic but found myself digressing to Antiwar stuff, so I started another thread for that.

http://www.lapbandtalk.com/f80/should-we-have-draft-105697/

[pattygreen 5]

A friend sent me this. It's quite lengthy, but an eye-opener. Please read.

Really now, Did it Matter?

The Fundamental Transformation of America

When Obama wrote a book and said he was

mentored as a youth by Frank,

(Frank Marshall Davis) an avowed Communist,

people said it didn't matter.

When it was discovered that his grandparents,

were strong socialist,

sent Obama's mother to a socialist school,

introduced Frank Marshall Davis to young Obama,

People said it didn't matter.

When people found out that he was

enrolled as a Muslim child in school and his

father and step father were both Muslims,

people said it didn't matter.

When he wrote in another book he

authored “I will stand with them (Muslims)

should the political winds shift

in an ugly direction.”

people said it didn't matter.

When he admittedly, in his book,

said he chose Marxist friends

and professors in college,

people said it didn't matter.

When he traveled to Pakistan ,

after college on an unknown

national passport,

people said it didn't matter.

When he sought the endorsement of the

Marxist party in 1996 as he ran

for the Illinois Senate,

people said it doesn't matter.

When he sat in a Chicago Church

for twenty years and listened to a preacher

spew hatred for America and

preach black liberation theology,

people said it didn't matter.

When an independent Washington organization,

that tracks senate voting records, gave him

the distinctive title as the "most liberal senator",

people said it didn't matter.

When the Palestinians in Gaza ,

set up a fund raising telethon

to raise money for his election campaign,

people said it didn't matter.

When his voting record

supported gun control,

people said it didn't matter.

When he refused to disclose who

donated money to his election campaign,

as other candidates had done,

people said it didn't matter.

When he received endorsements from

people like Louis Farrakhan and

Mummar Kadaffi and Hugo Chavez,

people said it didn't matter.

When it was pointed out that he was

a total, newcomer and had absolutely

no experience at anything except

community organizing,

people said it didn't matter.

When he chose friends and acquaintances

such as Bill Ayers and Bernadine Dohrn

who were revolutionary radicals,

people said it didn't matter.

When his voting record in the Illinois

senate and in the U.S. Senate

came into question,

people said it didn't matter.

When he refused to wear a flag,

lapel pin and did so only

after a public outcry,

people said it didn't matter.

When people started treating him as

a Messiah and children in schools

were taught to sing his praises,

people said it didn't matter.

When he stood with his hands over

his groin area for the playing of the

National Anthem and Pledge of Allegiance,

people said it didn't matter.

When he surrounded himself in the White house

with advisors who were pro gun control, pro

abortion, pro homosexual marriage and wanting to

curtail freedom of speech to silence the opposition

people said it didn't matter.

When he aired his views on abortion,

homosexuality and a

host of other issues,

people said it didn't matter.

When he said he favors

sex education in Kindergarten,

including homosexual indoctrination,

people said it didn't matter.

When his background was either

scrubbed or hidden and nothing

could be found about him,

people said it didn't matter.

When the place of his birth

was called into question,

and he refused to produce a birth certificate,

people said it didn't matter.

When he had an association in Chicago

with Tony Rezco, a man of questionable character,

who is now in prison and had helped Obama

to a sweet deal on the purchase of his home,

people said it didn't matter.

When it became known that George Soros,

a multi-billionaire Marxist,

spent a ton of money to get him elected,

people said it didn't matter.

When he started appointing czars

that were radicals, revolutionaries,

and even avowed Marxist/Communist,

people said it didn't matter.

When he stood before the nation

and told us that his intentions were to

"fundamentally transform this nation"

into something else,

people said it didn't matter.

When it became known that he had

trained ACORN workers in Chicago

and served as an attorney for ACORN,

people said it didn't matter.

When he appointed a cabinet members

and several advisors who were

tax cheats and socialist,

people said it didn't matter.

When he appointed a science czar, John Holdren,

who believes in forced abortions, mass

sterilizations and seizing babies from teen mothers,

people said it didn't matter.

When he appointed Cass Sunstein as regulatory

czar and he believes in "Explicit Consent",

harvesting human organs with out family consent,

and to allow animals to be represented in court,

while banning all hunting,

people said it didn't matter.

When he appointed Kevin Jennings, a homosexual,

and organizer of a group called gay, lesbian, straight,

Education network, as safe school czar and it became known

that he had a history of bad advice to teenagers,

people said it didn't matter.

When he appointed Mark Lloyd as diversity czar

and he believed in curtailing free speech,

taking from one and giving to another to spread

the wealth and admires Hugo Chavez,

people said it didn't matter.

When Valerie Jarrett was selected as Obama's

senior White House advisor and she is an

avowed Socialist,

people said it didn't matter.

When Anita Dunn, White House Communications director

said Mao Tse Tung was her favorite philosopher

and the person she turned to most for inspiration,

people said it didn't matter.

When he appointed Carol Browner as global warming

czar, and she is a well known socialist working

on Cap and trade as the nations largest tax,

people said it doesn't matter.

When he appointed Van Jones, an ex-con and

avowed Communist as green energy czar,

who since had to resign when this was made known,

people said it didn't matter.

When Tom Daschle, Obama's pick for health

and human services secretary could not be

confirmed, because he was a tax cheat,

people said it didn't matter.

When as president of the United States ,

he bowed to the King of Saudi Arabia,

people said it didn't matter.

When he traveled around the world

criticizing America and never once

talking of her greatness,

people said it didn't matter.

When his actions concerning the middle-east

seemed to support the Palestinians

over Israel , our long time friend,

People said it doesn't matter.

When he took American tax dollars to

resettle thousands of Palestinians

from Gaza to the United States ,

people said it doesn't matter.

When he upset the Europeans by

removing plans for a missile defense system

against the Russians,

People said it doesn't matter.

When he played politics in Afghanistan by

not sending troops the Field Commanders

said we had to have to win,

people said it didn't matter.

When he started spending us into a debt

that was so big

we could not pay it off,

people said it didn't matter.

When he took a huge spending bill

under the guise of stimulus

and used it to pay off organizations,

unions and individuals

that got him elected,

people said it didn't matter.

When he took over insurance companies,

car companies, banks, etc.

people said it didn't matter.

When he took away student loans

from the banks and put it

through the government,

people said it didn't matter.

When he designed plans to take over

the health care system

and put it under government control,

people said it didn't matter.

When he set into motion a plan

to take over the control of all

energy in the United States

through Cap and Trade,

people said it didn't matter.

When he finally completed his

transformation of America

into a Socialist State ,

people finally woke up........

but it was too late.

Any one of these things, in and of themselves does not really matter. But.... when you add them up one by one you get a phenomenal score that points to the fact that our Obama is determined to make America over into a Marxist/Socialist society. All of the items in the preceding paragraphs have been put into place. All can be documented very easily. Before you disavow this, do an internet search. The last paragraph alone is not yet cast in stone. You and I will write that paragraph. Will it read as above or will it be a more happy ending for most of America ? Personally, I like happy endings.

If you are an Obama Supporter, please do not be angry with me because I think your president is a socialist but there are too many facts supporting this. If you seek the truth you will be richer for it. Don't just belittle the opposition. Search for the truth. I did. Democrats, Republicans, Independents, Constitutionalist, Libertarians and what have you, we all need to pull together. We all must pull together or watch the demise of a society that we all love and cherish. If you are a religious person, pray for our nation.

Never before in the history of America have we been confronted with problems so huge that the very existence of our country is in jeopardy. Don't rely on most television news and what you read in the newspapers for the truth. Search the internet. Yes, there is a lot of bad information, lies and distortions there too but you are smart enough to spot the fallacies. Newspapers are a dying breed. They are currently seeking a bailout from the government. Do you really think they are about to print the truth? Obama praises all the television news networks except Fox who he has waged war against. There must be a reason. He does not call them down on any specifics, just a general battle against them. If they lie, he should call them out on it but he doesn't. Please, find the truth, it will set you free.

Our biggest enemy is not China , Russia , Iran ; no, our biggest enemy is a contingent of politicians in Washington DC .

[pattygreen 5]

And now, all of a sudden we are supposed to believe that the outrage has to do with spending and deficits when it really has to do with anti-Obama sentiment and wanting him to fail.

So, you see from my above post that it's NOT about wanting him to fail, but about him wanting America to fail!

[Cleo's Mom 257]

A friend sent me this. It's quite lengthy, but an eye-opener. Please read.

Really now, Did it Matter?

The Fundamental Transformation of America

When Obama wrote a book and said he was

mentored as a youth by Frank,

(Frank Marshall Davis) an avowed Communist,

people said it didn't matter.

When it was discovered that his grandparents,

were strong socialist,

sent Obama's mother to a socialist school,

introduced Frank Marshall Davis to young Obama,

People said it didn't matter.

When people found out that he was

enrolled as a Muslim child in school and his

father and step father were both Muslims,

people said it didn't matter.

When he wrote in another book he

authored “I will stand with them (Muslims)

should the political winds shift

in an ugly direction.”

people said it didn't matter.

When he admittedly, in his book,

said he chose Marxist friends

and professors in college,

people said it didn't matter.

When he traveled to Pakistan ,

after college on an unknown

national passport,

people said it didn't matter.

When he sought the endorsement of the

Marxist party in 1996 as he ran

for the Illinois Senate,

people said it doesn't matter.

When he sat in a Chicago Church

for twenty years and listened to a preacher

spew hatred for America and

preach black liberation theology,

people said it didn't matter.

When an independent Washington organization,

that tracks senate voting records, gave him

the distinctive title as the "most liberal senator",

people said it didn't matter.

When the Palestinians in Gaza ,

set up a fund raising telethon

to raise money for his election campaign,

people said it didn't matter.

When his voting record

supported gun control,

people said it didn't matter.

When he refused to disclose who

donated money to his election campaign,

as other candidates had done,

people said it didn't matter.

When he received endorsements from

people like Louis Farrakhan and

Mummar Kadaffi and Hugo Chavez,

people said it didn't matter.

When it was pointed out that he was

a total, newcomer and had absolutely

no experience at anything except

community organizing,

people said it didn't matter.

When he chose friends and acquaintances

such as Bill Ayers and Bernadine Dohrn

who were revolutionary radicals,

people said it didn't matter.

When his voting record in the Illinois

senate and in the U.S. Senate

came into question,

people said it didn't matter.

When he refused to wear a flag,

lapel pin and did so only

after a public outcry,

people said it didn't matter.

When people started treating him as

a Messiah and children in schools

were taught to sing his praises,

people said it didn't matter.

When he stood with his hands over

his groin area for the playing of the

National Anthem and Pledge of Allegiance,

people said it didn't matter.

When he surrounded himself in the White house

with advisors who were pro gun control, pro

abortion, pro homosexual marriage and wanting to

curtail freedom of speech to silence the opposition

people said it didn't matter.

When he aired his views on abortion,

homosexuality and a

host of other issues,

people said it didn't matter.

When he said he favors

sex education in Kindergarten,

including homosexual indoctrination,

people said it didn't matter.

When his background was either

scrubbed or hidden and nothing

could be found about him,

people said it didn't matter.

When the place of his birth

was called into question,

and he refused to produce a birth certificate,

people said it didn't matter.

When he had an association in Chicago

with Tony Rezco, a man of questionable character,

who is now in prison and had helped Obama

to a sweet deal on the purchase of his home,

people said it didn't matter.

When it became known that George Soros,

a multi-billionaire Marxist,

spent a ton of money to get him elected,

people said it didn't matter.

When he started appointing czars

that were radicals, revolutionaries,

and even avowed Marxist/Communist,

people said it didn't matter.

When he stood before the nation

and told us that his intentions were to

"fundamentally transform this nation"

into something else,

people said it didn't matter.

When it became known that he had

trained ACORN workers in Chicago

and served as an attorney for ACORN,

people said it didn't matter.

When he appointed a cabinet members

and several advisors who were

tax cheats and socialist,

people said it didn't matter.

When he appointed a science czar, John Holdren,

who believes in forced abortions, mass

sterilizations and seizing babies from teen mothers,

people said it didn't matter.

When he appointed Cass Sunstein as regulatory

czar and he believes in "Explicit Consent",

harvesting human organs with out family consent,

and to allow animals to be represented in court,

while banning all hunting,

people said it didn't matter.

When he appointed Kevin Jennings, a homosexual,

and organizer of a group called gay, lesbian, straight,

Education network, as safe school czar and it became known

that he had a history of bad advice to teenagers,

people said it didn't matter.

When he appointed Mark Lloyd as diversity czar

and he believed in curtailing free speech,

taking from one and giving to another to spread

the wealth and admires Hugo Chavez,

people said it didn't matter.

When Valerie Jarrett was selected as Obama's

senior White House advisor and she is an

avowed Socialist,

people said it didn't matter.

When Anita Dunn, White House Communications director

said Mao Tse Tung was her favorite philosopher

and the person she turned to most for inspiration,

people said it didn't matter.

When he appointed Carol Browner as global warming

czar, and she is a well known socialist working

on Cap and trade as the nations largest tax,

people said it doesn't matter.

When he appointed Van Jones, an ex-con and

avowed Communist as green energy czar,

who since had to resign when this was made known,

people said it didn't matter.

When Tom Daschle, Obama's pick for health

and human services secretary could not be

confirmed, because he was a tax cheat,

people said it didn't matter.

When as president of the United States ,

he bowed to the King of Saudi Arabia,

people said it didn't matter.

When he traveled around the world

criticizing America and never once

talking of her greatness,

people said it didn't matter.

When his actions concerning the middle-east

seemed to support the Palestinians

over Israel , our long time friend,

People said it doesn't matter.

When he took American tax dollars to

resettle thousands of Palestinians

from Gaza to the United States ,

people said it doesn't matter.

When he upset the Europeans by

removing plans for a missile defense system

against the Russians,

People said it doesn't matter.

When he played politics in Afghanistan by

not sending troops the Field Commanders

said we had to have to win,

people said it didn't matter.

When he started spending us into a debt

that was so big

we could not pay it off,

people said it didn't matter.

When he took a huge spending bill

under the guise of stimulus

and used it to pay off organizations,

unions and individuals

that got him elected,

people said it didn't matter.

When he took over insurance companies,

car companies, banks, etc.

people said it didn't matter.

When he took away student loans

from the banks and put it

through the government,

people said it didn't matter.

When he designed plans to take over

the health care system

and put it under government control,

people said it didn't matter.

When he set into motion a plan

to take over the control of all

energy in the United States

through Cap and Trade,

people said it didn't matter.

When he finally completed his

transformation of America

into a Socialist State ,

people finally woke up........

but it was too late.

Any one of these things, in and of themselves does not really matter. But.... when you add them up one by one you get a phenomenal score that points to the fact that our Obama is determined to make America over into a Marxist/Socialist society. All of the items in the preceding paragraphs have been put into place. All can be documented very easily. Before you disavow this, do an internet search. The last paragraph alone is not yet cast in stone. You and I will write that paragraph. Will it read as above or will it be a more happy ending for most of America ? Personally, I like happy endings.

If you are an Obama Supporter, please do not be angry with me because I think your president is a socialist but there are too many facts supporting this. If you seek the truth you will be richer for it. Don't just belittle the opposition. Search for the truth. I did. Democrats, Republicans, Independents, Constitutionalist, Libertarians and what have you, we all need to pull together. We all must pull together or watch the demise of a society that we all love and cherish. If you are a religious person, pray for our nation.

Never before in the history of America have we been confronted with problems so huge that the very existence of our country is in jeopardy. Don't rely on most television news and what you read in the newspapers for the truth. Search the internet. Yes, there is a lot of bad information, lies and distortions there too but you are smart enough to spot the fallacies. Newspapers are a dying breed. They are currently seeking a bailout from the government. Do you really think they are about to print the truth? Obama praises all the television news networks except Fox who he has waged war against. There must be a reason. He does not call them down on any specifics, just a general battle against them. If they lie, he should call them out on it but he doesn't. Please, find the truth, it will set you free.

Our biggest enemy is not China , Russia , Iran ; no, our biggest enemy is a contingent of politicians in Washington DC .

THIS IS WHAT IS VERY SCARY AND WHAT IS THE BIGGEST THREAT TO AMERICA!!

Story Updated.

"Trawling for assassins": Evangelical nuts want Obama dead

by kat68

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Tue Nov 17, 2009 at 09:38:22 PM PST

Tonight, Rachel Maddow aired a bonechilling interview with former fundamentalist leader Frank Schaeffer in which Schaeffer accuses evangelical zealots and far-right wing nuts of formenting violence against our president.

This new "American Taliban," Schaeffer says, is essentially "trawling for assassins," using coded, Biblical language in hopes of inciting some lunatic to kill the president.

Apologies in advance for the quick and dirty diary, but I found this interview so deeply disturbing, I wanted to share it with the Daily Kos community.

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Rachel's interview was sparked by a Christian Science Monitor story, "Biblical anti-Obama slogan: Use of Psalm 109:8 funny or sinister?

The story's lead:

There’s a new slogan making its way onto car bumpers and across the Internet. It reads simply: "Pray for Obama: Psalm 109:8"

A nice sentiment?

Maybe not.

The psalm reads, "Let his days be few; and let another take his office."

Presidential criticism through witty slogans is nothing new. Bumper stickers, t-shirts, and hats with "1/20/09" commemorated President Bush’s last day in office.

But the verse immediately following the psalm referenced is a bit more ominous: "Let his children be fatherless, and his wife a widow."

I did some Googling and this slogan is available on t-shirts, on bumper stickers, on coffee cups, on just about any merchandise you can think of. And while some find humor in this, Schaeffer sees grave danger.

A partial transcription of Schaeffer's comments:

The situation that I find genuinely frightening right now is that you have a ramping up of Biblical language, language from the anti-abortion movement, for instance, death panels

and this sort of thing, and what it's coalescing into is branding Obama as Hitler...as something foreign to our shores, we're reminded of that he's born in Kenya, as brown, as black, above all, as not us.

He is Sarah Palin's "not a real American." But now it turns out that he joins the ranks of the unjust kings of ancient Israel, unjust rulers to which all these Biblical allusions are directed, who should be slaughtered, if not by God, then by just men.

So there's a direct

parallel here with Timothy McVeigh's t-shirt on the day of the Oklahoma City bombing in which he said the tree of liberty had to be watered occasionly by the blood of tyrants

.

And that quote we saw again at a meeting at which Obama was present being carried on a placard by someone carrying a loaded weapon.

Schaeffer says this Biblical sloganeering, combined with a daily diet of hyped-up scaremongering from right wing outlets like Fox, is tantamount to "trawling for assasins."

This is serious business. It's unAmerican, it's unpatriotic and it goes to show that the religious right, the Republican far right, have coalesced into a group that truly wants revolution and if it turns out to be blood in the streets, so be it.

Schaeffer stresses that these messages shouldn't be dismissed, especially in light of the fact the threat level against Obama is 400 percent higher than at any other time in 52 years.

This bumper sticker simply says to them, 'It's open season.'

Schaeffer notes that no one in the GOP leadership or the evangelical community is doing anything to tamp down on this rhetoric...this from a community that routinely denounces Islamic leaders for not speaking out more forcefully against terrorism. "Where the hell are you?" he asks. "And be it on your head if something happens to our president...Until they speak out, they're culpable."

I urge you to watch this interview in full to truly understand what our president is up against, and to heed Schaeffer's final plea:

Obama supporters had better start speaking up in support of him and not sniping at him all of the time because he's not moving towards change as fast as we'd like in every area. This is serious stuff. The chips are down, he has real enemies--some of them are violent--and as far as I'm concerned it's time to support our president, stand with him and not only wish him the best, but pray for his safety in the face of these religious maniacs....There are not many steps left on this insane path.

When Democrats spoke out about bush the republicans screamed: "How dare you criticize our president at a time of war and when he is on foreign soil. This is un-American and gives comfort to our enemies."

But apparently it is okay for cheney and other republicans to criticize Pres. Obama for everything from bowing (as did Eisenhower & Nixon and Bush kissed and held hands with the Saudi prince - the country from which the 9/11 terrorists came) to swatting a fly.

[pattygreen 5]

The psalm you pointed out (109)is a psalm about a man who loves God and is appealing to him to deliver him from false accusers. It has nothing at all to do with asking God to kill an enemy of his. The person who chose to use verse 8 out of that chapter chose ONLY that verse, because it was a fitting sentence for what he wanted to portray, which was : May Obamas days be few and may another president get reelected when his 1st term is finally over. The verse after it had nothing to do with what he was trying to portray, so looking it up and 'adding' it to his verse was 'digging ', IMO, to find some other motive that would make him look evil. Oh brother!

The bowing down and the fly thing you talked about are deffinitely petty, to say the least, but the rest of the facts I posted are pretty SERIOUS. And, they are not so much "criticizms" like you say, as they are "matter of facts". His past and present associations are documented and proven, his own books and statements in them can be read. Everything I posted there can be verified. One fact of itself is probably nothing, but when you put them ALL together, you end up with a man with a socialistic, Marxist agenda who sat under an Anti- American pastor's teachings for 20 years and wouldn't put his hand over his heart at the singing of the National anthem or wear a flag lapel pin until there was a public outcry!

[Cleo's Mom 257]

The psalm you pointed out (109)is a psalm about a man who loves God and is appealing to him to deliver him from false accusers. It has nothing at all to do with asking God to kill an enemy of his. The person who chose to use verse 8 out of that chapter chose ONLY that verse, because it was a fitting sentence for what he wanted to portray, which was : May Obamas days be few and may another president get reelected when his 1st term is finally over. The verse after it had nothing to do with what he was trying to portray, so looking it up and 'adding' it to his verse was 'digging ', IMO, to find some other motive that would make him look evil. Oh brother!

The bowing down and the fly thing you talked about are deffinitely petty, to say the least, but the rest of the facts I posted are pretty SERIOUS. And, they are not so much "criticizms" like you say, as they are "matter of facts". His past and present associations are documented and proven, his own books and statements in them can be read. Everything I posted there can be verified. One fact of itself is probably nothing, but when you put them ALL together, you end up with a man with a socialistic, Marxist agenda who sat under an Anti- American pastor's teachings for 20 years and wouldn't put his hand over his heart at the singing of the National anthem or wear a flag lapel pin until there was a public outcry!

Hand over the heart during the national anthem? Pres. Obama has and hasn't done it. It is not required and in modern times a choice. Flag pin? Who cares? McCain doesn't wear one but Jay Leno has since 9/11 and I wouldn't want either one for president.

I wish Obama had the powers you credit him. If he were so powerful we would already have a socialist takeover of the healthcare system. That's called Medicare for all and Pres. Obama has not championed for that. He does support a public option. So do I. So does the majority of Americans.

Timothy McVeigh thought of the government as the enemy - he was an American Taliban of sorts - setting out to attack and kill innocent Americans to retaliate against the "evil" government. Poplawski, who killed 3 police officers because he thought Obama was going to take away his guns - thought of him and the goverment as the enemy, too.

Militias are springing up all over the country. Hiding out in the woods, in camoflage, armed to the teeth, using the military pledge, except eliminating the part where they say they will obey their commander in chief, the president. These people have lost a sense of reality. And they are dangerous.

Sarah Palin tried to portray him (and still does) as "not one of us, someone who pals around with terrorists". The unhinged on the right have been spreading lies about Obama since he became a candidate. The sane American people rejected this and voted overwhelmingly for him.

Continue to believe what you want, but as the republican party becomes smaller and far more conservative, it has to become louder and more radical to be heard.

Sane, rational, thinking people see right through it. And so do I.

[KartMan 58]

Sane, rational, thinking people see right through it. And so do I.

So how long have you been insane, irrational and thoughtless? J/K, you know I love your posts :thumbup: