Octuplets and SIX other children??!!!

[Band_Groupie 3]

I'm not one to judge others without knowing them/all the facts, but this one burned me!!! I watched the announcements of the Octuplets being born, and thought; well it must have happened due to follicle stimulation because no Dr. would do invitro with 8 or more embryos. Yesterday I watched as the experts gave their opinions with the same conclusion I came to. There was no way any of them would have done invitro with that many eggs and they would turn someone away who wanted that, so they also felt it must have been egg stimulation that caused this.

Now this morning I learn that the mother, who is currently living at home with her mother, already has six children (we know nothing about the father)!!!! And here's the kicker...it WAS invitro!!!! Holy Cow!!! I get that there are crazy people out there, so I'm writing the mom off as nuts, but what the heck happened to regulating and having rules about ethics for this for the Drs.??!! What's next...cloning? Know that I have family members and friends that have been helped by fertility specialists, so I know the benefit in using one, but this guy crossed the line. Just MO.

[gone 4 ever 6]

I was floored when I heard she has 6 other children. Why if you already have 6 would you want invertro? When I was little I actually wanted 12 kids. I wanted 6 of my own and to adopt the other 6. But reality set in when I got married and started having kids. I still think adoption is a good way to go. So if you have 6 and want more why not adopt? Or become a foster parent. This is MHO.

[green 6]

Some women collect shoes, some collect jewellery, and some collect babies, I guess...... I personally think that there should be moderation in all things.

[Band_Groupie 3]

Yeah, I guess after I heard all the docs describe all the bad statistics and how steeply they go up with each additional child you carry (death, lifelong medical problems) it just made me feel the doc that did this was totally irresponsible (the docs I heard only implant 3-4 max) and I couldn't believe they aren't self-regulating this.

[BethFromVA 5]

Okay, um, WHY would a woman who's living at home with HER mother even GET invitro??? Just on those facts alone, that is the height of irresponsibility.

So who is paying for them, US?????

[luluc 6]

i had a few failed attempts @IVF & dh and i just decided that kids weren't going to be in our future - so we just stopped. if we really wanted a kid - adoption was an option; we just decided that our life was fine the way it was.

that said - i am SHOCKED that she was able to be implanted. our facility was regulated the way our countries financial industry should have been. i am amazed, really i am.

the financial / personal screening that took place was tougher than applying for a mortgage, which i had no problem with. how this woman got past such is more the issue i have.

i find her selfish, especially if she can not support the 6 she already had - but thats' MO. i think a good hard look at the fertility facility who implanted her deserves a good investigation.

[BethFromVA 5]

Oh, and mom filed for bankruptcy a year-and-a-half ago.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/01/30/earlyshow/health/main4764432.shtml

[green 6]

That is utterly f**ked up! That woman is whacked!!

[Band_Groupie 3]

the financial / personal screening that took place was tougher than applying for a mortgage, which i had no problem with. how this woman got past such is more the issue i have.

i find her selfish, especially if she can not support the 6 she already had - but thats' MO. i think a good hard look at the fertility facility who implanted her deserves a good investigation.

luluc- Yeah I remember one of our good friends going through invitro and they said it was extensive. I was going to say I don't know that she wasn't supporting the kids (and maybe her Mom too) but then I saw...

Oh, and mom filed for bankruptcy a year-and-a-half ago.

Octuplets' Family Filed For Bankruptcy, Source: Also Abandoned A House; L.A. Times: Mom Had Embryos Implanted; Ethicist Blasts Clinic That Did - CBS News

WTF? I remember my friends telling me how much invitro costs...a year and a half is longer than 9 months of gestation...so that's where my tax dollars are going!!!

That is utterly f**ked up! That woman is whacked!!

I don't think anyone would argue that...I'll agree the docs are too!! I hope this leads to some regulation.

[BethFromVA 5]

The thing is, nobody knows yet how she did it. It was said she COULD have done it herself with hormone stimulation or some such thing. People all over the US are asking how any doctor worth his salt would implant SO MANY embryos into a woman who already has six kids!

But if she's living with mom (and dad is MIA) then I can't help but wonder who the HELL is paying for all this??? Then I see that it's California and just go, hmmmm.

Could you imagine? Fourteen kids, all seven years old and younger.

[Band_Groupie 3]

All the TV news stories I saw said the grandmother issued a statement saying her daughter was implanted through invitro and made the decision not to selectively terminate any of them, not in those words. How does the hospital who has been helping her since her third month not have the full story? I'm sure they know and it will all come out in the end. Hmmm...

[BethFromVA 5]

All the TV news stories I saw said the grandmother issued a statement saying her daughter was implanted through invitro and made the decision not to selectively terminate any of them, not in those words. How does the hospital who has been helping her since her third month not have the full story? I'm sure they know and it will all come out in the end. Hmmm...

Yes, I just found a story on FOX that said that. And that she works at a fertility clinic!

FOXNews.com - Reports Cast Octuplets' Mother in Less-Flattering Light - Local News | News Articles | National News | US News

[TQUAD64 9]

This is wrong on so many levels. It is hard fathom what the medical doctors were thinking of when they did this medical procedure on this woman.

Six children already and 8 more. Not that having a lot of children is wrong. Not being able to support the children you already have and then adding 8 more is wrong. If you cannot afford 6 how will you afford 8. :redface:

Let's hope that the grandfather come back from Iraq unijured, because this family will be screwed if they don't have him for their support system.

[heartfire 4]

Very strange situation. I don't know who did the IVF, tho Kaiser might be doing it now, they weren't 5 yrs ago when we went through it. We had to go outside and self-pay.

I know in our situation, our doctor was considering implanting all of our embryos. (Pretty rare for him as he normally doesn't implant more than 4.) Our odds were pretty pitiful and we had 7 embryos. We lost 3 overnight before implantation. We implanted 4 so we had the potential for 8 if all 4 embryos split and became twins. We would have had 4 sets of twins! :thumbup: That, of course is in the most rarest of situations. We would not have done selective abortion. We didn't have to worry about it as none "took" and we lost all 4 embryos.

I was shocked when I heard she already had 6 young kids at home! At first I was thinking maybe she was like that Jon and Kate show, they just wanted one more and got 6! Now I'm not so sure! No wonder she doesn't want her name out, then people can find out all about her and she doesn't want that!

It'll be interesting as more gets out.

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And Beth, don't EVEN get me started on this state! I'm so mad right now! :redface: If the Governor gets his way, the potential is there for DH and I to lose everything we've worked for all of our 21yr marriage!

[heartfire 4]

Six children already and 8 more. Not that having a lot of children is wrong. Not being able to support the children you already have and then adding 8 more is wrong. If you cannot afford 6 how will you afford 8. :redface:

Very true. I totally agree with you!