Kaiser Richmond Pre-op

[Desperate1 1]

I think sometime our parents/spouse don't really understand that for some of us food is an addiction. Just like last week when my dad bought Toblerone candy bars for the kids - he got one for me too. I think he thought if he didn't get one for me too it would hurt my feelings. However I ate the whole thing at one sitting and when I told him about it he said I was supposed to eat one triangle a day and it would have lasted about 10 days. I said are you kidding once I eat one piece I can't stop myself. Hard to believe he thought I could do that - how did he think I got so fat to start with? If I had that kind of control, I wouldn't have a problem.

Well Said Pammie!

[Desperate1 1]

Riley - so full of info and insight! Maybe you should lead a group! You & Tina.

Maybe I should meet with Robin and just explain to her right off that I have no reason to lie to her - that I'm in this program to succeed. I mean really, if I lie to her it's not hurting her it's hindering my success! I understand her rules and consistency but I just feel like she doesn't understand my body - she didn't really want to look at any other option other than the 1200 cal diet for me even though it wasn't working for me. Seems like she was willing to work with you all after you spoke your mind

[livinliz112 0]

Riley,.... it is like biofeedback.... i gotta rewire this head of mine. lol. Pam u r so right!!!!! My mother wants to stay the way she is and cant deal with me changing so she sets me up and then says well why did u do it to make me feel like crap. I need to take that frustration and anger i have and retrain myself. I am a work in progress!

[LaChica707 0]

RILEY!!! That was soooo helpful! i'm gonna do it.. I've been feelin sooo weak lately.. but right now.. I jus rewired

thanks Lady!! You're Awesome!

[swrktp 1]

I emailed Dr Baggs and told him I understand that reason for the weight loss before a fill but also told him I was gonna argue it and gave him 6 reasons why I needed a fill and let him know what I have done and what I have been eating. I really think I made a good case for myself...........I basically left the decision with him but told him a fill is not gonna even do much at this point except get my closer to my sweet spot. I know that I will still have to use willpower since even a 1cc fill won't do much for me. But mentally.........ah mentally it would give me a boast to get a fill this week!!

I didn't tell him what Robin said but I will. I am annoyed by the whole thing and I won't keep quiet. LOL. Not my style. I didn't call Robin back today. I just wanted to think things through and talk to Dr. Baggs first. I need to figure out how to approach the whole thing.

I like Robin most of the time too. However the condesending thing the last time we talked pissed me off. I think I need to level with her cause what I perceived she said and what she meant might not be the same thing..........b

But yea I told Dr. Baggs (with a smile) beside it.....was that I was prepared to argue for a fill. I know how attorney and judges think so I present my case!! LOL. He will probably think I am crazy............I am just waiting to hear back from him.

HEather got me geared up to present my case since she has the guts to approach Dr. Fischer!! LOL. Thanks Heather!!

You know me if I get irratated I have to put in on the table or I explode and really piss someone off later........

[singand_dance 8]

Anyone going to the Elk Grove meeting tonight?

[swrktp 1]

My position is I am exericising daily and have been for two weeks. Even did over 30 miles last week.........

I am eating protiens (not meat) but still protiens and making healthy choices. Feeling good about that.

I am not eating hardly any carbs and hardly any sugars (does skinny vanilla latte count?)

I am also drinking my Water

But what is going wrong is I am to hungry to stay at 1/4-1/2 per meal. I am making good choices but eating to much.

When I do eat 1/4 cup I am hungry, really hungry in less than two hours with the rumbling tummy........so I am sure I am hungry..........and if I follow they rules for lunch and Breakfast I am starved by dinner and eat to much.

I only have 2.5 and even with a small fill it won't give me restriction but it would get me closer and would give me a mental boast.

And I told him I am feeling like the band is waste at this point since I can eat anything and feel like I am fighting this whole willpower thing again to stay at the 1/4 cup and I am frustrated...........seriously have thought about forgetting fills if I have to play games and jump through crazy hoops to get a fill!!

So how does that sound...............

That said I am drinking cranberry juice (diet) with water........ah even watered down it is great I am hooked. All protiens and salad today. Exercise done-3 miles. TOM-yep. Maybe that is why I am going up and down so much when I have have done so well with exercise the last two weeks............it should be falling off me :-) Still hoping to be down a bit this week...

Just waiting to see if I get a fill or not. I told Dr. Baggs if I can't get a fill it I would rather know so I don't drive all the way over there and take the time off work. THan I can also call Kelly to set something up for next month now instead of later when he is filled up..........

So well see.......Candra talk to Robin I think it helps I am going to. I just want special consideration from Robin cause I don't like one size fits all. And I am not lying about what I eat I just lose slower..........I don't like feeling like I have to justify myself...........and beg for a fill!!

[swrktp 1]

ah and if I eat carbs even the complex carbs I don't lose...........

[Desperate1 1]

Oh, Tina - my metabolism double - I will gear up to talk to Robin!

I started the Fat Fast with Tamra today - so far so good but like you, Sweet T - I only have roughly 2.3 to 3 cc so to say that I get full or even satisfied on 1/2 c is rediculous. Anyway, it's the fat in the fat fast that keeps you cool. I am eating 5 1/4c (200 cal ea) meals and that gets me thru - 9am, 11:30, 2pm, 4:30 & 7pm. drinking lots a Water in between - when I do this I lose about 1lb per day. Maybe you should try it cuz without the restriction, you are not getting a "full" signal to the brain and your body may not be getting enough cals thruout the day with only 1/4c x 3 to keep the metabolism up. I think the "full" signal with the restriction is was keeps the metabolism going and not shutting down in starvation mode (JUST A STUPID THEORY OF MINE AN PROBABLY WAY OFF BASE) but seriously, when I was doing what Robin said to do I completely STALLED! and that was 3oz Protein 3x per day only. If I do it 5x per day it works! Oh, and lotsa Water in between!

Liz - yo mama is just gonna hafta get over it.

[riley4183 0]

You girls are so funny!!! Crack me UP.

Candra I am buying into your theory too. I don't agree with the 1200 the way it is in the binder, either it has too many carbs for me, and trigger foods! But Robin specifically said - to all of us in the pre-op class, which was 1/2 bandsters- that if we ate the Protein first and then the veggie or fruit, if we never got to the carb that would be perfectly fine with her! I also do not agree that I should be eating under 1,000 calories a day, I need to eat 1,200 or Candra you are right - my metabolism STOPS! I work off 500 to 800 a day for Pete's sake, I have to have 1,200 to lose - and I've done a damned good job of it to date, so maybe our theory IS right!

Tina yes I LOVE that diet ocean spray juice!! Did you get the cranberry pomogranate? Thats my fave, drinking it right ow! It cleans me out, not the same kind of cleaning as MOM just the liver!! Love love love it

[tamra. 6]

I have drank almost 100 oz Water today lol candra girl the turkey mayo looks gross lol I have ate all bacon today :x

[Desperate1 1]

Riley - I feel smart now that YOU agree with me

Tamra - how does the Turkey salad look gross - Looks just like tuna. You aren't pureeing it are you? Just pull it apart like shredding it and mix in a little mayo - I like to put a tad of dijon mustard in it for a little kick

[tamra. 6]

Candra its cause I hate mayo LOL so I'm grossed out by the smell. Ill add some mustard

[momcof3 1]

Heather and Maria - sorry I didn't make it to the Elk Grove Support meeting tonight - did you go? How was it? When I got home with the kids we found out our regular size hamster was dead or near death. We went to dinner at Mike's Diner with my parents as we always do on Monday night (I had a baked potato) and when we got back she was dead. My younger son and my daughter were really upset so I didn't want to leave them alone. I was going to call you but realized it was 7:15 and I didn't want your phone to ring in the meeting.

Riley - I read all about that in the Beck Diet Solution book, but I am still having problems with my "giving in muscle" - good advice though

[riley4183 0]

Oh my brain re-wiring pontification comes from my materials for the "Understanding Emotional Overeating" class that is taught at Kaiser by my favorite LCSW :-) The one I call my head-hunger class! David Kessler's "The End of Overeating" was the textbook for it, I am taking it again in January - there are 5 or 6 different series.

Tomorrow I am going to talk in her 14-week pre-surgery class, I have done it before but this time I told her to get me in early so I can talk to them before they have all already decided to have RNY! Looking forward to that, and in defiance of the stupid "stats" I have now lost 90% of my excess weight - better than your average RNY loss! But really I am going to tell them that they HAVE TO exercise and deal with their head stuff - Bonnie calls it "chow-chow," all that negative head talk that we do - if they want to be successful and KEEP it off. RNYers have a difficult time keeping it off, if they have not changed the head habits by the time they start absorbing calories again at 12-18 months out, they are just going to gain it back!!

Heather did you hear back from Fisher? Tina did you hear back from Baggs?