WHY are people voting for Obama??????

[BethFromVA 5]

Like... I... said... reeks of Hitler's Youth Brigade.

See, what you don't seem to realize is that the distance from socialism to communism is thisclose.

You think the Patriot Act is bad? Just wait. All you need is your neighbors tattling because you said something that's considered criminal or don't walk in lock step with some group. You may be okay with that because right now you side with heil Hussein. But what if that changes? Then what? You'll be okay with his little Hitlers running around?

When the Nazis came for the communists,

I remained silent;

I was not a communist.

When they locked up the social democrats,

I remained silent;

I was not a social democrat.

When they came for the trade unionists,

I did not speak out;

I was not a trade unionist.

When they came for the Jews,

I remained silent;

I was not a Jew.

When they came for me,

there was no one left to speak out.

[DontSignUp 0]

Businessmen and -women make themselves millionaires and billionaires. Barring the types of bullcrap that Enron executives and other shysters pulled, and no matter what the left will have you believe, wealth is not evil. The class envy on the left is amazing.

*snorkle* Something tells me you wouldn't know a neo-conservative if it bit you on the leg. IF he has ushered in neo-conservatives, it is only because he did not stay true to his base and went far afield of the right. I know because you adhere to such leftist policies you don't see it, but to the right, he IS a liberal. Because you are so leftist, to you he is a conservative.

You're so very right. And his name is Barack Hussein Obama. Just ask "Joe the Plumber" about how the left has virtually performed anal probes on him for the mortal sin of daring to question Heil Hussein.

A. Class envy? I dont think so. I am educated, european born, was an upper level executive in a global firm, made loads of money and dont have to work. So, thank you, I am quite happy with my "class". Oh, and my income has not come from putting Americans in arms way. Its not built on American blood.

B. To maintain that Bush is a liberal is to reveal your lack of critical thinking and great ability to spew propaganda. Just Google Bush and neo-conservative and you will be quickly desilutioned of your Bush is a liberal fantasy.

This would be one: The Neocons in Power - The New York Review of books

this another Bush is a neoconservative

Of course no one disputes that Bush was so inept he has made his neoconservative buddies very unhappy.

C. Joe The Plumber. If the not a plumber, not an entrepreneur, con man Joe the Plumber is all you have to throw at Barack Obama then I pity you.

He is a huge joke, but if he is you idol, hey you can have him.

[DontSignUp 0]

And as far as your post about socialism and communism being "this" close, you really need to do some research because that is simply not the case. Further, eventhough Hitler's regime was called a social-democracy, it had nothing to do with modern socialism, think of it as a fascist regime. And, Obama wont bring a social democracy around, Sarah Palin and McCain might, Bush's attacks on the constitution have been the closest to that shift.

ANd, Obama is not considered a socialist anywhere in the world but here in the USA. To socialists everywhere he is really a centrist republican. I dont think you realize how tiny the differences are between republicans and democrats compared to lets say the Union for a Popular Movement (UMP), the the centrist party Union for French Democracy (UDF) and the the Socialist Party's (PS). Most european countries show much more marked differences in the core values of their parties. People in europe are rolling on the floor laughing when Obama is described as a communist, a socialist or a Marxist. It exposes some Americans for the ignoramuses that they are.

[BethFromVA 5]

A. Class envy? I dont think so. I am educated, european born, was an upper level executive in a global firm, made loads of money and dont have to work. So, thank you, I am quite happy with my "class". Oh, and my income has not come from putting Americans in arms way. Its not built on American blood.

To steal from one who has to give to another who has not is a form of class envy.

B. To maintain that Bush is a liberal is to reveal your lack of critical thinking and great ability to spew propaganda. Just Google Bush and neo-conservative and you will be quickly desilutioned of your Bush is a liberal fantasy.

To true conservatives, he IS a liberal. I don't expect you to get that.

C. Joe The Plumber. If the not a plumber, not an entrepreneur, con man Joe the Plumber is all you have to throw at Barack Obama then I pity you.

He is a huge joke, but if he is you idol, hey you can have him.

Where's the joke? The messiah is the one this is about, not Joe. "Joe" just represents the average person who does not want Obama's socialism. Obama's own words created Joe, nothing else. Had Obama not been caught without a teleprompter in front of him, his true side may have been hidden. "Joe" just happened to be the one heil Hussein told it to.

[BethFromVA 5]

And as far as your post about socialism and communism being "this" close, you really need to do some research because that is simply not the case. Further, eventhough Hitler's regime was called a social-democracy, it had nothing to do with modern socialism, think of it as a fascist regime. And, Obama wont bring a social democracy around, Sarah Palin and McCain might, Bush's attacks on the constitution have been the closest to that shift.

ANd, Obama is not considered a socialist anywhere in the world but here in the USA. To socialists everywhere he is really a centrist republican. I dont think you realize how tiny the differences are between republicans and democrats compared to lets say the Union for a Popular Movement (UMP), the the centrist party Union for French Democracy (UDF) and the the Socialist Party's (PS). Most european countries show much more marked differences in the core values of their parties. People in europe are rolling on the floor laughing when Obama is described as a communist, a socialist or a Marxist. It exposes some Americans for the ignoramuses that they are.

I don't doubt that to the rest of the world Obama is a republican. The rest of the world doesn't have a clue.

Does it bother you, by the way, that terrorists are rooting for Obama? Why do you think that is?

[Gracey 7]

I don't doubt that to the rest of the world Obama is a republican. The rest of the world doesn't have a clue.

Does it bother you, by the way, that terrorists are rooting for Obama? Why do you think that is?

1. Come on, seriously? You honestly think that Americans are SO much brighter than the rest of the world? That statement, in and of itself, is ridiculous. The mere fact that our educational system continue to decrease against the other industrialized countries should tell us something. Having been outside of the U.S., I have realized how spoiled and isolated we truly are. Look at the level of debt many Americans are in.

2. How in God's name do you have any idea what terrorists want? Are you making this stuff up now? Terrorists want Obama b/c he doesn't want us to be in Iraq?

[BethFromVA 5]

1. Come on, seriously? You honestly think that Americans are SO much brighter than the rest of the world? That statement, in and of itself, is ridiculous. The mere fact that our educational system continue to decrease against the other industrialized countries should tell us something. Having been outside of the U.S., I have realized how spoiled and isolated we truly are. Look at the level of debt many Americans are in.

No, actually I don't think that Americans are so much brighter than the rest of the world. However, we are still on this side of freer than most of them are. So compared to what many countries have as their societal system, they just may consider Obama a republican.

2. How in God's name do you have any idea what terrorists want? Are you making this stuff up now? Terrorists want Obama b/c he doesn't want us to be in Iraq?

I guess I could ask how in God's name you know that most outside of America consider Obama a republican. I have seen pictures of Arabs and other middle easterners carrying signs saying they are for Obama. Saw one in fact that says Palestinians for Obama. And I am sure the terrorists DO want us out of Iraq. It's harder to keep up with their terrorist activities if we're there.

[DontSignUp 0]

You got it wrong.

Turns out Al-Quaeda endorses McCain not Obama.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/26/opinion/26kristof.html?em

Because McCain's plan to keep occupying Iraq, attack Iran and god knows what other country will keep turning average muslims into jihadists, not Obama's diplomatic efforts.

[BethFromVA 5]

Interesting. McCain gets al-Qaeda while Obama gets Hamas. And four of the Weatherunderground terrorists. And Raila Odinga. And Rashid Khalidi.

Then again (and again, not that I'm pro McCain), I wouldn't put it past a terrorist organization like al-Qaeda to put something like that out there in order to cause consternation in the last days before the election. You know, they don't really support him, but to say they do casts a shadow. Cuz you know how wiley those silly little terrorists are. :cool2:

[DontSignUp 0]

Rashid Khalili? First he is a scholar, not a terrorist. Second, McCain is the one who gave him a 1/2 million dollar, not Obama:

"John McCain served as Chairman of the International Republican Institute (IRI), which gave out grants to different organizations including the Palestinian Research Center, which was headed by Rashid Khalidi. In 1998, a tax filing from IRI shows $448,873 that went to Khalaidi’s group. The relationship existed for at least 5 years as in 1993 IRI funded several of Khalidi’s studies on “sociopolitical attitudes.”

See grant number 5180, "West Bank: CPRS" on page 14 of this PDF:

http://big.assets.huffingtonpo.....901998.pdf"

More info on the relationship between Obama and Khalili:

Allies of Palestinians see a friend in Barack Obama - Los Angeles Times

And, have you been to Israel? Because I have and while I am pro-israel, the manner in which Palestinians live is not ok, in great part due to their own dirigants. If Obama can help resolve some of the issues great. I dont think he will be anymore successful then the other Presidents who have tried.

And, do you know that the Economist endorsed Obama? Hardly a liberal rag.

This is what they have to say about Obama and Raila's relationship.

Mr Obama saves Kenya | Saving the world in his spare time | The Economist

Not at all how you portray it.

I dont know where you get your information, I think you might want to investigate more closely whatever is sent to you because as you can see when you look at just the facts, your stuff just does noy stand up to scrutiny.

[DontSignUp 0]

Oh, and about socialist countries being losers, or whatever you called them here are some interesting statistics related to your perception about socialism and capitalism relative to corporations andmbusinesses. Cause business is what defines capitalism.

The Ease of Doing Business (created by the World Bank)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E.....ness_Index

The top 20 countries in the world for ease of doing business include many that are considered to be "socialist" countries by conservatives like you.

Index of Economic Freedom (compiled by Wall Street Journal and Heritage Foundation)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I.....ic_Freedom

Quote:The index scores nations on 10 broad factors of economic freedom using statistics from organizations like the World Bank, the IMF and the Economist Intelligence Unit:

* Business Freedom

* Trade Freedom

* Monetary Freedom

* Freedom from Government

* Fiscal Freedom

* Property Rights

* Investment Freedom

* Financial Freedom

* Freedom from Corruption

* Labor Freedom

The 10 factors are averaged equally into a total score. Each one of the 10 freedoms is graded using a scale from 0 to 100, where 100 represents the maximum freedom. A score of 100 signifies an economic environment or set of policies that is most conducive to economic freedom.

Again there a number of "socialist" countries including Belgium and a host of Scandinavian countries in the top 20.

How do you explain that?

[TerriDoodle 6]

THIS IS WHY:

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Makes me downright queazy. :tongue:

[BethFromVA 5]

SOCIALISM IS ILLEGAL THEFT MADE LEGAL BY POLITICIANS, pure and simple.

[Gracey 7]

Oh good grief. Make sure you're up early tomorrow for the gold collector. :thumbup:

[BethFromVA 5]

Oh good grief. Make sure you're up early tomorrow for the gold collector. :thumbup:

I don't get up early for nuttin'.