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[green 6]

I agree with you. While some atheists don't want our beliefs forced on them, some see no problem with forcing their beliefs on us. That's like some wanting "In God we trust" removed from the dollar bill. It has always been there, if someone doesn't want to read it, then they don't have to. I believe this country was founded on the belief in God and Jesus. You can read it in the constitution. I also think that most americans believe in God and Jesus in some way or another. I heard something on the radio the other day that was interesting. If most of us are believers, then why do we just sit around and not do anything about God being taken out of everything just to please atheists, when most of us are believers. It makes you think.

Most of the atheists that I know are merely concerned about maintaining a separation between church and state. I read somewhere that the addition of the slogan "In God we trust" on your money was a relatively recent one. This was done sometime during the 20th century - in the 1950s under President Eisenhower, I think. (I personally find it kind of amusing to have a reference to God on that which is Caesar's but that is just my sense of humour.)

But you are right when you say that the majority of Americans are believers. I have read statistics which corroborate this. Your country was, however, founded on splendid revolutionary principles, including that of freedom of belief (and disbelief). If you do not adhere to the separation of state and religion then you run the risk of turning your country into one of those Islamo-states which we currently see performing attrocities against those who do not conform to the rules of their religion in the middle east. It is my opinion that your founding fathers were very wise individuals.

[Carrie_C 9]

No one is redirecting the topic. I just feel it is pointless to argue. No matter what you say, I am still going to believe the way I believe. I don't have all the answers. I don't know why God allows bad things to happen. I am the first to admit that I don't understand a lot of the Bible. But I know what I feel and I know what I believe, and nothing will change that. You feel the way you do, and nothing I say will make you believe otherwise, so it is a pointless argument.

[BethFromVA 5]

No, they were not lost. I merely disagree and explained why. But honestly, I have come to expect this from most Christians. When the questions get tough, the Christians go running claiming everyone else just doesn't understand.

I noticed you play the same game as Beth... redirecting the topic to avoid answering the harder questions.

Seriously, I have been down this road with harder nuts to crack than you. It's not a matter of redirecting anything, it's a matter of picking one's battles.

It's like trying to describe colors to a blind person. They can't get what you're saying anyway. Nothing personal towards you, but I find when one wrestles with pigs, you end up all dirty and the pig likes it. So what's the point? You have your reasons for not believing in God, and I have a my reasons for believing in Him. Faith cannot be defined or described. You either have it or you don't.

[Carrie_C 9]

Why would I want to? I believe in God and you don't. That pretty much sums it up, doesn't it? I don't need to make my point with people who don't believe. It's rather fruitless and silly.

My thought exactly. I also believe that Jesus said if some don't believe, then just dust your shoes off and go on.

[WASaBubbleButt 41]

I believe Catholics and Baptist believe in the same God.

Obviously so. But they both have different prayers they choose to say at times.

[WASaBubbleButt 41]

Why would I want to? I believe in God and you don't. That pretty much sums it up, doesn't it? I don't need to make my point with people who don't believe. It's rather fruitless and silly.

As I wrote, when the questions get tough the Christians go running.

Great, now we get to hear Patty's sermons. :w00t:

[WASaBubbleButt 41]

No one is redirecting the topic. I just feel it is pointless to argue. No matter what you say, I am still going to believe the way I believe. I don't have all the answers. I don't know why God allows bad things to happen. I am the first to admit that I don't understand a lot of the Bible. But I know what I feel and I know what I believe, and nothing will change that. You feel the way you do, and nothing I say will make you believe otherwise, so it is a pointless argument.

Nobody is asking you to change your beliefs, that isn't the discussion in the least. It is redirection but not the discussion.

I merely posed questions to you and you decline to answer. Such as... if Satan worshipers wanted the same special rights as xtians, would you respect their rights to want special rights, too?

I challenged you on this country being founded on xtianity and I showed you why. I challenged you on the "in god we trust" bit on our money. I challenged you on your comment that your god doesn't want anyone injured and backed it up with facts and sources.

I get your points, I merely disagree.

Edited January 25, 2009 by WASaBubbleButt

[BethFromVA 5]

As I wrote, when the questions get tough the Christians go running.

Great, now we get to hear Patty's sermons. :w00t:

And as I wrote, I choose not to wrestle with pigs. Figuratively speaking, that is. That is my choice, no? Otherwise, aren't you forcing this on me? :thumbup:

I never got into this as a religious debate anyway.

[WASaBubbleButt 41]

Seriously, I have been down this road with harder nuts to crack than you. It's not a matter of redirecting anything, it's a matter of picking one's battles.

It's like trying to describe colors to a blind person. They can't get what you're saying anyway. Nothing personal towards you, but I find when one wrestles with pigs, you end up all dirty and the pig likes it. So what's the point? You have your reasons for not believing in God, and I have a my reasons for believing in Him. Faith cannot be defined or described. You either have it or you don't.

We aren't discussing why you believe in anything. We are discussing your beliefs in regard to public events and how we handle people who want special rights. Not a thing in the world to do with whether or not you should believe. Nobody has asked you to defend your faith, nobody has asked that you give up your faith.

One thing I did ask is what the value is for prayer before a football game, merely another question you declined to answer.

Now do you see why I suggest that when the questions get tough, the Christians go running.

We didn't even get one another's questions answered and now we have to put up with a mountain of sermons. Gahhh

[WASaBubbleButt 41]

My thought exactly. I also believe that Jesus said if some don't believe, then just dust your shoes off and go on.

My mistake, I thought we were talking legal issues. I didn't realize you are here to convert me.

[BethFromVA 5]

We aren't discussing why you believe in anything. We are discussing your beliefs in regard to public events and how we handle people who want special rights. Not a thing in the world to do with whether or not you should believe. Nobody has asked you to defend your faith, nobody has asked that you give up your faith.

One thing I did ask is what the value is for prayer before a football game, merely another question you declined to answer.

Now do you see why I suggest that when the questions get tough, the Christians go running.

We didn't even get one another's questions answered and now we have to put up with a mountain of sermons. Gahhh

It's not a matter of what value there is in prayer before a football game. It's more about what harm is there in having prayer before a football game if the majority of the people want it? One sucky person can ruin it for everybody else, and I don't recall that America was founded on those principles. It's the mere fact that people can't live and let live. I have to tolerate all sorts of things in my everyday life that I wouldn't necessarily choose to if I was queen, but the same fairness or fair play can't be given by the other side. It just baffles me.

Also, I know your perception is that when the questions get tough, Christians go running. But maybe many believe as I do. It's just not a worthwhile fight.

As for listening to sermons, I'm guessing you mean PattyGreen. The only thing I can suggest is to unsubscribe from the thread. :confused:

[WASaBubbleButt 41]

And as I wrote, I choose not to wrestle with pigs. Figuratively speaking, that is. That is my choice, no? Otherwise, aren't you forcing this on me? :confused:

I never got into this as a religious debate anyway.

Yes, we keep getting your pig inferences. I just choose not to return the favor.

Absolutely! You have the choice to run from any discussion you wish when the questions put you on the spot. How in the world can someone on a message board force you to do anything?

Perhaps a little drama along with the redirection?

[Carrie_C 9]

No one is running. As I explained to you, I don't have all the answers, nor do I pretend to.

I don't know how Satan worshipers believe, but I doubt they pray to Satan or would want to before a game or any other time. The questions you are asking are just silly.

If you believed, you would understand the value of prayer before a football game or any other time. Since you don't believe, no matter what we say, it won't matter to you and you will continue to argue about it.

[Carrie_C 9]

My mistake, I thought we were talking legal issues. I didn't realize you are here to convert me.

I see again that the point was totally lost on you. By the way, that quote was meant for Beth, not you.

[WASaBubbleButt 41]

It's not a matter of what value there is in prayer before a football game. It's more about what harm is there in having prayer before a football game if the majority of the people want it? One sucky person can ruin it for everybody else, and I don't recall that America was founded on those principles. It's the mere fact that people can't live and let live. I have to tolerate all sorts of things in my everyday life that I wouldn't necessarily choose to if I was queen, but the same fairness or fair play can't be given by the other side. It just baffles me.

Also, I know your perception is that when the questions get tough, Christians go running. But maybe many believe as I do. It's just not a worthwhile fight.

As for listening to sermons, I'm guessing you mean PattyGreen. The only thing I can suggest is to unsubscribe from the thread. :sneaky:

Nawww.. I wouldn't unsubscribe from this thread, you would miss me too much. :confused:

I could and probably will block Patty/Ron though.

It wasn't just one person that ruined it for everyone. It was a group of people that wanted current laws enforced and did not agree that you should get special rights. Seriously, you can get a group of people anywhere to agree with something you also want. Go to any prison and I'll bet you find a group of people that don't believe murder should be against the law. Then you have that one pissy person that has the job of the warden that just ruins it for everyone.

I just find it odd that you were in there gung ho telling me about what you believe regarding legal issues and whether or not you agree and as soon as you were asked direct questions to defend your own statements (noooo, not regarding faith but legalities) you suddenly feel that I don't understand your points and you are wrestling with pigs.

Whatever.