WHY are people voting for McCain?

[BethFromVA 5]

Charity is when you give because you desire to do so. Taking is when the government enforces you to give. If your brothers are ok with their high taxation then good, cause if Obama gets elected, they wont have a choice. This issue is not about whether we should all feel the same as your brothers do, but about the government enforcing this. Free enterprise was set up in this country because those who didn't want to work, still were able to eat. Why look for a job or even try to work for anything in this life if it will be handed to you anyway? The gov. shouldn't be allowed to force those who got off their butts, worked hard, and sacrificed in life to get where they are, to give it to those who don't. They should be able to decide for themselves what charities they want their money to go to.

BINGO!

What I notice in an argument such as this is the hypocrisy and double standard. If we were talking about the government forcing one religion on people, there would be an uprising like nobody has ever seen. However, this same group who would be the loudest screamers if it was an issue of religion are essentially telling us that not only should we feel honored to pay taxes (and HIGHER taxes at that), that somehow there is something wrong with us if we aren't even happy about paying more than our fair share.

I say if they enjoy paying more, go right ahead and cut the government a big, fat check. Those of us who don't agree with you can "selfishly" keep our money. Problem solved. :cool2:

[BethFromVA 5]

God does want us to take care of those that are less fortunate, IF they are not phsically or mentally able to do it themselves. and He does not want anyone to take from others when they are able to work and provide for themselves.(this is why he said 'those who will not work will not eat)

He also says to be a 'cheerful' giver.

Exactly, with the operative word there being "giver," not having it wrested away and stolen from us.

[Ceradad 10]

Give me a break there are bigger things at stake then whether Susie is on her 2nd or 3rd abortion

Are you kidding me? I may be getting into this conversation a little late, but what can be more important than a life? The economy? I don't think so.

I am an adoptee, my sister was adopted, my daughter is adopted (due to infertility for DW and I), my daughters birthmother is adopted as was her brother. Adoption is always an option over abortion. Obviously, I am pro life. However, after all those reasons I give, I still cannot impinge on someone elses Constitutional rights when it comes to their bodies/privacy.

Now, I am voting for McCain because I do not want to see the U.S.A. become the S.R.A. (Socialist Republic of America). The idea of "redistribution of wealth" screams of communism. How can you not see that? Obama wants to reimage the American Dream from working hard to make yourself and your family better off to let the government take care of you because you are inept. I'll take my chances that McCain will keep the dream as is.

While growing up, my single mother raised 3 children by herself. For awhile, we were on welfare. However, she worked the program the way it was intended. She worked while on welfare and put herself through college. As soon as she was able to, she got off welfare. She may have had to work up to 3 jobs just to support us, but she had PRIDE. She didn't want to take any more money than was necessary to get her, and us, on back on track.

PRIDE and RESPECT have been lost in America. Alot of people do not want to take responsibility for where they are in life right now. They don't want to work to make their lives better. They want to blame others and want to know what others are going to do to make their lives the way they dream it should be. Obama is catering to that feeling.

So, yes, I am voting for McCain and Palin. I truly believe that when it is all said and done, I would rather have to work a little harder to make it through a tough economy (which is cyclical btw) than to demean myself to taking handouts from the govt.

[BethFromVA 5]

It's the victimology of America, Ceradad. If I can be labeled a victim (or if the government can do it for me), maybe I can get me some goodies. :cool2:

We have become a country of whiners and complainers, of PC wussies, of greedy losers with their hands out, of people who wouldn't know a hard days' work if it bit them, of people with no shame and no pride, of people who will come out in droves to save a rare mosquito or hug a tree but would never do the same for a person, of people who can't raise decent human beings to save their life, and people who have no idea how responsible they are for their own problems.

All I can say is I am glad my grandfathers who fought and died for this country aren't here to see this.

[Ceradad 10]

It's the victimology of America, Ceradad. If I can be labeled a victim (or if the government can do it for me), maybe I can get me some goodies. :cool2:

We have become a country of whiners and complainers, of PC wussies, of greedy losers with their hands out, of people who wouldn't know a hard days' work if it bit them, of people with no shame and no pride, of people who will come out in droves to save a rare mosquito or hug a tree but would never do the same for a person, of people who can't raise decent human beings to save their life, and people who have no idea how responsible they are for their own problems.

All I can say is I am glad my grandfathers who fought and died for this country aren't here to see this.

Couldn't agree with you any more than I already do Beth. It's almost a shame to see it. But, those same men and women who fought and died would also say they fought for these people to have that right. They were PROUD of the fact they were fighting to ensure others would have freedom after them.

[luluc 6]

Couldn't agree with you any more than I already do Beth. It's almost a shame to see it. But, those same men and women who fought and died would also say they fought for these people to have that right. They were PROUD of the fact they were fighting to ensure others would have freedom after them.

you KNOW i :cool2::wub::biggrin: ya, however i think it's really important to note that those supporting obama are not all looking for a handout/handup, are against the military, or want to hug a tree.

your going to identify with one of these candidates based off your personal belief/value system .. it's a tad unfair to lump party litmus tests onto the "groups" (both party) as a whole...i don't with my republican hubby..., but then again he voted for obama:tongue:

[Ceradad 10]

you KNOW i :cool2::wub::biggrin: ya, however i think it's really important to note that those supporting obama are not all looking for a handout/handup, are against the military, or want to hug a tree.

your going to identify with one of these candidates based off your personal belief/value system .. it's a tad unfair to lump party litmus tests onto the "groups" (both party) as a whole...i don't with my republican hubby..., but then again he voted for obama:tongue:

And you know the feeling is mutual.:biggrin::wub::biggrin: And that I have given you some ribbing via PM's about your Obama vote (and your rooting for the Gnats today against my Cowboys:biggrin:).

I do not lump all Obama supporters in one group. If I conveyed that, I apologize to those of you who are sensitive to such things. (it's a joke. but, if anyone was offended, I guess it just hit the mark:biggrin:).

However, I do not agree with the policies Obama is saying he will implement if elected. Therefore, I cannot vote for him. I do like most of what McCain is saying, so I will vote for him. Why do people have to have such animosity due to contradicting opinions. We each place our votes and the one that gets the most electorate votes wins. Then, we have to deal with the repurcussions for the next 4 yrs. After that, we get to go through it again. Better or worse, we'll make it through.

[luluc 6]

Why do people have to have such animosity due to contradicting opinions. We each place our votes and the one that gets the most electorate votes wins. Then, we have to deal with the repurcussions for the next 4 yrs. After that, we get to go through it again. Better or worse, we'll make it through.

absolutely - it's tuff in cyber world. since i can't talk w/out using my hands...i don't expect my written word to be read the same as an actual converstation...so the same can be said in my readings here. respectful balance is a good thing...

GO Big BLUE!!!!.

[Ceradad 10]

GO Big BLUE!!!!.

I hope you mean COWBOYS BLUE!!:biggrin:

If not, then we are going to have some real animosity.:cool2:

[green 6]

Let the churches pay taxes.

[BethFromVA 5]

WOO HOO! COWBOYS! :cool2:

*ducks and runs*

[BethFromVA 5]

Let the churches pay taxes.

May as well. MANY a black church is preaching liberal politics and endorsing liberal candidates from the pulpit, which goes against their 501c3 status.

[stevegoad 32]

OK... for whoever is still listening.

Let me lay a couple of facts out.

Row v. Wade took place in the early 70's.

Once or twice since then it has come before the supreme court. Nothing big has changed it. I am basically pro-life, though I don't have a big problem with first trimester abortions. But if that is a factor, it might not come up at all during the next 8 years.

While a president does nominate judges, there is no guarantee as to how they will vote. (remember, it was a Bush apointee who completely went against the conservative thought with Guantamo Bay).

So to make abortion the big factor is somewhat iffy reasoning.

As far as churches, as a former pastor, I was very careful to never put my political beliefs in the pulpit. I was asked by some politicians if they could speak at my church, and I never did allow it (actually, I would have allowed it each time, but none would agree to my rules of them preaching without campaigning.)

As a matter of fact, no one in my congregations would ever know who I voted for, with the one exception of the Texas Lottery, and I stated my disapproval for that with the Methodist Church's blessing and encouragement.

I will not go so far as to say that a church should lose its tax free status if they cross the line into politics, although there are some who cross the line and are making me rethink the issue. In any case, while Christians should be politically aware and active, as should clergy, the politics of people should be left at the door on Sunday mornings.

[green 6]

I always enjoy your posts, SteveGoad.

[gadgetlady 4]

Row v. Wade took place in the early 70's.

Once or twice since then it has come before the supreme court. Nothing big has changed it. I am basically pro-life, though I don't have a big problem with first trimester abortions. But if that is a factor, it might not come up at all during the next 8 years.

While a president does nominate judges, there is no guarantee as to how they will vote. (remember, it was a Bush apointee who completely went against the conservative thought with Guantamo Bay).

So to make abortion the big factor is somewhat iffy reasoning.

Obama promised that the first thing he would do in office was sign the Freedom of Choice Act, "FOCA", which would reverse 100% of the (minimal) pro-life gains over the last 35 years (ban on partial birth abortion, parental notification, etc). Also, Obama has promised to have an abortion litmus test for judges (he calls it a "right to privacy" litmus test but that's "code" for abortion).