WHY are people voting for McCain?

[gadgetlady 4]

There have been a few occurrences in Oregon where a cancer victim with a state-held insurance plan didn't qualify for chemo, but the state did pleasantly inform them that they qualified for assisted suicide. Scary stuff.

[Gracey 7]

Gadget - that is beyond ridiculous!

A good friend of mine is married to a Canadian. She has horror stories about her FIL during his (unsuccessful) battle with cancer. Can you imagine the amount of fraud attached to Medicare/Medicaid being applied to a universal healthcare system? <shuddering>

The liberal in me would like to see everyone have healthcare but the businessperson in me knows it would be horribly unsuccessful. (But hmm, would it be worse than $700B?)

Speaking of - I have a serious question for the Republicans (and no, I am not being facetious or sarcastic, promise). President Bush is the head of the Republican party. He appointed both Paulson and Bernanke. Why did the House vote seem backwards? I mean why did the Dems vote for and the Repubs against their own party? And I thought the Repubs were supposed to be for big business? I truly cannot find (and haven't been home to research) why the House voted "backwards."

Now for the sarcasm so I don't disappoint Plain - why do House reps that have 2 year terms think they know better than the experts? Oy.

One last serious thought - I feel for whoever wins this election. They sure are inheriting a mess.

[JamieNP 20]

My point of the long list of scientist (before I was rudely interrupted by surgery), was that Palin is not the only educated person that believes in Creationism. This does not make her ignorant.

There are hundreds of stupid things that Biden says but you don't hear that plastered all over the leftist internet.

[Gracey 7]

Libs & Conservatives both have been against this...for different reasons.

Jack - I realize that. I just find the vote interesting, that's all.

My point of the long list of scientist (before I was rudely interrupted by surgery), was that Palin is not the only educated person that believes in Creationism. This does not make her ignorant.

There are hundreds of stupid things that Biden says but you don't hear that plastered all over the leftist internet.

Biden has been around for years and years. Palin is just the new face to pick on b/c she's only done 3 interviews since her acceptance and nobody knows her on the national stage.

[gadgetlady 4]

Gadget - that is beyond ridiculous!

You may disagree with my politics but I hope you would know by now that I don't just make stuff up or post urban legends.

From Oregon Tells Patients State Will Pay for Assisted Suicide, Not Health Care (emphasis mine):

It's happened again -- another Oregon resident has heard form state officials that it will happily pay for an assisted suicide but will not pay for the medical treatment he needs. For the second time in just over the last month, a patient has said the state health insurance plan has promoted death over medical care.

Randy Stroup is a 53-year-old Dexter, Oregon resident who faces a troubling bout of prostate cancer.

As an uninsured resident with a need for expensive chemotherapy he applied to the Oregon health insurance plan for help.

Lane Individual Practice Association administers the Oregon Health Plan in Stroup's county and they responded to his request with a letter saying the state would not cover the treatment but would pay for an assisted suicide.

"It dropped my chin to the floor," Stroup told FOX News. "[How could they] not pay for medication that would help my life, and yet offer to pay to end my life?"

The letter has been sent to other terminal patients in the state and it follows state legislative guidelines saying the state will not cover life-prolonging treatment unless there is a better than five percent chance the patient will live for five or more years.

Dr. John Sattenspiel, LIPA's senior medical director, defended the practice of promoting assisted suicide in comments to Fox News. "I have had patients who would consider knowing that this is part of that range of comfort care or palliative care services that are still available to them, they would be comforted by that," Sattenspiel said. "It really depends on the individual patient."

But Dr. William Toffler, a professor of family medicine at Oregon Health & Science University, disagrees. "It's chilling when you think about it," he told Fox News. It absolutely conveys to the patient that continued living isn't worthwhile. It corrupts the consistent medical ethic that has been in place for 2,000 years."

California-based attorney and author Wesley J. Smith agrees that the Oregon system is hypocritical. "And now the oozing compassion of assisted suicide is revealed to all. And the same agenda is at the root of Futile Care Theory. When life gets tough, it is time for the ill to get going onto whatever comes next," he explained.

[gadgetlady 4]

SickNTired, I just re-read your post and I'm thinking maybe you meant "that is beyond ridiculous" not to mean what I said was ridiculous or untrue, but that the practice of offering assisted-suicide over chemo was a ridiculous practice. If I misread your intent, I apologize.

[plain 12]

Yeah, I think SNT was agreeing with you. Of course, I still believed in Santa Claus until last Tuesday. That was when the Tooth Fairy left me a note explaining that Santa is a fraud.

[gadgetlady 4]

Yeah, I think SNT was agreeing with you.

Yeah, I didn't get that sense when I read it the first time around, but upon review it struck me that I could have been way off base. Again, if I did misread it, I apologize. I left the details of the Oregon "assisted suicide vs. treatment" issue up, though, because I think people need to be aware of it.

[babygrl1234 6]

Yeah, I think SNT was agreeing with you. Of course, I still believed in Santa Claus until last Tuesday. That was when the Tooth Fairy left me a note explaining that Santa is a fraud.

Santa is not real?!?!?!?!

At least we still have the tooth fairy.

[rstroud100 0]

My gut tells me that I could never vote for Obama. I don't feel that he can be trusted. I am a conservative and support McCain.

[green 6]

The inevitable result of bureaucratized medicine, is health care decisions will be made by policy makers; policy will be enforced by glorified administrative staff; payment will be made based on CPT, ICD and RSV codes carefully preened to exclude whatever the policy d'jour may be based on administrative fiat; glorious taxation for the many to pay for those who can't or don't or won't earn their own coverage; and the provider will be left with the chasm between earnest concern and humanistic care for their patients and covering their rent, insurance, school loans, and a fleet of front office paperwork specialists who job it is to try to collect 50 cents per each service-provided dollar after wading though the exclusions, deductions, co-pays, non-covered and administratively determined 'not medically necessary' services.

It will be CEOs and administrative goons sucking up the 'money saved' while the provider and the now-insured patient, who will be left again facing the uncovered cracks of ignored and denied patient need.

Just like now, except there will be more paperwork, more overhead, more expense to pay all those bureaucratic functionaries, and less provision of service to those needing it.

My brother is a doctor who has worked under both the Canadian and American health systems. He said that when he used to work up here in Canada he simply ordered such medical tests and procedures as he felt his patient required; south of the border he was required to consult with the financial bottom line before making medical decisions. His medical freedom was actually greater up here in universal medicine Canada.

Don't forget, we don't have to feed the businessmen and the shareholders. Canadians pay approximately $3,000 per person per year less in health care costs than do Americans and everyone up here is covered. Of course our government is largely run by beaurocrats, not incompetant politicians.

[Gracey 7]

Yeah, I think SNT was agreeing with you. Of course, I still believed in Santa Claus until last Tuesday. That was when the Tooth Fairy left me a note explaining that Santa is a fraud.

Scares me that Plain figured me out! Yes I meant that offering assisted suicide was ridiculous!!! I almost went into how the insurance provided at my very first job in the late 80's that would pay for abortions but not birth control pills. While I don't want the govt telling me what to do with my body, that is stupid!!!

[Joy1 0]

IF the economy is the #1 issue in America why would you vote for McCain? He stated not long ago (Sept 15,2008) that the fundamentals of our economy is good:blink:. Seriously? Then just today or yesterday, he said the problem with the economy is corporate greed and would have a commission (much like the like 9/11 commission) study it. WTF?! So basically he is saying he doesn't want to deal with the economy! AND lets not forget his TOP economic advisor stated just a few months ago in JUNE/JULY of THIS year that there was nothing wrong with our economy and that the American people were a bunch of "whiners". Does this sound like a person who is for the people? It is just infuriating to me that this race has become "tight"! I mean it's pretty bad when Karl Rove says the McCain campaign is lying and running a bad campaign!! UGH I will never understand what people see in McCain!

WHY would people vote for McCain?............Because they have some sense, that is THAT!

Joy

PS: What does this have to do w/ WLS anyway?

[green 6]

It would be more logical to pay for birth control meds than for abortions.

[Gone4Now 4]

PS: What does this have to do w/ WLS anyway?

Welcome, Joy, to LBT's Rants and Raves section.

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