Would It Kill Me....

[coltonwade 27]

Mindy

[ponytail 0]

Try it and let me know if you get voilently ill.

[JustinsMama 1]

Did the OP ever come back?

[WASaBubbleButt 41]

the fact that I am a nurse only validates the fact that I have a clearer understanding of the pathophysiology of the body as well the fact that physicians heed to their own opinions and experiences as to what is right or wrong. I feel patients should understand that what their physician says is what they should go by. It is "ok" that they also realize that other physicians do things different. That doesn't make their doctor right or wrong. The question here was what our physicians' were having us do. We answered. So we shouldn't be penalized for providing that information. This really should be the end of this as we have beat it to death.

sharon:)

No, Sharon. You used the fact that you are a nurse to bolster your opinion that the OP could cheat on the diet by telling them they would be "just fine."

Again I will ask, are you willing to put your license number up along side of YOUR VERY FIRST POST on this thread? Whether or not you wish to admit it and regardless of how many ways you choose to rephrase your original post you are indeed giving medical advice. If your advice was correct, then back it up with a license.

I think one thing you should remember is that you may be an experienced nurse but you have about a gazillion posts to read, fills and restriction to experience, more head issues than you will care to acknowledge, and weight loss before anyone is an experienced banded person. Banding... it seems pretty simple and straight forward. Amazingly, it isn't. You learn SO much while going through the phases, the head stuff, the learning to do basics again. And I'm here to tell you that being a nurse does not speed up the process one little bit. It is what it is. If being an nurse made the least bit of difference here we would have never gotten fat to begin with.

We have spent many years getting fat, it didn't happen overnight. We think fat, we live a fat life. We justify food and more food. We do it in ways we don't even recognize until we have to change habits and that is when we realize the habits we have had for so many years and were oblivious to it.

It seems so natural for us that I don't think we notice it when others do the same thing such as justifying more food. Naturally thin people see it right up front, fat folks are closed down to the obvious with some of these issues. Denial? Not sure. I don't know what causes it.

I realize you want this thread to die a quick death but this is a much more important issue than you realize and it isn't going to die until it dies. Maybe that will be today, maybe it will be in a month. But the reality is that you gave bad advice, you pushed your opinion by making it a point to say you are a nurse as though that carries more weight.... and you did do that, and then you attempted to back peddle. I'm not so sure it is a matter of right or wrong right now, the wrongs have been corrected. But as a fellow nurse I am going to point out to you that nursing, age, experience, or wisdom.. they ain't got noth'en to do with banding and massive weight loss. You are in a whole new world right now and you have to give yourself a chance to start over and learn like the rest of us. You are a newbie and there is nothing wrong with that. But the experience of a nurse has little to do with what newbies face in the beginning. Correcting old thinking, learning new ways, being honest with self, understanding what got us fat to begin with... everyone starts from ground zero. We didn't get fat because we wanted to, it was a problem that grew bigger and bigger and one day it was so out of hand we realized... holy crap! There is no light at the end of the tunnel!

Common sense has its place in massive weight loss but that isn't the only thing, if it was we'd just go on to eat less and lose weight. Instead we needed surgery to help. Learning why we do what we do requires being honest to the core and facing up to responsibility in a whole new way.

I can tell you these things and you may accept or reject them, that's fair. It doesn't change reality and when you experience it you'll understand on a level you won't likely get as a newbie.

I really believe that the key is to explain and encourage, but don't condone behaviors when you see it in another. What seems simple and straight forward really isn't.

My opinions only.

[Oregondaisy 2,021]

I don't think this thread should die at all because new people that may join lapBT will be here researching and when they think "oh one little bite of this or that certainly won't hurt" maybe they will remember this thread and realize it's not worth risking a slip. They need to have it drilled into their heads that the liquid diet is very necessary for healing.

[TerriDoodle 6]

I think Sharona has been badgered quite enough now. Let's move on.

[WASaBubbleButt 41]

I think Sharona has been badgered quite enough now. Let's move on.

Actually Terri, she has not been badgered, she has been given a great deal of information. It is the choice of each person to take it or not. So I do believe I'll go with the other mods on this one.

This is one reason I declined that mod job. ;o)

[babygrl1234 6]

STFU and follow your Doctor's orders.

I have nothing more to offer.

[coltonwade 27]

I dont think anyone is being badgered , just educated and I think its a good thing to keep the thread "alive' to make sure the newbies understand things accurately . !

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Just my 2 cents !

Mindy

[Apples2 19]

So many dr.s so many different plans....One of the reasons I am going with my dr. is because of his success rate. I am going to stick to pre-op and post-op to a T. He knows what he is talking about. I've come too far not to treat my band like a newborn baby. I am going to follow my dr.s instructions just as I did when I brought my babies home. Nothing went in their little tummies except what was approved of by the pediatrician.

[Elisabethsew 50]

I've been an RN for over 25 years and my advise is to always follow whatever your MD recommends. There is often a fine line between advice and opinion and I have to sometimes step back and reread something before posting it.

I don't think anyone intentionally wants to give "bad" advice to another person but when it comes to questions that seek permission to alter the person's post-op plan of care, there really only is (in my opinion) ONE response and that's "check with your MD/follow your MD's instructions."

I was hungry toward the end of the 2nd post-op week of liquids so I called the surgeon's office and spoke with a PA. She told me I could add a few ounces (no more than 4) of part skim or low fat ricotta cheese to my diet once a day. That got me through the rest of the liquid phase. However, had she told me I had to stick with only liquids, I would have done it.

I would also agree with WASA as concerns being in the health care profession and obesity and weight loss surgery. Being banded required me to learn as much as everyone else... and I still am.

I'm sorry to hear that peoples' feelings were being hurt and I hope they don't let that keep them from posting. However, if a hurt feeling saves a person from the possible complications that can arise from not following post-op instructions, it's a small sacrafice.

[WASaBubbleButt 41]

Elisabeth...

Do you think the learning part EVER ends??? (sigh)

I don't think so! ;o)

Good post.

[heartfire 4]

I'm not banded... yet. Hopefully sometime this year.

I am REALLY wanting to remember this thread for when post-op bandster hell kicks in. I'm so scared that what I know I SHOULD do and what I WANT to do will be a war and that the WANT side will win. I have no will-power, that's how I got in this place. I love food, actually I sometimes hate the fact that I need to eat and like it so much. I eat way too big a portions every time I sit down. It's good, I want to keep eating it even though my stomach says you need to stop. How do you "Long-timers" change your head about that? I know it's a head thing. How do you get it straight in your head that you need to a) follow dr's orders, :crying: take small bites, c) chew til the cows come home home, etc.?

I want to thank Faith, Susan, CW, LJM, Wasa, and others for their wisdom and for not holding back. I'm trying so hard to be informed, educated and prepared for what's to come. Thank you again. I'm so blessed to have found this site.:thumbup:

[coltonwade 27]

I've been an RN for over 25 years and my advise is to always follow whatever your MD recommends. There is often a fine line between advice and opinion and I have to sometimes step back and reread something before posting it.

I don't think anyone intentionally wants to give "bad" advice to another person but when it comes to questions that seek permission to alter the person's post-op plan of care, there really only is (in my opinion) ONE response and that's "check with your MD/follow your MD's instructions."

I was hungry toward the end of the 2nd post-op week of liquids so I called the surgeon's office and spoke with a PA. She told me I could add a few ounces (no more than 4) of part skim or low fat ricotta cheese to my diet once a day. That got me through the rest of the liquid phase. However, had she told me I had to stick with only liquids, I would have done it.

I would also agree with WASA as concerns being in the health care profession and obesity and weight loss surgery. Being banded required me to learn as much as everyone else... and I still am.

I'm sorry to hear that peoples' feelings were being hurt and I hope they don't let that keep them from posting. However, if a hurt feeling saves a person from the possible complications that can arise from not following post-op instructions, it's a small sacrafice.

from someone who Plans on being a nurse one day ( sigh if i ever get my a$$ back to school ) I am curious about something. Since ya'll are nurses , for those of you who are , is there not a fine line between say giving advice as a patient and as a nurse ? What is considered giving out medical advice ?

Does that make sense ? Basically what COULD you get in trouble for ?

Mindy

[coltonwade 27]

STFU and follow your Doctor's orders.

I have nothing more to offer.

Well that pretty much sums it up !

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that is pretty straight and too the point !!