Slider foods and dumping

[kcuster83 1,504]

I have looked up slider foods for a general idea but it is my understanding they can differ from person to person.

How do you know if you are eating a slider food? Do you just never get full?

Second part: I DO NOT want to dump, as I am sure none of us do. I track everything I eat and keep it low sugar and fat.

How do you find your limits? Just slowing increase and hope for the best? Or do you just do your best and if it happens, reevaluate what you ate and learn from it?

[ShoppGirl 4,782]

I haven’t ever dumped (I had sleeve) but I do have a slider food which is chips/popcorn. I have never felt restriction kick in. It seems like I could eat a huge movie theatre bucket without feeling full although I’ve never tried.

[kcuster83 1,504]

That's what I thought as far as the sliders, you just never feel full and can keep eating. So really, do the calories count? haha JP JP!

No dumping here either, but it is my understanding it is more common with bypass than with sleeve. I had bypass and I am paranoid about it. I guess that's a good thing though because it keeps me very aware of what I am eating.

[ShoppGirl 4,782]

1 minute ago, kcuster83 said:

That's what I thought as far as the sliders, you just never feel full and can keep eating. So really, do the calories count? haha JP JP!

No dumping here either, but it is my understanding it is more common with bypass than with sleeve. I had bypass and I am paranoid about it. I guess that's a good thing though because it keeps me very aware of what I am eating.

Yea I hear it is really not fun. I sorta wish I had something like that to keep me in line.

[kcuster83 1,504]

2 minutes ago, ShoppGirl said:

Yea I hear it is really not fun. I sorta wish I had something like that to keep me in line.

Yes, I can understand that. It is like a secret weapon.

[Splenda 257]

I had bypass and I've never had true dumping, the way other people describe it. A friend who had bypass said that it is basically like having all day diarrhea.

The closest that I come to a slider food is saltines. I try to combat it by making sure that I always eat saltines with something (cheese, canned fish, etc) that will help fill me up. So if you do discover a slider food, try to pair with other foods.

1 hour ago, kcuster83 said:

How do you find your limits? Just slowing increase and hope for the best? Or do you just do your best and if it happens, reevaluate what you ate and learn from it?

Yes. You slowly increase, be careful, do your best, learn and respond. My surgeon's PA, once I was fully healed, said, "You need to safely find your limits. Don't gorge, don't go crazy. But try different foods and see how your body responds."

[kcuster83 1,504]

2 minutes ago, Splenda said:

I had bypass and I've never had true dumping, the way other people describe it. A friend who had bypass said that it is basically like having all day diarrhea.

The closest that I come to a slider food is saltines. I try to combat it by making sure that I always eat saltines with something (cheese, canned fish, etc) that will help fill me up. So if you do discover a slider food, try to pair with other foods.

Yes. You slowly increase, be careful, do your best, learn and respond. My surgeon's PA, once I was fully healed, said, "You need to safely find your limits. Don't gorge, don't go crazy. But try different foods and see how your body responds."

Sounds too risky for me. HAHA I had heard some serious horror stories. So far, I don't have any cravings so I am not too worried about it for now, it is easy to just not eat it. I am sure that will change though, I never really craved sugary things before surgery either. I have always been more of a salty/carb girl.

I ate a TINY BITE of pit beef that didn't agree with me at all and I was sick for a solid 12 hrs. It was horrible, I couldn't imagine what dumping is like.

My NUT just told me to continue to try new foods and watch sugar and fat. Try one at a time so you know what your body doesn't agree with and then I can try again in a few weeks or months. Sometimes some things take longer than others.

So far, the pit beef was the only thing I have had an issue with.

[Splenda 257]

22 minutes ago, kcuster83 said:

Sounds too risky for me. HAHA I had heard some serious horror stories. So far, I don't have any cravings so I am not too worried about it for now, it is easy to just not eat it. I am sure that will change though, I never really craved sugary things before surgery either. I have always been more of a salty/carb girl.

 I ate a TINY BITE of pit beef that didn't agree with me at all and I was sick for a solid 12 hrs. It was horrible, I couldn't imagine what dumping is like.

My NUT just told me to continue to try new foods and watch sugar and fat. Try one at a time so you know what your body doesn't agree with and then I can try again in a few weeks or months. Sometimes some things take longer than others.

So far, the pit beef was the only thing I have had an issue with.

I had a similar issue with some stewed beef about 6-8 weeks out from surgery. I could tell immediately that my body wanted nothing to do with it. I am sure that I could eat it now.

[lizonaplane 1,612]

2 hours ago, Splenda said:

I had a similar issue with some stewed beef about 6-8 weeks out from surgery. I could tell immediately that my body wanted nothing to do with it. I am sure that I could eat it now.

Yeah, just because something doesn't work for you a month or two after surgery doesn't mean you will NEVER be able to eat it again. I'm 8 months out and I still can't eat salad, but I can now eat everything else.

Slider foods to me are things that are so heavily processed that they break down into nothing in the stomach, so they don't make you full. For me, things like Cookies or Desserts. I can eat them after I'm "stuffed" with Protein. I try to be careful about eating those, for lots of reasons.

[Tomo 1,191]

I have looked up slider foods for a general idea but it is my understanding they can differ from person to person.
How do you know if you are eating a slider food? Do you just never get full?

Second part: I DO NOT want to dump, as I am sure none of us do. I track everything I eat and keep it low sugar and fat.
How do you find your limits? Just slowing increase and hope for the best? Or do you just do your best and if it happens, reevaluate what you ate and learn from it?

From my understanding, slider foods are usually food that begin breaking down in your mouth, like chips, crackers, cake, candy and Cookies. So they go right through the sleeve and rny pouch. Comfort food. So the simple carbohydrates do not give us that tightness feeling aka restriction so you can eat a much larger amount. Hence, the popular rule, Protein first.

I have never dumped but the closest i can was my heart racing after eating Cereal. It was uncomfortable. Felt like a heart attack lol

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[kcuster83 1,504]

2 minutes ago, Tomo said:

From my understanding, slider foods are usually food that begin breaking down in your mouth, like chips, crackers, cake, candy and Cookies. So they go right through the sleeve and rny pouch. Comfort food. So the simple carbohydrates do not give us that tightness feeling aka restriction so you can eat a much larger amount. Hence, the popular rule, Protein first.

I have never dumped but the closest i can was my heart racing after eating Cereal. It was uncomfortable. Felt like a heart attack lol

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Oh man, that does not sound fun.

[The Greater Fool 2,023]

Slider foods are not directly linked to dumping foods.

Dumping foods are easy to identify if you dump which I do. Sugars and fats are what can make me dump. Symptoms include palpitations, sweating, chills, fatigue, diarrhea. For me they also don't last that long, perhaps 30 minutes to 2 or 3 hours, usually an hour or two after eating / drinking the offending food. Dumping is not consistent in that I will be more likely to dump when I am fatigued, sick, or stressed. Even a change in medications can throw me off enough to make dumping easier.

Dumping helped keep me on the straight and narrow. candy, Cookies, cakes, are just not appealing anymore. I can eat a bite if something does appeal, more than that and I risk dumping which is something not to be experienced eating out.

Slider foods are as the name implies, foods that once you chew them just slide through easily making it easier to eat more and more. These types of foods were very much discouraged as they were generally empty nutritionally. Slider foods are dangerous as their nature is eating more and more. It's like the Lay's tag line "You can never eat just one... bag." and eating more and more of anything was contrary to what I was trying to achieve. Since slider foods are easy to eat and eat they can be a trap. I can't say I avoid slider foods completely, but I generally avoid them because I don't need them getting in my head.

@Tomo you are indeed dumping on cereal. I also dump on cereal to about the same degree, so I generally avoid it.

Good luck,

Tek

[Healthy4longerlife 14]

3 hours ago, The Greater Fool said:

Slider foods are not directly linked to dumping foods.

Dumping foods are easy to identify if you dump which I do. Sugars and fats are what can make me dump. Symptoms include palpitations, sweating, chills, fatigue, diarrhea. For me they also don't last that long, perhaps 30 minutes to 2 or 3 hours, usually an hour or two after eating / drinking the offending food. Dumping is not consistent in that I will be more likely to dump when I am fatigued, sick, or stressed. Even a change in medications can throw me off enough to make dumping easier.

Dumping helped keep me on the straight and narrow. candy, Cookies, cakes, are just not appealing anymore. I can eat a bite if something does appeal, more than that and I risk dumping which is something not to be experienced eating out.

Slider foods are as the name implies, foods that once you chew them just slide through easily making it easier to eat more and more. These types of foods were very much discouraged as they were generally empty nutritionally. Slider foods are dangerous as their nature is eating more and more. It's like the Lay's tag line "You can never eat just one... bag." and eating more and more of anything was contrary to what I was trying to achieve. Since slider foods are easy to eat and eat they can be a trap. I can't say I avoid slider foods completely, but I generally avoid them because I don't need them getting in my head.

@Tomo you are indeed dumping on Cereal. I also dump on Cereal to about the same degree, so I generally avoid it.

Good luck,

Tek

I kind of wish I had this. Im 5 months post op Bypass and I do not dump, I can eat a lot of sugar , my issue is the learning how to eat slow when I used to devour all my food whole. now if i space out for 1 second and have 1 bite without chewing i feel the pain, all my pain has come from eating too fast, not too much sugar, I can eat candy and know its bad for me, but never have I dumped, I have passed out a few times after drinking too quickly after eating or after not shewing chicken well enough and drinking 30 minutes later. I guess we each have our own journey through it all. I just need to stay eating healthy 95% of of the time and I will be fine. Im down about 120 pounds in 5 months. so now 40 pounds from my goal weight!