Alcohol 3 weeks post sleeve op.

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1 minute ago, Pollito said:

You're allowed to have judgemental opinions, I'm allowed to have opinions on your opinions and so your circular logic progresses, irrelevant to the point though it may be.

Opinions are judgements. So you saying that I'm the only judgemental person here isn't exactly right. You yourself are judgemental as well because you stated your opinion.

On 4/23/2022 at 12:14 PM, Pollito said:

And people saying "just have a coke" don't really understand.

My original reply to you was in reply to this ☝️

You said we don't understand your way of thinking.

So I said you don't understand my way of thinking.

I think we've covered this thoroughly at this point.

No one understands each others stance, and we're all judgemental.

Well done. Now we can move on.

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15 minutes ago, Pollito said:

No idea what this means. You're trying to scare people without evidence.

Actually, I don't care.

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16 minutes ago, BypassingMyPhatAss said:

Opinions are judgements

And that's the straw man and I claim my $5. Providing an opinion doesn't make one opinionated. Providing a judgement doesn't make one judgemental. The OP said she wanted a drink at a wedding. You implied she didn't know how to have fun without being inebriated. It's no wonder the OP hasn't returned to this thread with you hanging around.

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9 minutes ago, LilaNicole20 said:

Actually, I don't care.

For anyone reading this: there's no evidence that vaping is intrinsically harmful at all.

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20 minutes ago, Pollito said:

For anyone reading this: there's no evidence that vaping is intrinsically harmful at all.

No evidence does NOT mean that it is not harmful! What a joke.

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2 minutes ago, LilaNicole20 said:

No evidence does NOT mean that it is not harmful! What a joke.

Yes that's literally what it means.

[ShoppGirl 5,016]

i just found this in a quick google search.

It is not known how safe or how unsafe these products are. September of 2019 saw a rash of nearly 500 cases of respiratory illness linked to vaping throughout the US, according to the CDC, which reports symptoms to include cough, chest pain, nausea, shortness of breath, vomiting or diarrhea. As of September, six had died of "vaping lung disease." The exact component of vape Fluid had not been identified as of that time, but illness seems to affect users of both nicotine and cannabis e-cigarettes.

“While this investigation is ongoing, consider not using e-cigarette products,” the CDC advised as of Sept. 6. They further state, regardless of the ongoing investigation, youth, young adults and women who are pregnant should not use e-cigarette products

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Here is the full article.

https://www.medicinenet.com/e-cigarettes_vs_cigarettes/article.htm

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1 minute ago, Pollito said:

Yes that's literally what it means.

Literally, that is not what that means. Vaping is still fairly new. Give it 20+ years, then respond factually.

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2 minutes ago, ShoppGirl said:

Here is the full article.

https://www.medicinenet.com/e-cigarettes_vs_cigarettes/article.htm

Thanks. Some of the article is frankly insane. Yes - vaping hasn't been tested for 20 years. No have nicotine gum/patches etc. This line too

"They also suggest people do not start smoking e-cigarettes for fun or for quitting any tobacco products".

Vaping has been singularly effective in helping people quit smoking - smoking which actually causes cancer. Proving a negative is next to impossible and something that isn't demanded from anything else - we don't develop a new Shampoo and say, wait 20 years and see if it causes cancer. We look at the ingredients and our understanding of carcinogens and make an informed opinion. Two more things: people died from vaping because they were vaping poison. You can die from eating chicken that's infected by salmonella - that means the salmonella is dangerous, not the chicken.

And apparently nicotine is dangerous because it's addictive? No, nicotine in usual doses is harmless. And as ever, it's the dose that makes the poison.

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8 minutes ago, LilaNicole20 said:

Literally, that is not what that means. Vaping is still fairly new. Give it 20+ years, then respond factually.

This reminds me of the whole Lap Band thing. So many people jumped on the bandwagon with it when it was new. Then it came full circle as a failure and even harmful for some people.

Vape is the Lap Band of the weed world. 😂

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Again, I'm afraid to say, US sources display a frightening bias. Here, from the UK NHS:

https://www.nhs.uk/live-well/quit-smoking/using-e-cigarettes-to-stop-smoking/

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2 minutes ago, Pollito said:

Thanks. Some of the article is frankly insane. Yes - vaping hasn't been tested for 20 years. No have nicotine gum/patches etc. This line too

"They also suggest people do not start smoking e-cigarettes for fun or for quitting any tobacco products".

Vaping has been singularly effective in helping people quit smoking - smoking which actually causes cancer. Proving a negative is next to impossible and something that isn't demanded from anything else - we don't develop a new Shampoo and say, wait 20 years and see if it causes cancer. We look at the ingredients and our understanding of carcinogens and make an informed opinion. Two more things: people died from vaping because they were vaping poison. You can die from eating chicken that's infected by salmonella - that means the salmonella is dangerous, not the chicken.

And apparently nicotine is dangerous because it's addictive? No, nicotine in usual doses is harmless. And as ever, it's the dose that makes the poison.

Well I agree it is helpful In quitting smoking because I am an example of that but in all fairness my dr told me that vaping may actually be worse than smoking and it was not a good idea.

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Just now, BypassingMyPhatAss said:

This reminds me of the whole Lap Band thing. So many people jumped on the bandwagon with it when it was new. Then it came full circle as a failure and even harmful for some people.

Vape is the Lap Band of the weed world. 😂

Ah, science. New things, bad. So...smoking pipes, good?

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Just now, ShoppGirl said:

my dr told me that vaping may actually be worse than smoking

He's wrong.