help with post op diet

[mitty 0]

hi

im morbidly obese and cannot get any surgery

so i would like help with trying a post op diet.

i understand that it would be hard because

sometimes the hunger can be greatly reduced or gone

with the surgeries for some people

but i wouldnt be any more hungry trying a post op diet

as im always hungry now no matter what i try.

im looking for general instructions as i know i would

have gotten some with a surgery so it wouldnt need

to be exact in this case.

so basically what would be the amounts (volume)

of what foods and how frequent and maybe a calorie amount?

(for the time when people can begin solids post op)

thanks so much

[elcee 3,341]

Why can’t you get surgery?

[Frustr8 7,886]

Yeah, I was wondering too, with all the strikes the world🌎levied against me, I STILL. got mine!

[Healthy_life 1,437]

6 hours ago, mitty said:

cannot get any surgery

Not sure if you have been denied or if this is a financial issue for you. We understand how hard it is to lose weight.

Will a super restrictive diet be long term sustainable for you? Bariatric patients eat 800-900 calories in the first months. Can you get a referral to see a dietician to help you find a food plan?

A food log app is valuable and eye opening. It will calculate and set a calorie, carb, Protein, and fat goals. Hitting these macros will put your body in weight loss mode.

Many apps out there:

Loseit

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.fitnow.loseit&hl=en_US

my fitness pal

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.myfitnesspal.android

I wish you the best.

Jenn

[mitty 0]

im not able to get the surgery due to many reasons

biggest being financial.

next being that the wait time is so long

that i would be really old (not joking)

so it would probably put me at even a more

risk getting it done.

i dont mind calorie restriction for however long

but it has never worked

but on the other hand i have not

done seriously low calorie restrictions.

i cant even get appetite suppression meds

as that's financial too.

i really want to live longer

and losing weight would rid me of

several health issues.

[mousecat88 2,281]

I was told 800-1000 calories must be maintained for the rest of my life. 63g of Protein a day. And (long-term) no more than 100 carbs a day, but I am currently way below that. HOWEVER, at least with bypass, the reason it helps so much is because as you lose weight, your metabolism increases to match your new weight. When you are dieting, even if you lose weight, you still have the metabolism of a fat person... which is why it is so hard to lose weight to begin with and keep it off. There's a lot of new NIH studies about this energy expenditure difference in bypass patients versus dieters. It certainly isn't impossible, but restricting yourself to so few calories with a normal-sized stomach will probably be utterly miserable. I can tell you there's a lot of 60+ year old patients on this forum that can give you advice if you're worried about the surgery due to age. Not to mention, with calorie restriction comes to need to take supplements, which can be considered expensive to some, too. Mine cost about 40$ a month. And you need regular lab work to make sure you're not deficient.

Edited December 21, 2018 by mousecat88

[mitty 0]

im not going to be able to

get the surgery

what should i do?

the dietician food plans ive gotten

since i was 14 and forced to begin

dieting- even at a good thin healthy weight-

dont work.

ive already tried everything (except what i financially cant do)

thats why im resorting to this type of thing.

ive been thru my meds and reduced them - the ones

that could be holding me back.

ive exercised 4 hours a day only to maintain

a healthy weight but i cant do hardly any now

with age and health conditions. (mainly pain)

and have been trying to find exercises that dont hurt.

so im at a loss and need something more extreme.

like wls without the actual surgery.

i have no problem with 100 grams carbs.

my aim right now is way less some days i hit 0

and with as high of Protein as i can.

nothing nothing nothing

whats wrong?

[mitty 0]

so i got some very good Vitamins

with a high absorbability rate

and i do get blood work every 3 months.

i looked at some of the posts here

and this is a summary:

calories-- 500 to start with going to 800 to 1000 for life

1/4 to 1/2 cup of food 2 to 6 times a day

vitamins and blood work

high Protein from 63 to 80 grams

less than 100 grams carbs

less than 5 grams of fat and sugar at a time

(or in a day im not sure)

this was gleaned from several different posts

does this sound about right?

for me to try?

[Healthy_life 1,437]

6 hours ago, mitty said:

so i got some very good Vitamins

with a high absorbability rate

and i do get blood work every 3 months.

i looked at some of the posts here

and this is a summary:

calories-- 500 to start with going to 800 to 1000 for life

1/4 to 1/2 cup of food 2 to 6 times a day

Vitamins and blood work

high Protein from 63 to 80 grams

less than 100 grams carbs

less than 5 grams of fat and sugar at a time

(or in a day im not sure)

this was gleaned from several different posts

does this sound about right?

for me to try?

All of us here have struggled with our weight. Diets did not work for us long term. This is the reason we had surgery....... Some things to think about and try .

Pre -operation weight loss:

I had a six month weight loss requirement by my insurance. Many people here are also losing weight without surgery to get approval. It's a more realistic diet plan. People in pre op phase can relate to what you are going through. They will be a great support system.

Pre op weight loss for me was 1000 to 1200 calories 60 to 100 grams Protein - 50 to 80 grams carbs - Carbs came from mostly plant based sources-( no bread, rice Pasta or processed food)

My dieticians bariatric recipes - Nutrition should be flavorful to sustain it long term:

http://insidekarenskitchen.com/bariatric-friendly-recipes/

Food log and drink plenty of water:

Log your food in myfitnesspal or lose it . It becomes habit and much easier to do over time- If you are not logging you have no idea where your calories actually are. You can't out exercise a poor diet - Knowing your calories and macros will make a difference.

food app downloads:

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.myfitnesspal.android&hl=en_US

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.fitnow.loseit

Search for pre op weight loss in the search option on this site for support:

https://www.bariatricpal.com/topic/416984-pre-op-weight-loss/?tab=comments#comment-4661471

https://www.bariatricpal.com/topic/421170-weight-loss-pre-surgery-doctor-required/?tab=comments#comment-4720075

https://www.bariatricpal.com/topic/421661-what-is-expected-weight-loss-in-pre-op-diet-anybody-else-had-issues-with-menstrual-due-to-diet/?tab=comments#comment-4727598

[Frustr8 7,886]

And mitty, often things can be worked out for financing if you can show need.
Too old- Oh my my, I am 73 years old in 2 days and I still had mine. Surely you aren't as Me! And also don't try waiting as long as I did, you fight an uphill battle to receive IT THEN.
And I was a veteran of every diet you have ever heard of and some you surely haven't. The weight you lose without surgery has a frustrating way of rebounding and bringing more with it. That's why it commonly is called yo-yo dieting and it, in the long run , bad for you.