Lap-Band Doctors in Sonora Mexico

[skinnyplease 0]

Do more research.

Dr. Aceves has been a proctor surgeon for Inamed for a number of years.

Do more research?! I called Allergan and they told me that doctor is NOT one of their proctors. Are you saying they are lying or they don't know who their own proctors are?

[WASaBubbleButt 41]

Do more research?! I called Allergan and they told me that doctor is NOT one of their proctors. Are you saying they are lying or they don't know who their own proctors are?

No, it's not Inamed that is lying. I called Allergan (Don Mills) after reading your post because I knew you were providing incorrect info and he said Dr. Aceves has been one of their proctor surgeons for several years.

He's gone all over the world training other docs in the Inamed band and teaching them to place it as well as other docs going to Mexicali where he trains them.

Here we go again with someone creating an ID just to post incorrect information about another doctor. Two of two posts are providing incorrect info about a doc. Rumbaut is not the only Mexican surgeon that is a proctor considering it was the Mexican surgeons who trained the US surgeons when the band was first approved in the US by the FDA. Ortiz and Rodriguez are also proctor surgeons but when YOU called they claimed only Rumbaut was a proctor?

Don't people feel their doc can do their own advertising without posting wrong info about others?

[crawford0052 0]

Please tell me more about Dr. Rodriegez. Do you know of a new facility in Juarez across the border from El Paso ---Hospital Angeles?

Please don't fight with Skinny, Your posts are SO helpful.

[skinnyplease 0]

No, it's not Inamed that is lying. I called Allergan (Don Mills) after reading your post because I knew you were providing incorrect info and he said Dr. Aceves has been one of their proctor surgeons for several years.

He's gone all over the world training other docs in the Inamed band and teaching them to place it as well as other docs going to Mexicali where he trains them.

Here we go again with someone creating an ID just to post incorrect information about another doctor. Two of two posts are providing incorrect info about a doc. Rumbaut is not the only Mexican surgeon that is a proctor considering it was the Mexican surgeons who trained the US surgeons when the band was first approved in the US by the FDA. Ortiz and Rodriguez are also proctor surgeons but when YOU called they claimed only Rumbaut was a proctor?

Don't people feel their doc can do their own advertising without posting wrong info about others?

So if someone disagrees with you they are advertising? I think you are the one advertising.

I didn't say that Rumbaut was the only proctor. I was told by don mills that Rumbaut, Lopez and Ortiz are/were the proctors for them in Mexico. Rodriguez and Aceves are/were not. Allergan has mostly been using Americans to proctor other Americans the last several years and the Mexican drs were mostly used prior to that. He also told me that I shouldn't use that as my only guide.

I don't know if Dr. Aceves and Dr. Rodriguez are good lapband surgeons or not, but if they are saying they are proctors for allergan I don't like the deception,

By the way, since you are quoting complication stats, I would like to know your stats for complications for Rumbaut and Aceves. I would also like to know how you got those stats.

[WASaBubbleButt 41]

So if someone disagrees with you they are advertising? I think you are the one advertising.

I didn't say that Rumbaut was the only proctor. I was told by don mills that Rumbaut, Lopez and Ortiz are/were the proctors for them in Mexico. Rodriguez and Aceves are/were not. Allergan has mostly been using Americans to proctor other Americans the last several years and the Mexican drs were mostly used prior to that. He also told me that I shouldn't use that as my only guide.

I don't know if Dr. Aceves and Dr. Rodriguez are good lapband surgeons or not, but if they are saying they are proctors for allergan I don't like the deception,

By the way, since you are quoting complication stats, I would like to know your stats for complications for Rumbaut and Aceves. I would also like to know how you got those stats.

If someone is seriously researching doctors and sincerely interested I'll bend over backwards for them. You are here just to cause problems.

I'm not playing your game.

[mom2knk 0]

I ran into the same problem. I heard about Dr Rodriguez through Belite but couldn't find out a lot about him on their website. I believe it's a work in progress. I did find out more info on him by visiting mylapbandsurgery.com It helped me, maybe it will help you.

[skinnyplease 0]

If someone is seriously researching doctors and sincerely interested I'll bend over backwards for them. You are here just to cause problems.

I'm not playing your game.

You have proclaimed yourself to be some kind of expert on the subject of surgeons in Mexico and lap banding in general. Yet when asked to provide proof or sources of your information, you decide "not to play". You have claimed to have inside sources of information about how to check up on Mexican surgeons from the Mexican government, yet you haven't shared that with anyone here. Now you are pushing Dr. Rodriquez too. I find it funny that your doctor and Dr. Rodriquez are being pimped by BeLiteWeight too. You are right about 1 thing, no one should believe anything written on these boards. Including what you write! No one without something to gain spends as much time as you do writing on these and other boards!

[crawford0052 0]

I wish now that I had not asked for help in choosing a surgeon. I only wanted advice and encouragement, and I am thankful for the objective replies I have received. As you all know, it is a very difficult decision to make alone. I am really starting to rethink the whole concept....I did not want to start unpleasantness.:confused:My head is spinning and I'm in turmoil.

[mistyone 0]

Hi Crawford,

You are looking for help finding a surgeon and that is hard to do. I would be happy to tell you about my experience with my surgeon. I was very happy with the care, aftercare and the hosptial. You can pm me if you want to hear my story.

[WASaBubbleButt 41]

You have proclaimed yourself to be some kind of expert on the subject of surgeons in Mexico and lap banding in general.

No, I have not. Read the link in my sig again. I explain it very carefully. I show how I did my own research.

Yet when asked to provide proof or sources of your information, you decide "not to play".

No, I don't play games with people who use multiple IDs. As I carefully explained to you earlier I will bend over backwards and help someone do their research. I won't play your games and that is just something you'll have to learn to cope with. You have only posted under this ID to run around annoying me like a little yapping dog attached to my ankle.

You have claimed to have inside sources of information about how to check up on Mexican surgeons from the Mexican government, yet you haven't shared that with anyone here.

You mean links to Mexican websites to determine if a doc is certified in bariatric surgery? HA! Do you have the slightest idea how silly you sound? I have news for you, we have the same links in the US for the same research. They aren't secret and this isn't a conspiracy. They are public links. I also explained that I will put together a list of these links. I'm amused that this concerns you. These are not inside sources honey, these are public links on the internet.

I push research. I want people to research their surgeons, know their track records (and yes, sorry but that includes their stats), their history, their background, their EVERYTHING! Why is this such a horror for you? Most rational people would WANT people to do their research. Only a patient coordinator would not want someone to dig and get the info people need to make a decision on which doctor is best for them.

Now you are pushing Dr. Rodriquez too.

No, I am not. Someone asked about three docs and I gave her my opinion of those docs. ORTIZ and Rodriguez. In that order.

I find it funny that your doctor and Dr. Rodriquez are being pimped by BeLiteWeight too.

Belightweight does not exist anymore to my knowledge.

Now, this is my last post to you. You have shown your true colors with your conspiracy theories, manipulation, and such. Don't you have a chew toy to play with? Of course, you could always post under one of your many other IDs, you know... the more well known IDs?

Run along, we are done. I have yet to put anyone on ignore, feel special. You are a first.

[skinnyplease 0]

You mean links to Mexican websites to determine if a doc is certified in bariatric surgery? HA! Do you have the slightest idea how silly you sound? I have news for you, we have the same links in the US for the same research.

So post the links! While you're at it post the link or something in writing showing Allergan's proctors! How about a copy of the surgeon's certificate?

Belightweight does not exist anymore to my knowledge.

It's Belite or BeLiteWeight. They are alive and kicking and pimping your surgeon among others. But I think you already know that! They have a really bad reputation and I personally wouldn't want to be associated with anyone that is associated with them!

You turn things around and say that I am trashing this doctor or that doctor. I have said before that whether or not certain surgeons are good or not, is irrelevant. It's the lying that I have a big problem with! A person researching needs to see proof. If a surgeon claims to be a proctor, they have a certificate and should be able to send you a copy. If they are a member of a medical association, they will have a certificate for that too! The ASBS and FACS, etc all issue certificates to their members. You can then find their names on the organization's website.

ok, come on wasa. We know you always have to have the last word.

[jimmyjoe 0]

:)I am being banded by Dr.Aceves on the 16th of Nov. and am so excited. I went to the hospital and had a tour a couple of weeks ago....very impressive!! I was also able to talk to some of the patients that had the surgery the day before and meet some patients there for fills....I heard no bad from these patients.

Laurieu I hope everything went ok.

Do more research.

Dr. Aceves has been a proctor surgeon for Inamed for a number of years. As for the the tricky procedures, ask the docs who they refer to. Inamed doesn't refer patients to anyone when their case is complicated. So you'll have to go to the source.

And yes, even with one post you can get the same info as others. :scared:

Dr. Aceves and Dr. Rumbaut are excellent surgeons, either one can do a fantastic job for just about anyone.

Thank you for strongly advocating research Wasa. I was also considering Dr. Aceves because I had heard some good things but now I'm holding off and reconsidering. Please read this very sad note:

http://www.obesityhelp.com/member/thintowin/uzone,blog/action,comments/blog_id,67644/blog_post_id,58285/

Sometimes a doctor's experience and good judgement has to come into question. I'll rethink my options for weight loss surgery.

[WASaBubbleButt 41]

Yep, I know all about that person. There is a person here, Shirley, that had surgery the same day as Patricia.

If the person writing that link actually knows Patricia she would know it was not an infection that happened but heart failure. Ever meet a person that has a LONG heart history and without weight loss they will have more heart problems and more heart attacks? How many heart attacks can a person have?

There is a great deal more to that story. Such as a botched bypass job in the US that caused huge problems and US docs wouldn't touch her because she might mess with their stats.

If you were an ethical doc would you just pass her off to someone else so your stats would look better or would you try and do what you could for the patient? It was kind of one of those situations. Me... I'd rather have a doc that is more concerned with taking care of patients in need vs. what it might do to my stats. Patricia, the family, and Dr. A knew the huge risks going into this. The patient and family wanted to at least try. The botched bypass job HAD to be repaired, no way around that. That meant a patient with many comorbidities had to be in surgery longer, more anesthesia time, more lots of things.

The family was not angry with Dr. Aceves and they were actually IN Mexicali unlike the person that wrote the above. If the family was appreciative that someone TRIED, then the person that wrote the above is merely posting with an agenda. Actually, I don't think she was posting with an agenda. Ever meet someone that thrives on spreading bad news around? I have a sister that does that. I get the impression she liked making it appear as though she had a clue what was really going on. Truth is, she doesn't even know what all happened in Mexicali. The family does and they are not angry.

I don't know the whole story but I know more than that poster wrote. And I know that the family of Patricia has since sent one of their other relatives to Dr. A for a band. If he was such a horror and killed their loved one, would the family of the patient that died send another person there?

I mean, look at Dr. Gonzalez, he has a 4% erosion stat and that number came from Dr. G's office. Jennypoo posted the email she received from them a few weeks ago. While I admire the fact that he is honest about it I question why his stats are so very high yet the rest of the docs in Mexico (the good ones) have less than 1/2% erosion?

You have to look at the whole picture, not a single issue. Unless you know all the details of a single issue it goes back to what someone was trying to do to Ortiz. One person screams out of 4000. Do we pay attention to one person or the other 3999? Especially when that person doesn't even come back to explain anything or answer questions?

I also know of an infection that Dr. A had. Guy got a bypass and in LESS than 1 day after surgery his wife decided to sneak Mickey D's to her husband. With gastric bypass the stomach is stapled off and it needs time to heal or it will cause a leak and then an infection. He was on Clear liquids and IV fluids per Dr. Aceves and instead he ate a cheeseburger and soda. Guess what? He ripped out his staples, got a leak, and Dr. A had to take him back to OR and fix the leak and infection. Was that Dr. A's fault? Or the patient?

The wife was running around telling everyone that Dr. A caused an infection. Well, he didn't. He didn't cram a cheeseburger down the guy's throat less than a day after gastric bypass yet the infection goes against his stats. It's just the way it works.

The wife posting all this nonsense also doesn't mention that FIVE days after her husbands leak/infection she asked Dr. A do to her own revision. She had failed bypass (gosh, no clue why she wasn't successful in light of the cheeseburger incident!) and she asked for a revision to a band procedure. If Dr. A was such a horror why did she have him do her revision surgery from bypass to band five days after her own husband's leak and infection? People don't always tell the whole story.

If you don't feel comfortable with Dr. A then I would suggest you not go there. You need to feel comfortable with your doc.

[jimmyjoe 0]

Did you actually read the person's post on Obesity Help Forum? Because somehow it seems like you didn't read it.

The person posting does not sound at all like she has any agenda at all other than telling about her friend's tragedy. I feel for her loss and I am aware that all surgery has risk, but you are saying things that are completely different from a person close to the family. Jami was there. She says nothing about any botched bypass, but instead tells that her friend had been approved for bypass by her insurance company in the U.S. but was convinced by her daughter to go to doctor Aceves for a lap band instead. She says nothing about multiple heart attacks only of her friend going back into surgery with doctor Aceves who found a ruptured intestine after he had put in the lap band and everything went from bad to worse after. They had to call in an Internist, I thought the hospital was a full service hospital and had such a specialist. The person who posted does seem to know what happened, she was there. Unless you were there like Jami, I don't see why you are changing facts.

No one is trying to blame anyone, so I don't see why your version is completely different than the actual close family friend that was there when Patricia died. I just feel it's a very sad tragedy. Who's to say what would have happened if she had gotten the surgery she was approved for in the States instead of surgery in Mexico.

I really don't want to discuss Patricia's tragedy any more.

All I want to say is that I feel that standards are different in the U.S. and that if at first I was considering Mexico, after reading the post on OH I am seriously reconsidering weight loss surgery. If I decide to get surgery, I will definitely be doing more research on U.S. doctors.

[coltonwade 27]

Did you actually read the person's post on Obesity Help Forum? Because somehow it seems like you didn't read it.

The person posting does not sound at all like she has any agenda at all other than telling about her friend's tragedy. I feel for her loss and I am aware that all surgery has risk, but you are saying things that are completely different from a person close to the family. Jami was there. She says nothing about any botched bypass, but instead tells that her friend had been approved for bypass by her insurance company in the U.S. but was convinced by her daughter to go to doctor Aceves for a lap band instead. She says nothing about multiple heart attacks only of her friend going back into surgery with doctor Aceves who found a ruptured intestine after he had put in the lap band and everything went from bad to worse after. They had to call in an Internist, I thought the hospital was a full service hospital and had such a specialist. The person who posted does seem to know what happened, she was there. Unless you were there like Jami, I don't see why you are changing facts.

No one is trying to blame anyone, so I don't see why your version is completely different than the actual close family friend that was there when Patricia died. I just feel it's a very sad tragedy. Who's to say what would have happened if she had gotten the surgery she was approved for in the States instead of surgery in Mexico.

I really don't want to discuss Patricia's tragedy any more.

All I want to say is that I feel that standards are different in the U.S. and that if at first I was considering Mexico, after reading the post on OH I am seriously reconsidering weight loss surgery. If I decide to get surgery, I will definitely be doing more research on U.S. doctors.

I was going to stay out of this topic. However, If you think that something like this cant happen in the US your saddly mistaken. Look at what just happened to Kayne Wests Mom . And she paid LOTS Of money for her surgery and didnt "bargain" shop for her surgery as I feel some people try to do for lap band. Are the standards Different in Mexico ? I dont know that for sure so i wont say .

What Was is trying to do now and has for as long as I have seen her on this board is educate people about something she's been through !

And I do not feel that that is wrong . Have you been banded in Mexico or the US ? Dont you think someone who has done research on this matter for a VERY Long time and HAS been banded might know just a TAD bit more about the process than someone who has not ?

SO many people want this band so bandly they see the lowest price they find and jump on the plane to where ever that price leads them with out any research on the docs. Some even do the research but do not CARE to hear what they see. First hand experience is the BEST experience.

Mindy