Carbs!

[kakatlady612 1,053]

Well in the beginning it was about a basic daily carbohydrate level, whooee how it transmogrified! I could have never predicted THIS.

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[FluffyChix 17,415]

Sorry OP! I will exit the thread now.

[kakatlady612 1,053]

Fluffy Chix are you adding Caramel Premier to that? For a nice mugfull I'll follow you home like a lost hound puppy.

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[GotProlactinoma 458]

Sad that the topic was derailed. My health share gave me a bonus fee plus a health coach calling every couple weeks due my weight. And when they heard I was having wls they transferred me to an amazing coach who has worked with thousands of Bariatric patients in a surgery clinic. Plus my nutritionist is really good too.

Carbs is a huge thing for weight maintenance and loss. Our gut biome creates our cravings. Cravings can be so powerful you sink your health and looks to put that thing in your mouth. And WE HUMANS are not causing or creating the cravings. The gut bacteria are. We have the power to change which bacteria make up our personal gut biome. We can slowly introduce species that live off healthy starches from tubers and veggies. We can starve away the kind that crave sugars, fruits, and empty carbs.

And we get the perfect time to start over with our gut population. Yes. When we basically stop eating for a bit and slowly reintroduce food, post weight loss surgery. We should be dishing constantly on these forums about how to have great digestion and loss, experimenting on our own and sharing, what has worked. How to get great gut populations that don’t make us crave chocolate cake. I believe it is THE secret to long time success with weight loss surgery.

we get a short time to change our diet’s CONTENT. Sure, calories have the ultimate effect on size, but cravings cause us to go off the rail. Many surgeons use frankly horrible nutritionists. They approve of sickly sweet Protein Shakes, fruity drinks, fake sugar and color loaded jellos and what not. The bad gut bugs will stay with you, continuing throughout your journey to beg you for sweet tasting ****. There is no change in gut biome there.

my nutritionist said no fruit for 6 months. Avoid any frankenfoods (fake sugar Jello would be an example). And my cravings for sweet things are gone, since survey til now 6 months out. If I do taste something like even gluten free bread I feel horrible. And I am glad I do. I eat to feel good. My carbs are veggies and seeds. I will eat maybe one bite of fruit I prepare for the family a day now.

So I think carbs are important. The gut bugs need them. But train your gut population to get their food from potato or sweet potato, taro, any root veggie. Roast some root veggies and keep them in the fridge for your carb to eat after your serving of Protein is eaten. They are so sweet roasted. And they love fibrous veggies (not salad thoughmuch) and seeds and nuts (I can’t eat nuts tho). But most carbs are totally empty.

Can This Thread Be Saved? I think it’s a great topic.

[kakatlady612 1,053]

Thank you for your submission. You make quite a few good points and I plan to implement in diet both now and post surgery

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[LaLaDee 519]

Apologies for my part in derailing the topic!! I can honestly understand and appreciate the different perspectives on some of the sensitive and important issues raised. We do need to be sensible on the internet. I think I'm probably going to remove my face from any photos I use here.

Back to the original topic, I'm low carb. Definitely not full Keto, because I do have sweet potato and banana or a couple of times a week (and there are net carbs in dark chocolate). I have noticed that my weight loss is faster when I lower carbs. I haven't had bread (other than a bite to see I could tolerate it), Pasta or rice since before my surgery. I know that fast weight loss shouldn't be the goal (if anything slower weight loss will help with the loose skin) but I want results and low carb has worked for me so far!!

[GotProlactinoma 458]

Me too, I was scared off rice expanding in the stomach so I have not touched it, ask for my salmon eggs at sushi restaurants with no rice please. The other day I got to be snack Mommy at kindergarten and I got my rice cake snack they made, and I didn’t touch it, been so scared off rice, even already expanded rice in the rice cake.

i am low carb too and I think the carbs you eat are good ones. We need a few good natural carbs every day and every meal. Keto is great for people with conditions that need it. Low carb is fine for losing. And some days you will be in keto. There are days where I don’t get food til 1 or 2 pm. So that would be keto for some hours.

[Little Green 583]

You guys, Larry derailed the topic. Honestly I think @BigViffer had the right idea and to me it's more likely Larry was a scammer than an actual perv. He cast a very wide net trying to find a mark, but we all reported him right away so he went bye-bye. I thought it was funny - but I'm really sorry it made people uncomfortable and I hope none of my jokey comments added to that discomfort.

[mylighthouse 782]

On 2/6/2018 at 9:59 PM, NervouslyExcited said:

On average oe many carbs do you tend to eat in a day?

@NervouslyExcited

I am 15 months post sleeve.

In the beginning, from about months 1 through 9, I kept my carbs at around 25-35 grams a day. I did really well with that, I went from 334 lbs (pre op diet) to 220 lbs. Then I stopped losing weight for a month or so, and increased my carbs to 45-65 grams a day. For me, that worked to get another 20 lbs off, bringing me to 195 lbs, but my weight kept bouncing around from 195-200.....the "bouncing" has been going on for almost 3 months now. I was very sick and landed in the hospital last week. I lost almost 10 pounds in a week, but only because I couldn't eat. Now I am at 189 lbs.

Trying to decide what to do with my carb count for the day. Perhaps I need to lower the carbs back down to less than 40 grams a day? I am starting to wonder if I am at my final resting place with the weight loss. If I am, it won't be the end of the world, but I really would like to reach my surgeon's goal for me (175 lbs).

Some really good advice from @GotProlactinoma on what kinds of carbs to eat and what kind to avoid.

[LaLaDee 519]

15 hours ago, GotProlactinoma said:

Sad that the topic was derailed. My health share gave me a bonus fee plus a health coach calling every couple weeks due my weight. And when they heard I was having wls they transferred me to an amazing coach who has worked with thousands of Bariatric patients in a surgery clinic. Plus my nutritionist is really good too.

Carbs is a huge thing for weight maintenance and loss. Our gut biome creates our cravings. Cravings can be so powerful you sink your health and looks to put that thing in your mouth. And WE HUMANS are not causing or creating the cravings. The gut bacteria are. We have the power to change which bacteria make up our personal gut biome. We can slowly introduce species that live off healthy starches from tubers and veggies. We can starve away the kind that crave sugars, fruits, and empty carbs.

And we get the perfect time to start over with our gut population. Yes. When we basically stop eating for a bit and slowly reintroduce food, post weight loss surgery. We should be dishing constantly on these forums about how to have great digestion and loss, experimenting on our own and sharing, what has worked. How to get great gut populations that don’t make us crave chocolate cake. I believe it is THE secret to long time success with weight loss surgery.

we get a short time to change our diet’s CONTENT. Sure, calories have the ultimate effect on size, but cravings cause us to go off the rail. Many surgeons use frankly horrible nutritionists. They approve of sickly sweet Protein Shakes, fruity drinks, fake sugar and color loaded jellos and what not. The bad gut bugs will stay with you, continuing throughout your journey to beg you for sweet tasting ****. There is no change in gut biome there.

my nutritionist said no fruit for 6 months. Avoid any frankenfoods (fake sugar Jello would be an example). And my cravings for sweet things are gone, since survey til now 6 months out. If I do taste something like even gluten free bread I feel horrible. And I am glad I do. I eat to feel good. My carbs are veggies and seeds. I will eat maybe one bite of fruit I prepare for the family a day now.

So I think carbs are important. The gut bugs need them. But train your gut population to get their food from potato or sweet potato, taro, any root veggie. Roast some root veggies and keep them in the fridge for your carb to eat after your serving of Protein is eaten. They are so sweet roasted. And they love fibrous veggies (not salad thoughmuch) and seeds and nuts (I can’t eat nuts tho). But most carbs are totally empty.

Can This Thread Be Saved? I think it’s a great topic.

I find this post really interesting. The more I read about the gut microbiome, the more worried I get about the western diet. Back in the fifties when people were eating meat and three vegetables every night (cooked with lard no less) there was far less obesity. Is it just a problem when carbs are highly processed with all the extra sugar? I love the idea that the surgery gives us a chance to reset our cravings. I have to admit that I don't eat much fruit, I prefer vegetables and salad. I am definitely still hooked on sugar sadly. I literally have a bit of dark chocolate every day.

[FluffyChix 17,415]

@LaLaDee If you follow @jess9395's footprints, (LOL if I remember correctly), you can extinguish your sweet tooth with this surgery--so you won't have that monkey on your back! Yay!! (And I don't think having 1 square of Lindt 85 Extra Dark chocolate would be a huge issue as long as it doesn't make you dump? Something we love even more that gives a chocolate fix without sugar are cacao nibs. They're a great source of antioxidants and flavenols!

[LaLaDee 519]

I have 85% or 70% if I’m feeling naughty. I’d love to get the chocolate monkey off my back. If there is chocolate in the house, I will find it. It’s my super power.

[MsTipps 314]

I don't think carbs agree with me. The only time I lose weight is if I keep them to a minimum and I get tummy pain if I have simple sugars. I'm planning on sticking with low carb, low fat recipes in the longterm x