A lil confused. Planning for post op stages 3,4,5

[lizpuller 6]

Dietician big proponent of low carb/ high Protein. Dr big proponent of low card/high fat(almost Keto in nature). Im thinking excess protein goes to sugar...so im leaning more to Dr side.what say ye?

[OutsideMatchInside 10,166]

Excess Protein does not go to sugar and to get to protein excess you would have to be consuming like 250 grams a day for months.

You should choose a way of eating that keeps you the most satisfied and that you can maintain for life.

I eat Keto but my protein grams are still higher than my fat grams because fat is higher in calories than protein.

So yeah my calories from fat are higher than my calories from protein but I still eat more protein than fat.

Edited May 26, 2017 by OutsideMatchInside

[Apple1 2,572]

I have found that eating higher portions of Protein will produce a delayed spike in my blood sugar. Pre-op if I ate 8 oz of steak my bs might be 125 2 hours post meal, but at 4 hours could be 145-150. I learned through testing that 6 oz was the max portion I should eat if I wanted my bs to be less than 140 2 hours post and continue going down. I think eating too much protein at a meal can and will cause a delayed spike in a diabetics bs, how much will cause it ? I think that depends on the individual.

I don't know about post op because I am not even eating meat yet, and I doubt I will ever be able to eat an 8 oz steak again. I can say drinking a Protein Shake with 20g does not spike me much at all and I am still off my medication thus far.

[Newme17 3,444]

3 hours ago, OutsideMatchInside said:

You should choose a way of eating that keeps you the most satisfied and that you can maintain for life.

Absolutely this. One size does not fit all. Hope you find it. 😊

[queendeborahbee 119]

My surgery was 4/17 I currently try eat chicken, turkey and black Beans because they keep satisfied. Dairy doesn't really stay in the sleeve as long, similar to eggs. Still under 500 calories a day, trying to up a Protein but that only occurs with Protein Shakes. The sleeve barely holds 1/4 cup of food.

[OutsideMatchInside 10,166]

1 hour ago, Apple1 said:

I have found that eating higher portions of Protein will produce a delayed spike in my blood sugar. Pre-op if I ate 8 oz of steak my bs might be 125 2 hours post meal, but at 4 hours could be 145-150. I learned through testing that 6 oz was the max portion I should eat if I wanted my bs to be less than 140 2 hours post and continue going down. I think eating too much Protein at a meal can and will cause a delayed spike in a diabetics bs, how much will cause it ? I think that depends on the individual.

I don't know about post op because I am not even eating meat yet, and I doubt I will ever be able to eat an 8 oz steak again. I can say drinking a Protein Shake with 20g does not spike me much at all and I am still off my medication thus far.

Well 8 ounces of steak is more than double what a portion should be. Any diabetic over eating is going to have spikes, that is also a lot of calories to consume at once.

I learned a long time ago being diabetic that I had to eat small portions and basically no carbs to avoid diabetes meds.

Luckily post-op, I am no longer diabetic.

[Apple1 2,572]

3 minutes ago, OutsideMatchInside said:

Well 8 ounces of steak is more than double what a portion should be. Any diabetic over eating is going to have spikes, that is also a lot of calories to consume at once.

I learned a long time ago being diabetic that I had to eat small portions and basically no carbs to avoid diabetes meds.

Luckily post-op, I am no longer diabetic.

Yes, that was my point, it is possible to eat too much Protein before the sleeve and have it effect bs, but not likely after the sleeve. Of course Portion Control is key, and obviously I had a problem with that as probably many here can relate to. I am hoping my diabetes stays in remission and my portions in control. That is the plan.

[OutsideMatchInside 10,166]

It isn't the Protein though, it is consuming too many calories at once and flooding your system.

When you are diabetic you have an impaired metabolism, over eating stresses it makes it worse.

You can't flood yourself with too many calories on something like green veggies because for example 4 cups of spinach is 40 calories.

So protein is not the issue, calories are.

I eat 125 grams of protein a day 20 to 30 grams at a time. My blood sugar is on the low end of the normal range.

[Apple1 2,572]

26 minutes ago, OutsideMatchInside said:

It isn't the Protein though, it is consuming too many calories at once and flooding your system.

When you are diabetic you have an impaired metabolism, over eating stresses it makes it worse.

You can't flood yourself with too many calories on something like green veggies because for example 4 cups of spinach is 40 calories.

So Protein is not the issue, calories are.

I eat 125 grams of protein a day 20 to 30 grams at a time. My blood sugar is on the low end of the normal range.

I do think it is the almost 70g of protein in the 8 oz steak that causes the delayed bs spike. The calories aren't the driving force because if that was the case it wouldn't matter what you eat as long as it was low in calories and there would be no spike. fat does not raise bs because it is not converted to sugar in the body, protein can be converted to sugar if eaten in excess. I am not saying excessive fat consumption is good just that it doesn't directly effect bs, and I worry less about the fat content then carbs.

I think the key is you are only eating 20-30g at a time. I can do this also with no spike.

P.S. I agree that the proper portions of protein do not spike bs and will most likely not ever be a problem for most people after WLS.

[lizpuller 6]

Thanks for all the input. Im doing this basically alone, so just was wanting a lil direction. Trying to get appropriate foods for each stage rather than waiting till the day of.......thanks again

[Apple1 2,572]

6 minutes ago, lizpuller said:

Thanks for all the input. Im doing this basically alone, so just was wanting a lil direction. Trying to get appropriate foods for each stage rather than waiting till the day of.......thanks again

I fear my posts didn't really help. What was true for me pre-op really didn't have anything to do with your question, i am sorry. I think post op we really don't have the ability to eat too much Protein. Maybe 2-3 years out but I don't know.

I have seen a good guide posted for the phases here on the forums. I actually think it was @OutsideMatchInside Who posted it. Maybe she can repost it here for you.