Trouble with Vitamins

[TeresaGary 7]

So I had the worst time taking vitamins! I kept being told over and over again... so I started researching ways to take Vitamins other than pills (never been good at pills) and gummys(which my doc said NOT to do) and came across liquid or iv. Iv is way to expensive for my ass! So in looking into liquid I came across the Tespo... it's kinda like a Keurig for vitamins... it mixes a powder with Water for a shot glass of vitamins... they have a Bariatric bundle pack...you take Bariatric in morning and evening and woman's complete midday.. woman's complete tastes like tang and the Bariatric is a more bitter version of tang... my surgeon said I do have to add more *Iron and more *calcium .. but otherwise he approved ... they have great costumer service and offer discounts for autoship and bundle ( they do men's and children pods) you ship that pods back as well (so more green) 30 day money back guarantee (except for shipping). This has worked out for me quite well ... if you are having trouble I would suggest trying it... if you use this link it should give you $50 off your machine...

http://email.getambassador.com/wf/click?upn=p8NrP1JTv-2B4itFDE9JRk7GlIskG0HYnQkVgPXJZbZ1uoXZ6IPT2khyw1VuuN6hN9_7u59zRi-2BQ30MBnU-2FzL3RTycgDjmMdnwvSFPFtOr298WWblfd4P454E11fxdgX-2BE7P86oZ-2BhmZZJ05lf0jFHqORVz0RhbmuTXiICfCmoTlywz0kQlpATdLamradnABk-2BrTt5OdYH-2BlgCQ5T7nhcwyB35xFWe5VqNqRlvX93taFEChWfkf-2FRv3uQMTOr4YP7JDnyDSEqT-2BVKMJI77FoIQNnK90-2F4VbgS1-2BbkwFW3RUyh-2FfZPGJB-2FOjkrDjAzNkgAXl9ZT8n1yrfNTcGhzfQ95SPZMWE95wDuti7oZyJaeaP8k-3D

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[Proud2BMe 1,016]

I took Centrum chewables for several months after surgery. Then I went right back to the regular Vitamins. Never had a problem and most people won't have a problem taking regular vitamins after they have fully healed. It may take some months out from surgery though. Vitamins are pretty much all the same. You really don't need to purchase any special bariatric formulas. It is your money and you can spend it how you wish.

[TeresaGary 7]

I think it's situational... so "most people" may or may not have trouble... I think we should only speak on what works for ourselves and not group people together... I've had problems with it... so I was just offering my experience... and it has worked for me... but thank you for your passive aggressive comment... I thought this was a place where we could openly share what works for us and what doesn't to offer others help...

Also.... not all Vitamins are the same actually... the body does not break down them all the same, and some have things in them that are not needed for the body.. they have extra "fillers" and such... like gummies are not good for Bariatric patients... also... upon researching I actually found that liquid vitamins have an absorption rate of 70-95% vs 10-20% in pill form... Vitamins in liquid form bypass the digestive process and are absorbed directly into the bloodstream, also come without a lot of the extra "fillers" and "binders"

I was merely stated what worked for ME and offering help to anyone else that may have had trouble like ME...

[Proud2BMe 1,016]

My post was in no way passive aggressive. Perhaps in the future it may be better not to make assumptions and perhaps not make posts if your expectation is that everyone is going to agree with you 100%. Otherwise, you might have better satisfaction just talking to yourself in the mirror.

[TeresaGary 7]

It was actually... you said what I was doing was not needed but "it's your money" lol that's passive aggressive ...

it's funny that you say that when you made assumptions in your post... "most people won't have a problem" "vitamins are pretty much all the same" you're not a doctor maybe it's best to leave these statements for them..

It wasn't my expectation that everyone agree with me.. it's fine that YOUR experience is that Centrum worked for you but you grouped everyone together by saying ""most people" .. I don't fit
Into that and I have a friend as well having trouble after surgery and hers was a year before mine... so I posted it for the people that aren't in your "most people" that ARE having trouble.. just another way to do something .. I was just offering my experience and something I did that helped ME ...

[PatientEleventyBillion 851]

On 3/14/2017 at 2:42 PM, TeresaGary said:

I think it's situational... so "most people" may or may not have trouble... I think we should only speak on what works for ourselves and not group people together... I've had problems with it... so I was just offering my experience... and it has worked for me... but thank you for your passive aggressive comment... I thought this was a place where we could openly share what works for us and what doesn't to offer others help...

Also.... not all Vitamins are the same actually... the body does not break down them all the same, and some have things in them that are not needed for the body.. they have extra "fillers" and such... like gummies are not good for Bariatric patients... also... upon researching I actually found that liquid Vitamins have an absorption rate of 70-95% vs 10-20% in pill form... Vitamins in liquid form bypass the digestive process and are absorbed directly into the bloodstream, also come without a lot of the extra "fillers" and "binders"

I was merely stated what worked for ME and offering help to anyone else that may have had trouble like ME...

This is often regurgitated by people selling vitamins. A quick Google search starting at "liquid" and ending at "bloodstream" resulted in exactly what I suspected, pages full of supplement sellers trying to sell their product. Why aren't you skeptical of this?

https://www.google.com/search?q=ill+form...+Vitamins+in+liquid+form+bypass+the+digestive+process+and+are+absorbed+directly+into+the+bloodstream%2C&oq=ill+form...+Vitamins+in+liquid+form+bypass+the+digestive+process+and+are+absorbed+directly+into+the+bloodstream%2C&aqs=chrome..69i57&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

Actual science and research says there's no difference. Many people pass off using Google as research, it's the best way to verify prior subjective biases rather than get an objective view.

Here are two actual research papers that deal with Vitamin absorption:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17109579?dopt=Abstract

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/14616423?dopt=Abstract

http://www.usana.com/UPLOADS/usana/2005/242/242-1_AKA.html (which follows these studies)

You'll notice a similar premise which mirrors the vast majority of scientific research: there is no difference in any form.

None of them suggest liquid form absorbs nutrients any better. In fact, one of them states that if liquids absorbed into the bloodstream better, why doesn't Soup bypass the digestive tract and go directly into the bloodstream?

So really the difference therein is price, and the compounds used.

Edited March 16, 2017 by PatientEleventyBillion

[TeresaGary 7]

This is often regurgitated by people selling Vitamins. A quick Google search starting at "liquid" and ending at "bloodstream" resulted in exactly what I suspected, pages full of supplement sellers trying to sell their product. Why aren't you skeptical of this?
https://www.google.com/search?q=ill+form...+Vitamins+in+liquid+form+bypass+the+digestive+process+and+are+absorbed+directly+into+the+bloodstream%2C&oq=ill+form...+Vitamins+in+liquid+form+bypass+the+digestive+process+and+are+absorbed+directly+into+the+bloodstream%2C&aqs=chrome..69i57&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8
Actual science and research says there's no difference. Many people pass off using Google as research, it's the best way to verify prior subjective biases rather than get an objective view.
Here are two actual research papers that deal with Vitamin absorption:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17109579?dopt=Abstract
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/14616423?dopt=Abstract
You'll notice a similar premise which mirrors the vast majority of scientific research: there is no difference.
None of them suggest liquid form absorbs nutrients any better. In fact, one of them states that if liquids absorbed into the bloodstream better, why doesn't Soup bypass the digestive tract and go directly into the bloodstream?
So really the difference therein is price, and the compounds used.

I didn't just use google...
but thank you for those papers! I love to read more research...

But for me the Tespo is working.. I was merely offering something that I am doing and something that I have found helpful and useful for me... because their might possibly be other people out there that are having trouble...

[PatientEleventyBillion 851]

1 minute ago, TeresaGary said:

I didn't just use google...
but thank you for those papers! I love to read more research...

But for me the Tespo is working.. I was merely offering something that I am doing and something that I have found helpful and useful for me... because their might possibly be other people out there that are having trouble...

Then can you share your sources? Everything you said from bypassing digestive process to fillers is literally regurgitated verbatim by the supplement industry. I would challenge you to find any science papers that say this.

Edited March 16, 2017 by PatientEleventyBillion

[TeresaGary 7]

I think you have your research..

If it's something that's not for you then my experience really isn't for you right?

[PatientEleventyBillion 851]

2 minutes ago, TeresaGary said:

I think you have your research..

If it's something that's not for you then my experience really isn't for you right?

I have a feeling this is a cop-out, but I'll bite anyways.

So in your experience do you have a way of testing whether or not this liquid absorption claim is true?

I mean, I take liquid calcium citrate and chewable multi-vitamins+sublingual B12. I largely am in the same boat as you in personally preferring liquid to large tablets, but that's merely a subjective personal preference. I just don't need all the BS that you cited that tries to pass off as science.

Clearly you wish to try and convince others of your belief, and you're flat out wrong. It's a rather big deal because, for example, supplements in liquid form are generally more expensive, more annoying to store (must be refrigerated), etc. Is that higher cost of dosages worth it to most people? Well this is why Proud2BMe said "most people", because most people are just fine with tablets -- clearly you were overreacting and triggered by his casual response, prompting you to Google some sort of agreeable supplement-industry phrases passing off as science. I take issue with that because it isn't information.

So to conclude, if there's a vitamin/supplement absorption issue with oral supplements, it's likely due to the person's body (for example, for B12 it would be called "intrinsic factor" in the stomach) and not the form the supplement takes.

[TeresaGary 7]

I spoke with my Doctor, and with the nutrition clinic actually ( they give you things to take instead of taking "pills" prescribed from doc... I explained my issues I was having and was recommended to take liquid, spoke to the doc ... and I did research online, not just after the person responded to me.. I researched before I decided to do something for myself .. I don't take lightly to just throw money away...

I am not trying to "convince" others... I WAS JUST TRYING TO SHARE SOMETHING THAT IS WORKING FOR ME!

What upset me about his response is that to me if felt like he was putting down why I would do that and then was slightly rude with the " it's your money" you can't say things like "most people" because you just don't know that.. and I just came on here to share something that is helping me... what is so wrong with that? In the original post I said if you're having trouble give it a try.. I didn't even state any facts, or research in my original post! I simply talked about the system I use, what I take and my experience .. this is MY journey... you have yours .. we are ALL different

This app is such a joke..

[PatientEleventyBillion 851]

12 minutes ago, TeresaGary said:

I spoke with my Doctor, and with the nutrition clinic actually ( they give you things to take instead of taking "pills" prescribed from doc... I explained my issues I was having and was recommended to take liquid, spoke to the doc ... and I did research online, not just after the person responded to me.. I researched before I decided to do something for myself .. I don't take lightly to just throw money away...

I am not trying to "convince" others... I WAS JUST TRYING TO SHARE SOMETHING THAT IS WORKING FOR ME!

What upset me about his response is that to me if felt like he was putting down why I would do that and then was slightly rude with the " it's your money" you can't say things like "most people" because you just don't know that.. and I just came on here to share something that is helping me... what is so wrong with that? In the original post I said if you're having trouble give it a try.. I didn't even state any facts, or research in my original post! I simply talked about the system I use, what I take and my experience .. this is MY journey... you have yours .. we are ALL different

This app is such a joke..

I think you're simply making way too much of what he said. I've read it over and over again trying to see how this might upset someone. All he did was cite what is true.. it works for most people. Hardly a terrible statement. He even respected your choice to choose what you wish even though he disagreed. Wasn't rude, belittling, or anything else. While you say this is your journey, and that's understood, this is still a public forum where people can respectfully offer their opinions or provide counter-arguments. Even in the real world, that's how discussion works.

Anyways, I've discussed the crux of the argument I care to discuss. I wish you the best on your journey.

[arringtonc49 188]

I think everyone should respect each others opinion.
True! Everybody is different on what they can handle and can't.
I learned since using this support
Group that a lot of people are told to do different things by NUT
And surgeon pre and post op.
Which is correct according to that particular person.
BUT the core of it all is we all are having WLS.
We should be building each other up and not tearing each other
Down.
We all have something in common.

[courville 6]

Thanks for your post. Does the Tespo machine make a lot of noise?

Also, how much liquid does it dispense at a time. In the video, it looks like maybe 2oz or so?

[Newme17 3,444]

Well, that was entertaining. As a matter of preference, I'm looking in to liquids. But don't mind settling on chewables. Will finish off these gummies I have before surgery and get the right Calcium (apparently I'm taking the wrong one). To each their own!