Another One Meeting With Chavez ?????

[anonemouse 1]

I have to agree on several things with you here.... they have the right to express themselves, they have the right to show how ignorant they are and I also think they are full of crap.....

You and I both have the right to disagree, I have the right to be pissed and you have the right to be understanding, we all have to learn to disagree right!

I think we have reached an agreement to disagree! This is the start of a great friendship!

[ELENATION 0]

Agreed! Even though we've talked for hours now.... I'd like to tell you it's very nice meeting you! and starting a friendship! I do admire your intelligence!

[anonemouse 1]

Agreed! Even though we've talked for hours now.... I'd like to tell you it's very nice meeting you! and starting a friendship! I do admire your intelligence!

Thank you! And right back at you! Sometimes the best online friendships come out of having an argument, so hopefully we'll see each other around on LBT.

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You are so right! Actually it was a very interesting argument! I have to hang around LBT more...and I will!

[annieM 2]

Half of my family is stuck in Caracas under Chavez and the situation is intolerable. My family are hard working educated people who have been trying to come here for years and can't. (a subject for another rant)

I hope Chavez is shot soon before he completely ruins a beautiful country.

[L8BloomR 1]

Elena, I like the way you think and I admire your spunk! And I want to thank you and AnnieM for sharing your knowledge and feelings about Chavez and Castro. Sometimes it is so easy to forget that there are people living with fear and repression when we don't live in it ourselves. We make mountains out of molehills in this country and forget what real suffering is. Thank you for posting!

[mousecrazy 2]

Thank you Elena and Annie for bringing "faces" to situations that all too often become "psychological" and "social" studies. I'll throw my hat in the ring with you that totalitarian dictatorships are indeed evil, and liberal-minded folks should be outraged at the way these men treat their citizens. It is inexplicable that they kowtow to these men and kiss up to them.

Again, thank you for your enlightening information, and keep it up. An informed people is a strong people.

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Half of my family is stuck in Caracas under Chavez and the situation is intolerable. My family are hard working educated people who have been trying to come here for years and can't. (a subject for another rant)</p> <p>I hope Chavez is shot soon before he completely ruins a beautiful country.

</p> <p>Oh Annie, I'm sorry about your family. I know exactly how they feel, my family and I were stuck in Cuba for 14 years after Castro took over, they wouldn't let us leave....even when approved by the US government since my dad was an american citizen...they don't even respect citinzenship there....My best friend lives in Maturin, she is cuban and took them over 20+ years to be able to leave, now they are stuck there again....she is also a dentist and her husband a professor, with a bright future and they can't do anything about it. I feel so bad for them, they have suffered enough... I agree, I hope he gets shot before he ruins Venezuela....I'm with you.</p> <p>Hugs</p> <p>Elena</p>

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Elena, I like the way you think and I admire your spunk! And I want to thank you and AnnieM for sharing your knowledge and feelings about Chavez and Castro. Sometimes it is so easy to forget that there are people living with fear and repression when we don't live in it ourselves. We make mountains out of molehills in this country and forget what real suffering is. Thank you for posting!

That's exactly right! we forget what real suffering is.... or those who haven't suffered under a dictatorship can't begin to understand the pain.....

THank you,

Elena

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Thank you Elena and Annie for bringing "faces" to situations that all too often become "psychological" and "social" studies. I'll throw my hat in the ring with you that totalitarian dictatorships are indeed evil, and liberal-minded folks should be outraged at the way these men treat their citizens. It is inexplicable that they kowtow to these men and kiss up to them.

Again, thank you for your enlightening information, and keep it up. An informed people is a strong people.

Thank you Mousecrazy for your response! Yes, it is indeed inexplicable how some folks, celebrities included kiss up to these people, either they are totaly ignorant or they are as evil as the dictators themselves.... because when they go there to meet with these people, they go to support them and they proclaim it too, as if they were doing a good thing...it definitely doesn't seem to me that they go on a journalism mission....

I still remember the sickening words of Steven Spielberg's visit/dinner with Castro, just to think that there are so many people around the world suffering and so many important causes for us to be involved with and this guy declares the following, it's just unbelievable..:

"Spielberg announced that his dinner with Castro "was the eight most important hours of my life."

[sipgel.biz 0]

Wow.. this is an interesting topic.

I went to Valencia, Venezuela in July of this year to marry my beloved in the Catholic Church. While I was in the country I found out many things about politics and the reason for Chavez being in power. Let me say that in Venezuela you only have two classes of people. People that are rich and people that are poor. Most of the wealthy come from engineering backgrounds, Farming and Sports. Until now the rich kept getting richer and the poor kept getting poorer.

The poor have the most population in the Country... "in other words" more numbers than the rich. During elections the poor voted Chavez into office as he promises a Socialism State. Think of Robin Hood and this is Chavez.

For Example: My friends’ father owns a 100,000 acre farm near Valencia, Venezuela and when Chavez took over power my friends father received a letter from the government that said the property is not his and can be acquired by the People "government" at any time. Also, all the money in the banks now belongs to Chavez and he can do with it what he wants to. What was once land and money with profit is now reduced to worthless. As a bonus the price of a gallon of Gas is $0.02 cents. That's nice... we can drive to Venezuela and filler up for less than $2.59 per Gallon!

If you look deeper in the Rabbit hole you will find even more problems. The government controls TV, News... and everything else. A TV station of many years was closed by the government for speaking out against Chavez. The people voted for this to happen.

On a positve note; when I was on the Island of Margarita and in other parts of the country, I did see project homes for the poor being built, express trains for fast travel being built. He is also building Schools and Hospitals with the money from what the government is collecting and fighting sickness throughout the country. Propaganda is always our worst enemy. Unless you visit and talk to the real people with real problems it is hard to follow what is really going on in the country. The news only tells us bad things. When you think about why people do what they do... it drives us to the edge of our seats That's the News. I would encourage to look into more than just the surface.

I am upset for what is happening in my Wife’s country and how face value is making us think Venezuela is a bad country. all I have to say is the People voted for Chavez "even dead ones" and this is why he is in power. Life is dangerous as criminals are walking the streets and violent crimes are becoming more and more out of control due to a Civil War or as I would put it "a battle between the rich and the poor". The US has our share of problems as well. Just the other day a 5 year old girl was raped 4 miles from where I live and left on the street.

Link to story: NewsChannel 8 - Broken Arrow Police Release Composite Sketch Of Abduction Suspect

This person looks nothing like Chavez. What I mean is we have many, many more things we should be worried about in our lives then Chavez. Protect those around you from sickos like this.

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Wow.. this is an interesting topic.

I went to Valencia, Venezuela in July of this year to marry my beloved in the Catholic Church. While I was in the country I found out many things about politics and the reason for Chavez being in power. Let me say that in Venezuela you only have two classes of people. People that are rich and people that are poor. Most of the wealthy come from engineering backgrounds, Farming and Sports. Until now the rich kept getting richer and the poor kept getting poorer.

The poor have the most population in the Country... "in other words" more numbers than the rich. During elections the poor voted Chavez into office as he promises a Socialism State. Think of Robin Hood and this is Chavez.

For Example: My friends’ father owns a 100,000 acre farm near Valencia, Venezuela and when Chavez took over power my friends father received a letter from the government that said the property is not his and can be acquired by the People "government" at any time. Also, all the money in the banks now belongs to Chavez and he can do with it what he wants to. What was once land and money with profit is now reduced to worthless. As a bonus the price of a gallon of Gas is $0.02 cents. That's nice... we can drive to Venezuela and filler up for less than $2.59 per Gallon!

If you look deeper in the Rabbit hole you will find even more problems. The government controls TV, News... and everything else. A TV station of many years was closed by the government for speaking out against Chavez. The people voted for this to happen.

On a positve note; when I was on the Island of Margarita and in other parts of the country, I did see project homes for the poor being built, express trains for fast travel being built. He is also building Schools and Hospitals with the money from what the government is collecting and fighting sickness throughout the country. Propaganda is always our worst enemy. Unless you visit and talk to the real people with real problems it is hard to follow what is really going on in the country. The news only tells us bad things. When you think about why people do what they do... it drives us to the edge of our seats That's the News. I would encourage to look into more than just the surface.

I am upset for what is happening in my Wife’s country and how face value is making us think Venezuela is a bad country. all I have to say is the People voted for Chavez "even dead ones" and this is why he is in power. Life is dangerous as criminals are walking the streets and violent crimes are becoming more and more out of control due to a Civil War or as I would put it "a battle between the rich and the poor". The US has our share of problems as well. Just the other day a 5 year old girl was raped 4 miles from where I live and left on the street.

Link to story: NewsChannel 8 - Broken Arrow Police Release Composite Sketch Of Abduction Suspect

This person looks nothing like Chavez. What I mean is we have many, many more things we should be worried about in our lives then Chavez. Protect those around you from sickos like this.

Your view make sense when you are just the spouse of someone that lives in Venezuela, I can tell you that it's different when you live through it....I'm cuban, lived in Cuba for 14 years, my father was stripped of everything he and his family worked for, I left Cuba and my mother had to stay behind, couldn't see her for 15 years, and so many thousands of people have suffered this and more in Cuba, what is going on in Venezuela now is pretty similar to what happened in Cuba back in 1959, with a few differences, and I can guarantee you that "socialism" which in reality is communism is not the answer for ANY country. I dont' care how many hospitals and homes Chavez may build for the poor, at the end, it will not work, let me tell you that the socialized medicine in third world country are far from decent, I can tell you horror stories about it....even when sickos like Michael Moore claim that Cuban health care is great, it's the biggest lie ever told! I lived through it, nobody can convinced me that is good, it's just not!

Our country has problems, which country doesn't? but not nearly compared to a communist country under a dictator. I do worry about the problems around me in my country, but I also care for other problems that are going on in the world. I think everybody should.

[sipgel.biz 0]

Your view make sense when you are just the spouse of someone that lives in Venezuela, I can tell you that it's different when you live through it....I'm cuban, lived in Cuba for 14 years, my father was stripped of everything he and his family worked for, I left Cuba and my mother had to stay behind, couldn't see her for 15 years, and so many thousands of people have suffered this and more in Cuba, what is going on in Venezuela now is pretty similar to what happened in Cuba back in 1959, with a few differences, and I can guarantee you that "socialism" which in reality is communism is not the answer for ANY country. I dont' care how many hospitals and homes Chavez may build for the poor, at the end, it will not work, let me tell you that the socialized medicine in third world country are far from decent, I can tell you horror stories about it....even when sickos like Michael Moore claim that Cuban health care is great, it's the biggest lie ever told! I lived through it, nobody can convinced me that is good, it's just not!

Our country has problems, which country doesn't? but not nearly compared to a communist country under a dictator. I do worry about the problems around me in my country, but I also care for other problems that are going on in the world. I think everybody should.

i feel all of us share your views. I showed my wife this yesterday and she agrees with everything you said. All of her family lives there and she is Venezuelan. I can not imagine the pain this has caused you.

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i feel all of us share your views. I showed my wife this yesterday and she agrees with everything you said. All of her family lives there and she is Venezuelan. I can not imagine the pain this has caused you.

Thank you so very much! I also wish the best for your wife's family, I really do. I know what they are going through.

[jelbel 0]

No le hagas caso a lo que te dice la gente. Tu sabes mejor que nadie que ese tipo esta demente y los artistas gringos son unos tontos. Se sabe que ese loco no tiene educacion,escuchalo cuando habla...

Mi papa vive ahi ,asi que no me pueden echar cuentos...