Someone slap me please!

[Healthy_life2 8,324]

@@Sharon1964

There are healthy bariatic friendly pizza alternatives to get the craving out of the way after WLS

http://eatlocalgrown.com/article/14230-cauliflower-crust-pizzas.html?c=jer

[hockeyfan7 249]

Most surgeons strongly discourage us from drinking carbonated beverages and a few other foods / drinks post-op, but so far as I know almost all foods are allowed post-op,

This statement is true if you want to be fat again. My surgeon and NUT said NO carbonated drinks, NO processed foods, NO processed sugars, NO processed breads, tortilla, and chips......Not strongly discouraged. We can certainly eat most all foods post op, if we want to be fat again.

That may be what your surgeon said. But you do realize not all surgeons have the same plans? And all NUT's don't either. Just like all surgeons don't use the same pre-op diet, not all surgeons use the same post-op diet.

[Sharon1964 2,530]

@jenn1 Thanks! I'll save that for when I'm at that point!

[maggie409 765]

Most surgeons strongly discourage us from drinking carbonated beverages and a few other foods / drinks post-op, but so far as I know almost all foods are allowed post-op,

This statement is true if you want to be fat again. My surgeon and NUT said NO carbonated drinks, NO processed foods, NO processed sugars, NO processed breads, tortilla, and chips......Not strongly discouraged. We can certainly eat most all foods post op, if we want to be fat again.

Your doctor is pulling your leg or you have misunderstood her / him.

Have you had WLS yet?

Have you reached goal yet?

How long have you maintained your weight?

I was sleeved on 6-15-2015. My post op diet instructions clearly use the wording "eliminate" from diet. I understand that at some point we will have the physical ability to eat anything we want. But in order to be successful, I don't think my post op instructions are bad. I know that I find it necessary to have WLS because I ate processed sugars, and cokes, and processed foods, and breads. I want to eat healthy and lose weight and get fit. And when I am to the point that I can physically eat what I want, I hope to have made healthy changes in my diet. Changes that don't include the things that made me fat in the first place.

[NaomiAus 104]

At the end of the day we need to do what works for us. This may be completely eliminating all processed foods, sugar, Pasta, bread etc from your diet or allowing yourself small portions of them occasionally, I don't think either one is wrong, but then again I have not yet been sleeved and I may feel differently when I am, just my two cents.

[lucky1gg33 107]

From reading the forums, there is a wide variety on should and should nots. I agree with the elimination of old habits but I also recognize we are human beings. I have had pizza two bites or so... do I have it daily? Noooo. I want to be successful. I definitely don't do carbonation. I make sure to aim for the Protein and Water requirements. My biggest lag now is really getting exercise. I am at week 10 and just now getting energy levels up. We all have to find what works for us... and yet not make us miserable. For me, that means occasionally two bites of "eliminated". I log it on my fitness pal and I stay under calorie goals. We still have to support each other in spite of our differences. We got this!

[catfish87 3,471]

pizza isn't what made me fat.....Eating a whole large pizza(s) in the past, was one of the reasons I was over 300 pounds. I'm 6 years post op now and I eat pizza occasionally. Matter of fact we had some this past Saturday evening from a local place that makes them in a wood fired oven, super thin crust...with a nice cold beer. YUM! Things that would make a dieter cringe! But I'm way past all that.... My lapband has helped change my life

PS. My "skinny" friends eat pizza, they drink a beer, have some wine, eat ice cream, etc. It's all about the VOLUME of calories I used to eat...day in and day out. Many, many more than I was burning.

[Djmohr 6,965]

As an obese person I did not know the meaning of in moderation. As a WLS patient I have been taught over and over by my nutritionist the meaning of in moderation.

There are some things I have been taught to stay away from, that includes carbonated beverages and liquor. And I absolutely do.

Others like pizza or even ice cream, there are rules to follow: once in a while in very small amounts. Eat your Protein first so there is little room for the other stuff.

Then of course there is what your tummy will not allow. I listen to mine because I don't like feeling like garbage.

[gowalking 10,790]

pizza isn't what made me fat.....Eating a whole large pizza(s) in the past, was one of the reasons I was over 300 pounds. I'm 6 years post op now and I eat pizza occasionally. Matter of fact we had some this past Saturday evening from a local place that makes them in a wood fired oven, super thin crust...with a nice cold beer. YUM! Things that would make a dieter cringe! But I'm way past all that.... My lapband has helped change my life

PS. My "skinny" friends eat pizza, they drink a beer, have some wine, eat ice cream, etc. It's all about the VOLUME of calories I used to eat...day in and day out. Many, many more than I was burning.

Amen to that David. It truly is all about the volume. I had chicken caccatore for dinner last night. 3 oz. of chicken, 1/2 cup of veggies and 1/4 cup of Pasta. Pre band it would have been twice as much chicken, no veggies at all and oh...about a half a box of Pasta. Then I'd sit on the couch the rest of the night and watch TV while eating ice cream or ring dings. Ugh...

[Sharon1964 2,530]

... I agree with the elimination of old habits but I also recognize we are human beings. I have had pizza two bites or so... do I have it daily? Noooo. ..

But when you have it, do you Celebrate??? That was my head-banging moment, more than the food item itself, I think. Celebrating eating something loaded with carbs at two months out.

Am I saying I won't have pizza at some point in the future? No, I'm not saying that. But if, when I do, it involves me CELEBRATING that, I hope someone slaps the keeerap out of me.

[BigViffer 3,544]

I get what you are saying, but I really miss pizza. However, I am not looking to buy a crappy pizza. I just discovered chickpea Pasta and it is really good and packed with protein:

https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0611/1757/files/New_Nutrition.png?2144

This got me thinking about making a chickpea Pizza Crust. I have tried the cauliflower pizza crust, it tastes good but you cannot pick it like they show on the internet. I am thinking this may be the route to making a healthy pizza.

[CowgirlJane 14,260]

On another forum there is a very active poster who continually preaches that "eat whatever you want, when you want" as the sleeve will moderate the quantity. That might be true for some, but it isn't true for this middle aged woman! If I eat whatever i want, whenever i want and just rely on the sleeve I will weigh over 300# again. I respect that not everyone has the same situation, but for many of us, we have to chose the "what" we eat carefully too.

I am not too bothered by others finding that out on their own, it does concern me sometimes that newbies will consider that generally good advice that applies to them. i fear they won't find out if that is the case until well after the "honeymoon" period is over and them be disappointed in results.

And lets be clear, I do sometimes have pizza, I do drink wine, I do eat normal stuff other people eat and am maintaining near goal. However, I would be under goal (like I was) if I didn't eat that stuff. Again, I am female and of an age when we seem to need do little food to maintain weight...

[Babbs 14,681]

I don't think the moderation thing works for everybody. I think for people with eating disorders and food addictions, it's not realistic to say you can have anything you want, just in moderation because the amount is limited. I CRINGE when some people chime in to assure newbies they can eat whatever they want because thanks to WLS, they can now eat like a thin person! I'm sorry, but I call bullshit. That thinking only works for a very small percentage of WLS people. Even in maintenance.

I'm not saying we can't have it ever. But I know from personal experience that I can eat a piece of pizza and stop because full. But I can also keep going back to the leftovers throughout the day until I've eaten 3 pieces of pizza. Hell, I could eat a whole pizza in 1 day if you give me enough time.

If the surgeons thought we could control ourselves, then why give guidelines at all? Why don't they just tell us "You can eat pizza and beer whenever you want! Just in MODERATION".

How do you think people gain weight back after surgery? It sure the hell ain't from eating salads.

[Babbs 14,681]

On another forum there is a very active poster who continually preaches that "eat whatever you want, when you want" as the sleeve will moderate the quantity. That might be true for some, but it isn't true for this middle aged woman! If I eat whatever i want, whenever i want and just rely on the sleeve I will weigh over 300# again. I respect that not everyone has the same situation, but for many of us, we have to chose the "what" we eat carefully too.

I am not too bothered by others finding that out on their own, it does concern me sometimes that newbies will consider that generally good advice that applies to them. i fear they won't find out if that is the case until well after the "honeymoon" period is over and them be disappointed in results.

And lets be clear, I do sometimes have pizza, I do drink wine, I do eat normal stuff other people eat and am maintaining near goal. However, I would be under goal (like I was) if I didn't eat that stuff. Again, I am female and of an age when we seem to need do little food to maintain weight...

Yes, yes and YES. My point exactly!

[maggie409 765]

I just know that for myself I was glad someone told me that in order to maintain a healthy weight and lifestyle I needed to eliminate these things. I needed someone to tell me that. If I cheat and have pizza, then I know from 30 years of obesity what will happen. If everything goes good with the pizza then next time there is pizza I will say oh that's ok you can have that. Then when I'm presented with a Debbie snack I will say just one won't hurt..... Until I have the next "just one". I'm glad my nutritionist is a healthy whole-foods clean eating person. I want to learn to get as much enjoyment from a strawberry as I do a Debbie Snack. I want to lead by example for my children and grandchildren and show them that processed foods and refined sugars are bad and we can live without them. We each have our own journey. We each choose our own path. I just don't think I can do this and not follow the advise of my NUT.