Are we not the perfect scientific study against the idea of calorie/fat burning?

[chunkyloverlovesyou 197]

Well of course metabolism is a huge factor, but it doesn't add up. You look at that show my 600 lbd life, penny for example, hasn't lost squat, has a tiny stomach and can sustain her current weight of 600 lbs, according to food science, she had to eat 150000 cals just to maintain. It would be physically impossible to eat that much with her stomach. I doubt her metabolism slowed down after surgery, she had always been in bed. She is an extreme example, but it applies to a lot of us. Science should study all of us.

[chunkyloverlovesyou 197]

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When you get a chance you should research starvation mode. It is very interesting actually. Our bodies were designed to hold on to as much fat as possible when it feels as though you are going through a famine. It will eventually lose the battle but at a cost. It is imperitive that were are getting enough Protein in our diet daily or it will start converting your muscle to glucose in order for proper brain function. We are amazing mechanisms. I feel your pain though.

I was painfully aware of starvation mode, so much so I physically forced myself 1000 calories a day just 4 days after surgery. I didn't want to teach my body it was ok to hang onto the fat

[LipstickLady 25,682]

Wait, what?? 150,000 calories? Dudette, your math is off. She simply needs to eat as much as she burns. She does NOT burn 150,000 a day.

[LipstickLady 25,682]

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When you get a chance you should research starvation mode. It is very interesting actually. Our bodies were designed to hold on to as much fat as possible when it feels as though you are going through a famine. It will eventually lose the battle but at a cost. It is imperitive that were are getting enough Protein in our diet daily or it will start converting your muscle to glucose in order for proper brain function. We are amazing mechanisms. I feel your pain though.

I was painfully aware of starvation mode, so much so I physically forced myself 1000 calories a day just 4 days after surgery. I didn't want to teach my body it was ok to hang onto the fat

WHAT!?!?!? ACK! I couldn't eat 1000 calories for at least 6 months. Be careful.

[JamieLogical 8,708]

Wait, what?? 150,000 calories? Dudette, your math is off. She simply needs to eat as much as she burns. She does NOT burn 150,000 a day.

Yeah where are you getting this math that to maintain 600 pounds she has to eat 150,000? She's bed-bound, does zero activity. I imagine she could easily maintain her weight on less that 15,000 calories, which is certainly doable, even post sleeve if you drink your calories, eat and drink at the same time, and eat slider foods.

[chunkyloverlovesyou 197]

Sorry, 15000

[JamieLogical 8,708]

Sorry, 15000

Definitely doable post-sleeve. See above.

[LipstickLady 25,682]

I can guarantee you she doesn't burn 15,000 a day either.

[chunkyloverlovesyou 197]

The doctor always chews them out that they are eating 15000 cal just to maintain. I'm not saying these ladies are eating salads, I just can't wrap my head around the fact that they are eating the same huge portions. The same activity, yes. Body is hanging on to the fat.

[chunkyloverlovesyou 197]

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When you get a chance you should research starvation mode. It is very interesting actually. Our bodies were designed to hold on to as much fat as possible when it feels as though you are going through a famine. It will eventually lose the battle but at a cost. It is imperitive that were are getting enough Protein in our diet daily or it will start converting your muscle to

glucose in order for proper brain function. We are amazing mechanisms. I feel your pain though.

I was painfully aware of starvation mode, so much so I physically forced myself 1000 calories a day just 4 days after surgery. I didn't want to teach my body it was ok to hang onto the fat

WHAT!?!?!? ACK! I couldn't eat 1000 calories for at least 6 months. Be careful.[/quote

I am a lot taller than you, 1000 cals is nothing now, I really try to keep it under 1200 though

[Carriejess 27]

Her BMR is only around 3500 calls even at that weight.

[LipstickLady 25,682]

Here is a very unscientific general calculator. http://nutritiondata.self.com/tools/calories-burned

If Penny is 625 pounds, 5"5", 45 and sedentary, she would only burn ABOUT 4300 calories a day.

[JustWatchMe 7,117]

Does anybody remember a few decades ago the conventional wisdom about fat cells? Once added by weight gain, they never go away? Even with dramatic weight loss, those shriveled up fat cells remain in the body just waiting to pounce on calories and plump themselves up again?

That mental image has never left me. It makes me so mad that these skinny shriveled cells are just lying in wait. I think it was actually what the liposuction industry used to convince us that Lipo was a way to solve that. Actually remove the skinny shriveled fat cells along with plump fat cells once and for all.

Not saying it's true. Just saying it stuck with me.

Kinda like these fat cells.

[chunkyloverlovesyou 197]

That's an interesting calculator, wonder how accurate it is. But even 4k, would still be hard. She had gastric bypass, which you also have to factor in the limited absorbtion. Someone should put a 24hr cam on her... See what she eats... 4science

[LipstickLady 25,682]

Does anybody remember a few decades ago the conventional wisdom about fat cells? Once added by weight gain, they never go away? Even with dramatic weight loss, those shriveled up fat cells remain in the body just waiting to pounce on calories and plump themselves up again?

That mental image has never left me. It makes me so mad that these skinny shriveled cells are just lying in wait. I think it was actually what the liposuction industry used to convince us that Lipo was a way to solve that. Actually remove the skinny shriveled fat cells along with plump fat cells once and for all.

Not saying it's true. Just saying it stuck with me.

Kinda like these fat cells.

Yup. I blame my mother for fattening me up as a baby.