who supports right to choose

[Cleo's Mom 257]

You don't know what those who are opposed to abortion hope to accomplish by making it illegal? They hope to accomplish the saving of innocent human being lives. Nothing more. Where have you been?

Nothing more? Oh, I think it is a lot more. It isn't just about stopping abortions, because legal or illegal, they will still happen. It's about control. And if they want control over women's bodies then they need to say what the punishment should be after they exercise that control and the woman defies it and "breaks the law".

Yes, I want them to say what the punishment should be. Out loud. In the media and with the same ferocity that they oppose abortion. And if it's jail then have the guts to say it. That bishop on the Chris Matthews tape didn't have the guts to say it because he knew what the repercussions would be. He's a coward.

[rodriguezequal 3]

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Seriously you think only one person is hurt when adultry is commited? Hmm

[rodriguezequal 3]

Well said as always Cleo's Mom!!!

[pattygreen 5]

You don't know what those who are opposed to abortion hope to accomplish by making it illegal? They hope to accomplish the saving of innocent human being lives. Nothing more. Where have you been?

Nothing more? Oh, I think it is a lot more. It isn't just about stopping abortions, because legal or illegal, they will still happen. It's about control. And if they want control over women's bodies then they need to say what the punishment should be after they exercise that control and the woman defies it and "breaks the law".

Yes, I want them to say what the punishment should be. Out loud. In the media and with the same ferocity that they oppose abortion. And if it's jail then have the guts to say it. That bishop on the Chris Matthews tape didn't have the guts to say it because he knew what the repercussions would be. He's a coward.

I agree. He knew what the repurcussions would be. An angry mob of women who want the right to kill their babies simply because they are within their own bodies. How sick. Who would want to confront these women who feel that this kind of murder is okay with them?

I'm not afraid to say it though. If the law was that abortions were illegal then women and doctors who murder babies should sustain the same consequences that murderers get. Prison time.

[pattygreen 5]

And, they don't want control over womens bodies. They want to protect the unborn from the women who are carrying them. It's not like once abortion is made illegal, they are going to control all other issues with womens bodies. get real. It's only about killing of human lives that they want stoppped. You pro choice people are so bent on the "it's her body she can do what she wants with it" thing that you forget that there is another body that's there too.

[rodriguezequal 3]

Do you realize what that would mean?! You would imprision a, let's say, 9 year old girl who has already gone through being raped just to satisfy your sense of justice for aborting an embryo? That seems a bit extreme to me...

[rodriguezequal 3]

What if that innocent fetus is killing the mother? It's okay for a baby to murder an adult woman?

[Cleo's Mom 257]

What if that innocent fetus is killing the mother? It's okay for a baby to murder an adult woman?

There are those who would deny an abortion to a woman even if her life were in jeopardy due to it. Because these people are not pro-life, they are pro-embryo/fetus. And anti-women.

They believe life begins at conception and ends at birth.

[Cleo's Mom 257]

And, they don't want control over womens bodies. They want to protect the unborn from the women who are carrying them. It's not like once abortion is made illegal, they are going to control all other issues with womens bodies. get real. It's only about killing of human lives that they want stoppped. You pro choice people are so bent on the "it's her body she can do what she wants with it" thing that you forget that there is another body that's there too.

It's a slippery slope. First abortion, then outlawing birth control, etc.. You know there was a time gynecologist wouldn't give birth control to single women. We could return to that. Of course you would probably support that.

Edited January 5, 2010 by Cleo's Mom

[BJean 16]

Yes, according to the anti-choice people, a fetus's life trumps the life of the woman - or girl, in the case of the 9 year old who has been brutally raped.

We already have prisons full to bursting with people that we don't want to deal with. Drug addicts, drunk drivers, pot smokers and other "criminals" who need help in order to live and become a productive member of society.

We don't want to deal with the problems so we shut people away in prison to the point that we allow murderers out of prison in order to house them. And now you think that incarcerating women who consider abortion is an acceptable answer to the problem of unwanted and unplanned pregnancies. It is ludicrous and it is inhumane. And ignorant, did I mention ignorant? Because it surely is an ignorant idea.

And I'll tell you how ignorant these "pro-life" people are. They kill doctors who perform completely legal, life-SAVING, abortions. Kill them. How do you discuss this topic with them? You don't. They are completely irrational and ignorant and inhumane.

[Carrie_C 9]

Cleo, you are SO right, it is about control. That's what gets me about religion. As I have stated before, I am a christian, but I am not religious. There is a huge difference. I believe that religion is all about control and it always has been. Religion has always been about controlling women. I believe that's the main reason so many people want to make abortion illegal. People can say whatever they want, but it's not about babies, it's about control. Women have fought long and hard for the rights that we have today. My mother and mother-in-law grew up in a time when women couldn't even wear pants to school. My mother wore pants to school once and got sent home. If we let the government make abortion illegal, we might as well all throw out our pants and start going back to only wearing dresses, because that will just be the start of it. Once they get control of abortion, they will start taking control over everything else women do. Outlawing birth control would be next on the list.

[Carrie_C 9]

And since when is it ok to tell someone they aren't allowed in church?? The Bible that I read states thou shalt no judge, for you shall also be judged.

[pattygreen 5]

Do you realize what that would mean?! You would imprision a, let's say, 9 year old girl who has already gone through being raped just to satisfy your sense of justice for aborting an embryo? That seems a bit extreme to me...

Since parents make the decisions for their children, they should be the ones to go to prison if the baby gets aborted. Not the child.

Is the 9 yr. old's life in danger if she delivers the baby? If yes, then she should be allowed an abortion because everyone has a right to defend their own life.

[pattygreen 5]

And since when is it ok to tell someone they aren't allowed in church?? The Bible that I read states thou shalt no judge, for you shall also be judged.

I never told anyone that they are not allowed in church. That bishop didn't either. He said that he wasn't allowed to have communion at the church. I'm not a big fan of the Catholic chrch, but, they have their doctrines, and if you don't want to abide by them, no one forces anyone to attend there.

I. too, hate religion.

It's a slippery slope. First abortion, then outlawing birth control, etc.. You know there was a time gynecologist wouldn't give birth control to single women. We could return to that. Of course you would probably support that.

I'm not against any kind of birth control that doesn't kill the baby. Once the sperm meets the egg, a life is formed.

I also believe that evrey one has a right to defend himself and if the baby is going to kill the mother or her life is at stake, only then should an abortion be done.

[BJean 16]

patty: "If yes, then she should be allowed an abortion because everyone has a right to defend their own life."

You're in a small minority of anti-choice folks on this patty.