who supports right to choose

[gadgetlady 4]

You think an unborn baby is dead? Ever seen an ultrasound? Photos of what goes on in the womb? Heard the beating heart?

[gadgetlady 4]

Where's the baby's vote in all this?

Sorry, they don't get one.

Neither did the slaves. Neither do modern-day sex slaves. Neither do the victims of genocide or oppressed peoples everywhere. What's the problem here? "If you don't like slavery, just don't own a slave." The problem is you're dealing with another human being's life. If you want to do something with your own body, get a tattoo, amputate your arm, get your tubes tied, heck even become a prostitute, that's YOUR decision with YOUR body. But in an abortion, another person's body is involved.

[joe7777 1]

So anything before 5 weeks is fair game?? Thats when it starts beating

[joe7777 1]

Neither did the slaves. Neither do modern-day sex slaves. Neither do the victims of genocide or oppressed peoples everywhere. What's the problem here? "If you don't like slavery, just don't own a slave." The problem is you're dealing with another human being's life. If you want to do something with your own body, get a tattoo, amputate your arm, get your tubes tied, heck even become a prostitute, that's YOUR decision with YOUR body. But in an abortion, another person's body is involved.

Grossly out of context. It's like trying to convince taking psych drugs are bad because of the holocost....oh wait there are already crazy nutjobs doing that.

[gadgetlady 4]

Grossly out of context.

It's only grossly out of context if you don't believe the unborn baby is deserving of basic human rights. If you believe the baby is somehow less than human (hmmm . . . just like the slave owners believed a black man was 3/5 of a person), then you're likely to be blind to the parallel.

[gadgetlady 4]

The baby's heart is beating before most women know they're pregnant. The heart begins beating at about 22 days. The classic dating timeline of a pregnancy begins at the time of the woman's last menstrual period, which as you know is approximately 2 weeks before pregnancy occurs (or maybe you didn't know). So at 22 days, or roughly 3 weeks, + the original 2 weeks that happened before fertilization, is when the heart begins to beat. Most women don't know they're pregnant until they've missed a period, which is very close to the time the heart starts beating.

[joe7777 1]

unborn babies and slaves...hmmm....not out of context??? That is not a representative analogy sorry i'm not some pushover that will fall for your lame arguments.

[joe7777 1]

You still didnt answer it...is it fair game before it starts beating, stop beating around the bush.

[gadgetlady 4]

I'm not beating around the bush. I'm clarifying your statements for those that are not well informed on fetal development. I've also answered this question previously in this thread and others, so I'm not afraid of it.

Once fertilization occurs, a human being with different DNA from the mother is created. That is when human life begins. Abortion is certainly more ghastly when it involves ripping the baby apart limb from limb, but at any point it is the deliberate taking of a human life.

[gadgetlady 4]

unborn babies and slaves...hmmm....not out of context???

Not out of context at all. Slave owners DEFINED slaves as 3/5 of a person despite the fact that the slaves were human beings with their own DNA. People in favor of abortion DEFINE the unborn baby as a blob of tissue, a product of conception, etc. despite the fact that they babies are human beings with their own DNA. It's very easy to withhold rights when the thing we're withholding from is DEFINED as something other than fully human.

The only reason you don't see it is because you're doing the defining as less than a person. Just like the slave owners didn't see it.

[joe7777 1]

Oh well...Ministry of Truth is hiring moral police, send your application.

[joe7777 1]

Seacrest out, i'm done with this topic

[green 6]

Wow, I guess that means Mahatma Gandhi and the Dalai Lama are going to burn in Hell for eternity. Bummer.

Seems like all the interesting people are Hell-bound, that is if there is such a place.......:tired

[396power 2]

looks like that seacrest guy is a thread killer

[ELENATION 0]

Totally agree with you!