who supports right to choose

[pattygreen 5]

You think that it would only affect her life for the 9 months? What about her body, her hormones, her mentality? I would think that God would be opposed to a man touching a penis for pleasure whether it's his own or another mans...?

About how it affects her life..... Sometimes life doesn't go the way we hope. Everything, the sins we commit, the sins others commit, even the good things people do, effects others. Nothing can be done about that. When the woman finds herself with an unwanted pregnancy, she will be affected. That's the way it goes. But there is another life to consider, so she's responsible to make sure that life lives. After it is born, if she chooses to give it up or keep it, that's her choice.

About masturbation.... I know that God would be opposed to a man giving another man pleasure by touching his penis, but I'm not sure about giving himself pleasure by touching his own. After all, we touch other parts of our own bodies for pleasure. We scratch itches, rub our arms or shoulders to massage them, etc. I can't really comment on that issue, because like I said, the bible isn't clear on that one.

[pattygreen 5]

Just because you have the belief that a fertilized egg is a whole person with all the rights of every other person on earth, doesn't mean that you are correct. Therein lies the rub. You are passing judgment and sentencing women based on your beliefs, and you are completely dismissing what they believe. You have no right to do that.

And.... Just because you have the belief that a fertilized egg is not a whole person doesn't mean that you are correct. You are sentencing baby human beings to death based on your beliefs and you are completely dismissing that they have a right to life. You have no right to do that.

(I only mirrored your exact words to me in reverse) What's a better scene? Passing judgement and sentencing women (what I'm doing according to you) or sentencing baby human beings to death? (what you would be doing according to me)

If I'm correct, (that the fetus is a human being from conception), you would be advocating killing human beings. If your correct,(that a fetus isn't a human being from conception), I would be advocating putting a mother through a pregnancy for nothing. Which is better? Come on. really!

[rodriguezequal 3]

The pregnancy could cause death for the mother. I almost died giving birth to my son! Do you really think all pregnancies and births are a walk in the park? No complications! And with masturbation I would think god would be against it...most of the time you are looking at porn or having impure thoughts...that sounds like the makings of a sin to me. Why do you have so much passion for an unborn baby, but not so much for a pregnant child? To me the life of a living breathing born child is more important than the life of a developing fetus...

[Lydiafree 0]

To me the life of a living breathing born child is more important than the life of a developing fetus...

The life of a living, breathing woman is more important than a developing fetus. To say anything else is misogyny. To say that something else has the right to use a woman's body against her will is nothing but misogyny. I personally believe abortion to be a terrible tragedy. However, a far, far worse one would be denying a living, breathing woman the basic human right to autonomy.

Has anyone brought up the organ donation exercise yet?

[Carrie_C 9]

Has anyone brought up the organ donation exercise yet?

What's that?

[rodriguezequal 3]

I agree...I also have no idea what the organ thing is lol... also just so you all know...My mom called and my uncle passed away Wednesday

[pattygreen 5]

The pregnancy could cause death for the mother. I almost died giving birth to my son! Do you really think all pregnancies and births are a walk in the park? No complications! And with masturbation I would think god would be against it...most of the time you are looking at porn or having impure thoughts...that sounds like the makings of a sin to me. Why do you have so much passion for an unborn baby, but not so much for a pregnant child? To me the life of a living breathing born child is more important than the life of a developing fetus...

I'll adress the masturbation thing first. Yes, you are right about the impure thoughts area of masturbation. Maybe if the persons mind could stay on their spouse? I really don't have the answer for this one.

Now, about abortion. To me, noones life is any more important than another. Also, I DO have compassion for the person who ends up with an unwanted pregnancy at any age or for any reason. I was pregnant at 19, not married and unsure of the fathers love for me or committment to me. I know what it's like to be in a situation like that. It's just that once the sperm meets the egg, there it is. Nothing you can do to change it. You're pregnant. As for the child who gets pregnant, that is a hard thing. But that child should get counseling and someone should try to tell her that even though she is in a place where she doesn't want to be, there is another living being inside her that is also in a place where he or she doesn't want to be. (Someone else deciding his or her fate in life). Sometimes life throws hard curveballs, and we have to deal with them. We don't want to, and we wish it would go away, but things happen. We just can't destroy life because we are inconvenienced or hit hard with an unwanted pregnancy or because we don't want to go through 9 months and labor, etc. Who would? But we do what we have to do, because it's the right thing.

[rodriguezequal 3]

Tell that speach to a 13/14 year old victim of rape on incest! You are cruel...you may think it's okay to ruin a little girls life, but I do not!

[pattygreen 5]

Tell that speach to a 13/14 year old victim of rape on incest! You are cruel...you may think it's okay to ruin a little girls life, but I do not!

You are cruel... You may think it's okay to kill a baby that's life has just begun, but I do not!

Normally, I wouldn't call anyone names,(like cruel) but do you see how you sound? Why is it okay for you to call me cruel for what I believe, yet you wouldn't me to feel you are cruel in what you believe?

[BJean 16]

The whole reason that I am against making abortion illegal is that we all have different beliefs and we all have different experiences and challenges in life. What would be perfectly acceptable for one woman could mean certain death for another.

For hundreds of reasons, valid personal reasons, I oppose the government making the decision for women without their consent, without input from their doctor, without input from anyone who has a vested interest in the situation.

This is not the cut and dried issue that you claim that it is - that a fertilized egg has the right to develop, no matter what. A fertilized egg is human tissue. It absolutely is NOT a human being with all the rights of a fully developed person.

Whether a woman has a valid reason for terminating a pregnancy or not, she has the right to make that decision for herself. The government, even our church leaders, absolutely do not have the right to tell people what to do in such an extremely important and personal situation. Counsel can be sought and it is right for people to offer help if help is asked for. But coercing women, making decisions for them with regard to their reproductive organs, is just plain wrong.

[BJean 16]

rodriguez, I am very sorry to hear of your uncle's passing.

[pattygreen 5]

The whole reason that I am against making abortion illegal is that we all have different beliefs and we all have different experiences and challenges in life. What would be perfectly acceptable for one woman could mean certain death for another.

For hundreds of reasons, valid personal reasons, I oppose the government making the decision for women without their consent, without input from their doctor, without input from anyone who has a vested interest in the situation.

This is not the cut and dried issue that you claim that it is - that a fertilized egg has the right to develop, no matter what. A fertilized egg is human tissue. It absolutely is NOT a human being with all the rights of a fully developed person.

Whether a woman has a valid reason for terminating a pregnancy or not, she has the right to make that decision for herself. The government, even our church leaders, absolutely do not have the right to tell people what to do in such an extremely important and personal situation. Counsel can be sought and it is right for people to offer help if help is asked for. But coercing women, making decisions for them with regard to their reproductive organs, is just plain wrong.

The bible teaches that these differing opinions between believers and unbelievers on issues are in need of an authority to make the decisions for us. Jesus should be that authority now, but people choose to ignore him and his words to us, but He will be that authority in the future. What one person deems right, others deem wrong, and vice versa. Therefore, when he returns at the end of time, he will set up his Kingdom and every knee will bow and every tongue will confess that he is Lord of all. It will be at that time that all of these issues will be solved. The bible teaches that it will only get worse towards the end. What was once taught to be morally wrong will be accepted as right and what was once taught to be right will be thought of as wrong. Mankind will completely disregard God's words and the Christian believers will be hated for their moral stand. The older I get, the more and more I see this.

[rodriguezequal 3]

I am not cruel because I am thinking about the young girl...the one that has a life, friends, emotions, and a unwanted changing body...what about her health? THE FETUS HAS NO EMOTIONS!!! You are going to ruin a little girls life for a fetus that could grow up to be a rapist? You are cruel because you do not take the little girls life into consideration...all you think about is the growing fetus!!!! I am far from cruel thank you very much!!!

[rodriguezequal 3]

rodriguez, I am very sorry to hear of your uncle's passing.

Thank you so much. I am sure that it is for the best...he was in a lot of pain

[rodriguezequal 3]

The bible teaches that these differing opinions between believers and unbelievers on issues are in need of an authority to make the decisions for us. Jesus should be that authority now, but people choose to ignore him and his words to us, but He will be that authority in the future. What one person deems right, others deem wrong, and vice versa. Therefore, when he returns at the end of time, he will set up his Kingdom and every knee will bow and every tongue will confess that he is Lord of all. It will be at that time that all of these issues will be solved. The bible teaches that it will only get worse towards the end. What was once taught to be morally wrong will be accepted as right and what was once taught to be right will be thought of as wrong. Mankind will completely disregard God's words and the Christian believers will be hated for their moral stand. The older I get, the more and more I see this.

They will be hated because of the way they take their stand...the way they push it on other people instead of it being friendly it's...do this or burn in hell...blah blah blah