who supports right to choose

[BJean 16]

I just noticed that you two are at about the same place in your lapband journey. Good for both of you. Impressive weight losses. I've had a recent setback and it gives my morale a boost to see people who are doing so well. :crying:

[rodriguezequal 3]

Wow we are close...lol I never noticed!

[gadgetlady 4]

{sigh} I'm only responding because of the misstatements posted.

There have been times when you only used part of what I said to make it look like I said it differently.

I can't think of a time when I've done that. I have always tried to deal with everyone and everything, especially as it regards this issue, very honestly.

3440 horrible evil bush - as if that is something I said.

You've made no secret of the fact that you are not a fan of Bush. You didn't say those exact words but you characterized what he did as devious and bad for the country. I don't think that's out of line at all based on previous posts on this thread and others about how much you think Bush has been bad for this country and about how you disagree with his politics.

3448 you never responded to the question about your professionally presented, comprehensive sex ed classes.

That's not mischaracterizing anything. I've asked many a question that hasn't been answered on this board. It's pretty normal and not devious or deceptive at all.

3442 didn't play fair

3442 was a post by CarrieC

3435 quoted me out of context, obviously intentionally to make your point

I don't see anything out of context there at all. So if I did do so, it wasn't "obviously intentionally to make [my] point".

3470 more of the same

3470 was spot on, a quote directly from you.

You just don't play very fair most of the time.

Just because you don't agree with someone or they have good arguments doesn't mean they don't play fair. It's obvious you and I have diametrically opposed points of view on just about everything. If you don't like what I have to say, just ignore me! I often ignore what you have to say (obviously not all the time).

If you're feeling benevolent, you can be very kind. If the posts are going your way, you are a very nice person.

That's quite a backhanded compliment.

I don't know why you have to drag things down to that level, but after such a long time of sharing this thread with you, and other threads, I guess I just got a little sick of it.

It's absolutely incredible that everything you don't like on this thread is my fault.

Especially when we were talking about trying to come up with positive ideas about sex education in public schools that might really make a difference and you post some gawd-awful crap that has no relevance but that makes sex ed look bad.

Are you saying the website I posted has no relevance? Because I'm not quite sure what you're saying here, but if you are, it is quite relevant. The organization that goes into most of the schools and presents the sex ed program, Planned Parenthood, hosts that website. If you don't like their approach, talk to them -- not to me.

[DownInSocal 12]

I was an escort for a Planned Parenthood when I lived in Seattle. You should have heard the vile things that were spewed out by the anti-choice side. I had things (liquids, bottles, etc) thrown at me. I was spit on. My car was keyed. I had sugar put in my gas tank. Some weird guy followed me home and my boyfriend at the time had to run him off.

I escorted shaking and crying women who just wanted to get healthcare without being harrased. It was one of the most powerful exp of my life. I would do it all again in a heartbeat.

[rodriguezequal 3]

I live in Tacoma (University Place) and I see crap like that everytime I drive by the Planned Parenthood. It's out of hand. I told my husband I want to go to thier church and picket about how they treat these men and women (Mostly women)...It's disgusting!!!

[gadgetlady 4]

I'm sorry you've both experienced and witnessed things like that. I don't much care for pro-lifers who give the group a bad name. It's easy to get angry, but that does nothing to help the cause. On the flip side, I've seen some pretty awful things from the pro-abortion side as well, but I know it's not universal.

rordiguezequal, I know it's a weird request, but the next time you're driving by there I would really appreciate it if you would stop and ask the name of the organization the protesters are with. I totally understand if you're uncomfortable doing that, but if you are up for it I'd like to know who it is.

[gadgetlady 4]

Just FYI, I re-researched contraceptive failure statistics, and my memory served me right. Contraceptive "failure rates" are indicated by the number of pregnancies occurring over a year for which the parties reported using the given method of contraception. The rate absolutely does take into consideration non-use of the method. In other words, if you were part of a study group with condoms being your birth-control method and you run out of them, don't use them one time, and get pregnant, it would statistically be considered "condom failure".

Taking a sub-section of a group will change the "failure rate". For example, mature people in a committed relationship will have a higher efficacy rate for any given contraception than will, for example, teenagers. It's not because the teens don't know how to use the contraception, but rather that they are not consistent with its use.

[pattygreen 5]

How exactly do you know that Jamie Spears was raised not knowing right from wrong?

Yes I read your later posts about this but I am late back and would love to know your inside information, other than just enjoying that Palin kool-aid.

I don't know for certain, all I can do is see the fruits of her life, the deeds of her life, her sisters actions, her mothers comments about raising them, the dysfunction in the whole families lives. When they were young, her mother allowed them to dress as if they were in their 20's. Her older sister was allowed to dance using alluring and provocative moves at a very young age, their apparel tells me they are looking for attention, etc. All I can do is come to my own assertation that they grew up in a screwed up home. My opinion.

Edited May 14, 2009 by pattygreen

[BJean 16]

gadget I understand your logic and you're right, I sure do not agree with it. You've always been able to come up with statistics that are jarring. You are excellent at sounding credible. Using shock to scare people to make their case could have been invented by the anti-choice movement because they are so darned good at it. Fortunately most people see it for what it is. They are not fooled and they are turned off by it.

You cannot say that a condom didn't work if it wasn't used, not when you are citing FAILURE rate for birth control methods. You can say that the use of condoms for birth control failed when you are talking about pregnancies that happen when the people involved use condoms as their regular birth control, but didn't use a condom on the occasion when they conceived. There's a big difference when you are teaching people about birth control. And that's what we were talking about. You must make the distinction that if condoms are your birth control of choice, they will not work to prevent pregnancy if you don't use them. And if you use them, you absolutely must use the equipment properly or they will fail.

I wasn't trying to give you a "backhanded" compliment. I was just telling it like I see it. It is what it is.

I see you've knocked yourself out. Seriously, right out of the ballpark as far as I'm concerned. A homerun of rebuttal. Wow. Impressive.

[rodriguezequal 3]

rordiguezequal, I know it's a weird request, but the next time you're driving by there I would really appreciate it if you would stop and ask the name of the organization the protesters are with. I totally understand if you're uncomfortable doing that, but if you are up for it I'd like to know who it is.

Honestly have I ever seemed uncomfortable about something lol I, my dear, am up for any challenge lol

[rodriguezequal 3]

I don't know for certain, all I can do is see the fruits of her life, the deeds of her life, her sisters actions, her mothers comments about raising them, the dysfunction in the whole families lives. When they were young, her mother allowed them to dress as if they were in their 20's. Her older sister was allowed to dance using alluring and provocative moves at a very young age, their apparel tells me they are looking for attention, etc. All I can do is come to my own assertation that they grew up in a screwed up home. My opinion.

You cannot judge Jamie by the actions of her sister. Jamie was on Nick for kids! She didn't dress or act like her sister...

[Carrie_C 9]

I just noticed that you two are at about the same place in your lapband journey. Good for both of you. Impressive weight losses. I've had a recent setback and it gives my morale a boost to see people who are doing so well.

Yea, but she's in onederland, I'm not, so I'm jealous!!

[Carrie_C 9]

I was an escort for a Planned Parenthood when I lived in Seattle. You should have heard the vile things that were spewed out by the anti-choice side. I had things (liquids, bottles, etc) thrown at me. I was spit on. My car was keyed. I had sugar put in my gas tank. Some weird guy followed me home and my boyfriend at the time had to run him off.

I escorted shaking and crying women who just wanted to get healthcare without being harrased. It was one of the most powerful exp of my life. I would do it all again in a heartbeat.

That's great!!

[rodriguezequal 3]

You're almost there!!! lol

[Carrie_C 9]

Yea, I'm getting a fill next week so hopefully that will take me there!