who supports right to choose

[gadgetlady 4]

The baby is attached to the mothers body.

Obviously. That doesn't make the baby part of the mother's body and it doesn't make him or her not distinct. The baby has a wholly different set of organs, a brain, a circulatory system, body parts, etc. No one is denying that the baby is dependent on the mother. But dependency doesn't equate to the right of one person to kill the other.

[rodriguezequal 3]

So if a woman has conjoined twins and the doctors tell her if she seperated them one or both may die, but she seperates them anyways and one dies...should she be arrested for killing a child? Those children are human and they have their own brain and what not...Should it be illegal for a parent to seperate twins since they are not her body...why should she make the choice for one to die? hmm...

[gadgetlady 4]

So if a woman has conjoined twins and the doctors tell her if she seperated them one or both may die, but she seperates them anyways and one dies...should she be arrested for killing a child? Those children are human and they have their own brain and what not...Should it be illegal for a parent to seperate twins since they are not her body...why should she make the choice for one to die? hmm...

Is it the intent of the medical procedure of separating conjoined twins to kill one of the children? The whole intent of abortion is to kill the baby. The intent of all other medical procedures (with the exception of euthanasia) is to save and preserve life, not to kill.

[rodriguezequal 3]

You know...This thread is like beating a dead dog...niether one of us is ever going to be right in the other ones eyes...I am tired of trying to defend my beliefs...they are mine, not yours and nothing anyone says will chnge them. :crying:

[gadgetlady 4]

I am tired of trying to defend my beliefs...they are mine, not yours and nothing anyone says will chnge them. :crying:

All I'm doing is answering your questions factually. It's your "choice" to bow out whenever you want. No one's forcing you to keep asking questions.

[rodriguezequal 3]

National Right to Life (Pro-Life)

NARAL Pro-Choice America (Pro-Choice)

Just thought I would share the sites...

[Carrie_C 9]

gadget, I only asked when you think a person is given a soul because that is the argument for a lot of people. They think that once an egg in fertilized, it is given a soul and therefore should not be aborted.

[gadgetlady 4]

gadget, I only asked when you think a person is given a soul because that is the argument for a lot of people. They think that once an egg in fertilized, it is given a soul and therefore should not be aborted.

Honestly, I haven't thought about it that much. Logically, it would make sense for God to bestow a soul at conception, because any other point in the development of a human being (heartbeat, lung capacity, traveling through the birth canal, speaking independently, understanding the difference between right and wrong, etc.) is arbitrary and doesn't address basic human-ness. It's probably my personal belief that conception is when it happens, but I haven't given it a lot of thought, especially as it impacts the abortion discussion. Because a lot of people don't believe in a soul and the presence or absence of a soul can't be proven, it is not a good basis on which to base a factual and scientific discussion of when human life begins. Indeed, there are religious traditions other than Christianity that consider abortion to be murder as well (I've mentioned this previously in this thread). There are also atheists who, by definition, don't believe in a soul and yet are still pro-life. I think basing the disagreement with abortion on something that can't be proven is foolish.

However, based on the limited Biblical discussions of what happens in utero and how God treats the discussion of developing babies (such as Psalm 139:13-16 and Job 10:8-11) and the emotions and knowledge He ascribes to the unborn (in Luke 1:41-44), I think it's pretty clear that the unborn has a soul prior to birth, though. Precisely when? I don't know.

I'd be willing to do some research on it if it's an issue that matters a lot to you. Let me know.

[gadgetlady 4]

green, I've been meaning to post for a while that I still haven't heard anything back about a post-abortive organization in Toronto. Many of my contacts are out of the country right now (one was speaking in the UK, got home, and then left right away for Australia). I haven't forgotten and am still waiting to hear back. I hope your niece is doing OK.

[Carrie_C 9]

No, you don't have to do research on it, I was just wondering what you thought, because I have asked myself the same question and can't come up with an answer either. If all babies go to heaven, even aborted ones, it would make sense that they have a soul. But I guess that is a different topic.

[Laptastic 0]

Pro Choice with Pro Choice daughters. No point in arguing it. In my experience, only Anti Choice proponents change their minds...which is their choice.

[txspatter 0]

And I thought this site was related to Lap Band and such. When did it become a location for polls on totally unrelated surgery issues? Isn't there a face book spot or some more appropriate place for polls on 'issues?' Just curious.

[Carrie_C 9]

This is a debate section. It says in the title "Off Topic".....

[gadgetlady 4]

No, you don't have to do research on it, I was just wondering what you thought, because I have asked myself the same question and can't come up with an answer either. If all babies go to heaven, even aborted ones, it would make sense that they have a soul. But I guess that is a different topic.

I'll see if I can come up with some resources for you. I'm always happy to learn new things

[gadgetlady 4]

In my experience, only Anti Choice proponents change their minds...which is their choice.

Actually, people are more likely to make the journey from being in favor of abortion to being against it than the other way around. This population doesn't only include the "average Joe" (or Joan), but also includes former abortionists (those who used to perform abortions and are now pro-life), former clinic workers, and even Jane Roe of Roe v. Wade.