who supports right to choose

[coltonwade 27]

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How do you think the death penalty is carried out ? Its a man made.

your logic makes no sense !

You just tweaked it to suite your needs !

do i see now why abortion is wrong NO I DONT !

[coltonwade 27]

No. Man made abortion legal. God said, "If an unborn baby is killed, you shall give life for life." Do you see now why we should not allow abortions? God feels that those who have abortions are deserving of death.

OH ROFLMAO Im sorry this is laughable !!! Line me up for the firing squad then ! I deserve to die ! How about you Green want to stand to the left or right of me ?

Oh WAIT maybe we should chose lethal injection since that's Ok !

Mindy

[pattygreen 5]

How do you think the death penalty is carried out ? Its a man made.

your logic makes no sense !

You just tweaked it to suite your needs !

do i see now why abortion is wrong NO I DONT !

WHAT???!!! Talk about not making any sense.

[ashleyb 0]

this thread got a lot of attention. If it were me If i was raped being married I would abort if i were single it might be different But Im not gonna make my husband see my growing belly month after month and i know i wont want to see it either. thats my thoughts.

[pattygreen 5]

No. Man made abortion legal. God said, "If an unborn baby is killed, you shall give life for life." Do you see now why we should not allow abortions? God feels that those who have abortions are deserving of death.

OH ROFLMAO Im sorry this is laughable !!! Line me up for the firing squad then ! I deserve to die ! How about you Green want to stand to the left or right of me ?

Oh WAIT maybe we should chose lethal injection since that's Ok !

Mindy

You obviously don't understand the severity of the sin of abortion. When God says it is deserving of death for those who do it, it must be very, very wrong. Let me clarify something. ALL sin is deserving of death. We were all originally created to have eternal life here on earth, but when sin entered man (in the garden of Eden) God said that the punishment for man was death. Thus why instead of living forever on earth, we all die someday. That is why Jesus had to die to take our well deserved punishment for us. But some sins, that God has identified, are deserving of immediate death, as in "you no longer can wait until you are old and gray, you deserve to die now." One of those sins is murder. So, if you did have an abortion, you have committed murder of an unborn baby. (in God's eyes). YOU may not think so, but God says YES. Therefore, even though you didn't know that it was wrong , it was. God is a forgiving Father. If you go to him and confess that you were wrong, he will wipe your slate clean. (It will be just as if you never sinned in His eyes)

Edited February 26, 2009 by pattygreen

[pattygreen 5]

this thread got a lot of attention. If it were me If i was raped being married I would abort if i were single it might be different But Im not gonna make my husband see my growing belly month after month and i know i wont want to see it either. thats my thoughts.

I understand how hard it would be to do the right thing. The baby is innocent here and not deserving of death. But, I would obey God and not kill the baby. He would bless you for it, and help you to get through it.

[Carrie_C 9]

this thread got a lot of attention. If it were me If i was raped being married I would abort if i were single it might be different But Im not gonna make my husband see my growing belly month after month and i know i wont want to see it either. thats my thoughts.

I totally agree.

[coltonwade 27]

You obviously don't understand the severity of the sin of abortion. When God says it is deserving of death for those who do it, it must be very, very wrong. Let me clarify something. ALL sin is deserving of death. We were all originally created to have eternal life here on earth, but when sin entered man (in the garden of Eden) God said that the punishment for man was death. Thus why instead of living forever on earth, we all die someday. That is why Jesus had to die to take our well deserved punishment for us. But some sins, that God has identified, are deserving of immediate death, as in "you no longer can wait until you are old and gray, you deserve to die now." One of those sins is murder. So, if you did have an abortion, you have committed murder of an unborn baby. (in God's eyes). YOU may not think so, but God says YES. Therefore, even though you didn't know that it was wrong , it was. God is a forgiving Father. If you go to him and confess that you were wrong, he will wipe your slate clean. (It will be just as if you never sinned in His eyes)

Im curious if you can have a discussion with out it being 100% about GOD ! ? you constantly talk about what GOD wants and what YOU KNOW GOD Wants, thinks, knows ect ? Do you have a mind of your own ? Once again what YOU do not understand is that not everyone BELIEVES in GOD therefore you would have to BELIEVE in GOD to BELIEVE you sinned and ASK for forgiveness . I know i did nothing wrong.

I think im about to hit IGNORE !!! Gesh !

[BJean 16]

gadget I do not disguise anything! What I am doing is arguing a point or an idea. I am not wrapping myself up in the condemnation of a person just because I disagree with something they've said.

When you figuratively stand in front of a person, call out their name, and then dress them down by telling them how wrong they are, it is very personal and you are attacking them personally.

When you think in terms of ideas and beliefs, it isn't important who said it. Unless you are trying to make it personal.

And I just do not understand why you and others like you, who think you are so right, believe it is perfectly acceptable to make it personal. It reveals a very obvious lack of respect for people who disagree with you.

Don't get me wrong. I don't want you to change. It helps the cause.

[BJean 16]

The problem I have with capital punishment is that people are fallible. Who among us is perfect? No one. So how can we ever intentionally decide that someone must die at a given time and place?

Statistics from other countries just don't hold Water. There are too many variables between them and us. The people who threw together those stats are probably the same people who toss around some of the way out abortion stats.

I know that the people who are for the death penalty use the argument that we are having to house, clothe and feed murderers (killers). That rates right up there with people who think they should never have to pay taxes. Sure they want public works including police and firemen. Sure they think that prisons are necessary. But they think the government is too big and we pay too much in taxes so it's okay to put sick people to death and get them off the dole.

Jeffrey Dahlmer was a very sick man. I ertainly can't argue against the fact that his behavior was utterly abhorrent. But he wasn't a normal person. He was a devient and should never have been able to have freedom to walk among us.

But what about the man who is falsely accused and convicted and put to death? How do you feel about that? Just a series of unfortunate events?

[gadgetlady 4]

And I just do not understand why you and others like you, who think you are so right, believe it is perfectly acceptable to make it personal. It reveals a very obvious lack of respect for people who disagree with you.

I think it's pretty obvious who makes it personal and shows a lack of respect here.

I find it interesting that you accuse me of thinking I'm right, when you believe you're right as well. There's really no difference. Unless you want to change sides because you don't think you're right anymore

Edited February 26, 2009 by gadgetlady

[gadgetlady 4]

So how can we ever intentionally decide that someone must die at a given time and place?

Interestingly, that is precisely why pro-lifers are against abortion.

[BJean 16]

Ah but there's an order of magnitude's difference between a simple fertilized egg, a teeny tiny clump of cells, and a living, breathing human being.

Anti-choice folks like to say that there's no difference (except when they've decided they should be able to kill someone they believe is a murderer), but in fact the differences are incredibly obvious and the choice that a woman makes in one case vs. the decision of an adult jury in the other case are also enormous and obvious.

It isn't as simple as anti-choice people would like for us to believe. And they should not be put in charge of making the choice for all women regarding their reproductive decisions. In fact, I also believe that they should not be given the choice to kill convicts. But that's just my humble opinion.

[gadgetlady 4]

Ah but there's an order of magnitude's difference between a simple fertilized egg, a teeny tiny clump of cells, and a living, breathing human being.

By the time a woman finds out she's pregnant, the baby's heart is beating. That's not a "simple fertilized egg". And the baby is a "living, breathing human being" prior to birth -- in fact, the baby breathes amniotic Fluid beginning in the second trimester (abortion, of course being legal long beyond that, through all 9 months of pregnancy). There are ultrasounds done during abortions that show the baby trying to get out of the way of the abortionist's tools (forceps, suction machine, etc.).

the choice that a woman makes in one case vs. the decision of an adult jury in the other case are also enormous and obvious.

In the case of abortion, the mother is a jury of one and the penalty is death.

[rodriguezequal 3]

To 'murder' someone is to kill with an evil intent, To 'kill' someone is to rid them from society or to cause their life to end without evil intent. God does allow for the death penalty for those who murder others.

Then not all those that have abortions are murderers. I definately wasn't killing with evil intent. I was ridding the fetus from society and causing it's "life" to end without evil intent (as you said)...

How do you feel about the octo mom implanting all of those embryos because she didn't wish to "kill" them by not using them...? Just wondering