who supports right to choose

[*susan* 1,709]

Well, you should have no say in this because you are NOT a women. You can vote anyway you like it really doesn't matter because as of now we can do what is right for us as women. :confused:

I try to keep my comments to myself as much as possible when it comes to this thread. But, I do feel the need to say that it may be your body, but the child you are carrying and considering aborting is yours and it's fathers, therefore, if he is involved and interested, he should have a say as well.

[BJean 16]

I couldn't disagree with you more, Susan. A woman has all the rights in this very early pregnancy picture. It is incumbent upon her to make the best possible decisions for herself and her potential baby.

I am not saying that the father shouldn't be involved in those decisions but I am saying that the mother HAS to make the decisions in every case and whether the father is involved in making those decisions is also her decision.

Later in the pregnancy and after the baby is born, that is a different set of circumstances.

[Carrie_C 9]

Why is it ok for a woman to not want the child and abort, but if the father doesn't want the child and doesn't pay child support and is not in the child's life, that's not ok? It seems to be a double standard.

[BJean 16]

There has been a double standard for hundreds of years. It is nearly impossible to even get many women to understand that. In fact in many cases, I think men understand how much women are discriminated against better than we do.

Trust me, if men had the babies, they wouldn't dream of allowing women to control their bodies and make all of the decisions. And up until recent history, men made all of the decisions and we put up with it.

[green 6]

I apologize for those of you who are offended by the language in the graphic. I just happened to think it was funny. If you have never been to someecards.com , that's all they have on there is off color smart a$$ ecards and graphics. I love it! HAHAHA:tt2:

As someone who runs an X-rated blog, I must say I love the card. Thanks for posting it, eh.

[green 6]

Why is it ok for a woman to not want the child and abort, but if the father doesn't want the child and doesn't pay child support and is not in the child's life, that's not ok? It seems to be a double standard.

It makes sense to me as a woman that there would be a double standard. Reproduction is such an unbalanced bit of business. The male's contribution is a spasm of pleasure and then he is out of there. The female's contribution, on the other hand, is enduring the pregnancy itself, the steadily deforming body, morning nausea, weight gain, the expense of needing to eat more nutrients in order to feed the growing foetus as well as her own body, the expense of buying garments which will accomodate her new body, and of course the medical expenses. These costs do not end here, much later in life, she may suffer from a prolapsed uterus, incontinence - why, the poor woman may dread sneezing - all because of that pregnancy.

There is the considerable pain of childbirth. In earlier eras, before the current advances in medicine, childbearing itself was a risky business. My brother was told in his first year of med school that historically more women died in childbirth or of its complications than men in war. One of the major birthing bed killers was puerperal fever. Then antibiotics were discovered and that put paid to childbed fever. Fortunately this was a killer bacterium and thus vulnerable to death by antibiotics.

Because pregnancy leaves women so very much wide-open and vulnerable to a whole bunch of nasty consequences, I believe that when it comes to the women's right to choose, it really is that; women get to call the shots and if she is anxious to have a baby or feels that killing the foetus sits badly with her particular moral compass then the man should have no say in this matter.

I chose to have an abortion even though the man involved wanted to have the baby and wanted to settle down with me. I simply do not like children and was creeped out big time by pregnancy and its effects on the body both long term and short term. You may call this a phobia, if you like.

I also think that if a man wishes to avoid the consequences of having a child to support he would be wise to wear a welly on his willy whenever he enters.........! That is called taking care of business!

[green 6]

There has been a double standard for hundreds of years. It is nearly impossible to even get many women to understand that. In fact in many cases, I think men understand how much women are discriminated against better than we do.

Trust me, if men had the babies, they wouldn't dream of allowing women to control their bodies and make all of the decisions. And up until recent history, men made all of the decisions and we put up with it.

Ha ha ha. I remember my dad announcing at the dining room table that if men had to have children the human race would have died out eons ago. My mum and I were not amused!

[green 6]

I LOVE ecards, they are hilarious !

Just watch the F word I think .

Mindy

The f-word is my favourite word.

[coltonwade 27]

The f-word is my favourite word.

OH it is mine too my dear ! I have to use the "edit " button quite often trust me LOL

Mindy

PS I just emailed you

[Carrie_C 9]

green, I agree with you. I have the phobia about pregnancy and childbirth too.

[BJean 16]

I have had 2 children and I definitely have a phobia about pregnancy and childbirth! And for darned good reason. I had all of the negative side effects green mentioned and more. And have had to deal with many post birth problems caused by bearing my children. You see my body was just not made for child bearing. Yeah, I'm a woman, but have a very short wheel base and an extremely narrow pelvis. My doctors pitied me. I learned the eff word real quick.

[smsmithart 4]

I am prochoice but what that abortion doc did down in miami was wrong that baby lived and breathed for several minutes...its on cnn I don't have the link.

[pattygreen 5]

After reading all the last postings, all I can say is.... All the more reason for God's rule of getting married before sex. God created the sexual experience for MEN and WOMEN to procreate children within the marriage covenant to make a family together and for love and enjoyment between a husband and wife. He didn't plan it for prostitutes, abortions, homosexuals, pedifiles or pornography. Hard words, I know. But truthful.

[coltonwade 27]

After reading all the last postings, all I can say is.... All the more reason for God's rule of getting married before sex. God created the sexual experience for MEN and WOMEN to procreate children within the marriage covenant to make a family together and for love and enjoyment between a husband and wife. He didn't plan it for prostitutes, abortions, homosexuals, pedifiles or pornography. Hard words, I know. But truthful.

I was going to stay out of this discussion but ....

Let me let you in on a secret. Something i did not even consider until I saw it . When I went for my abortion , I was 18 already had a 2 yr old ( yes that's right I had a baby at 16 and was not going to have another one by an abusive SOB ) I could not and still cant take the pill due to Migraines .

Anyway , There were MORE MARRIED WOMAN In the abortion clinic than SINGLE woman !!! Just because people are married does not mean unplanned pregnancies do not happen and people do not make mistakes or birth control does not fail,people feel they cant afford the babies and feel its best to have the abortion . But to think that just because 2 people are married that they wont or dont have abortions is naive . God did not plan for ALOT OF things , does not mean its right or WRONG ! Im sick of people throwing GOD into the mix when things dont fit into their "PLAN" and just call it WRONG .

I dont know what the HELL Prositutes, homosexuals and what ever else was in that last sentance has to do w/this topic , but it wasnt needed !

Mindy

[Gracey 7]

The f-word is my favourite word.

Mine too!

After reading all the last postings, all I can say is.... All the more reason for God's rule of getting married before sex. God created the sexual experience for MEN and WOMEN to procreate children within the marriage covenant to make a family together and for love and enjoyment between a husband and wife. He didn't plan it for prostitutes, abortions, homosexuals, pedifiles or pornography. Hard words, I know. But truthful.

Leave it to PG to go completely off topic, sigh. Again, judge not lest YOU be judged.