Vegetarian Protein

[Betsyjane 2]

OK. Tell me if this is right. The nuts are high fat, so I would eat those minimally. Everything else is high good carb, which would be a major change for me, and there's probably a list somewhere of which ones have the most Protein. I'll find that, and then start sampling with highest protein first. Does that sound like a plan?

[insubordination 0]

Good luck. I'm sure you'll find plenty of recipes online with those ingredients. I want a deer!

[Lucy 0]

"There's a lot of soy scare-mongering by the dairy industry. Asians have been eating it for centuries"

Insubordination, I couldn't have said this any better. It's no secret that the dairy lobby is out to get everyone to buy cow milk. It kills me that everyone abides by the food pyramid (mostly grains and dairy) without realizing that it's the national government that creates the food pyramid AND benefits from us all buying their agriculture. Many of the anti-soy studies have been preformed by the dairy industry and, duh, of course they don't want us substituting milk with soy.

And you are correct about Asia -- they eat a ton of soy, many times a day, and they are fine. They also balance it with fish and lots of vegetables and small amounts of red meat, grains, and fats. I'm not concerned about eating soy in a balanced diet.

Also, Betseyjane, nuts are fattening, but they contain a good fat. Raw almonds are a particularly good source of Protein and good fat. A little bit of fat in your diet will help you lose weight. I put a tablespoon of flaxseed oil in my smoothie every morning, which also has Omega acids in it to help with weight loss. It's not "fat" that's so bad for our bodies as it is "sugar". That's not to say, go eat a cheeseburger and fries, but good fats can be beneficial for your body.

[Betsyjane 2]

Insub...I have two fallow deer, John Deer and Jane Doe. They grew up in our house with us, slept in bed with us, watched TV. They think they're dogs. They curl up under our bedroom window at night, and the barn cats sleep on them and leaning on them. During the day, they go running through the fields with our dogs.

[insubordination 0]

Oooh how lovely. I adore all animals but haven't had a pet since my dog died a year ago *sniff* Their names are fantastic. Your description sounds like something from a children's book.

[Evilah 1]

Betsy Jane,

do you dip your deers for ticks? Did you get them when they were fawns? That sounds really neat, I've always loved adopting animals. But I've never known anyone with a deer!

I restrict my soy to ~20g or less a day because I think too much soy is not healthy. I read a study about soy estrogens accelerating some cancers, and my best friend's doctor told her about the connection between excess soy during pregnancy and malformed genitals in baby boys as a result. It just makes sense to me that phytoestrogens can act like regular estrogen, which too much of is very bad! whey concentrate gives me headaches, so it would be very easy to substitute soy Protein powder for all of it, but it seems that I should be getting a varied source of Protein.

Am I crazy to try do this surgery when I limit my soy, won't eat whey protein concentrate, and won't eat artificial sweeteners? I'm just trying to work out a natural, wheyproteinconcentrate free diet that conforms to the dr.'s guidelines

Evilah

[Lucy 0]

I'm having similar issues as you, Evilah. I don't want to consume all the artificial sweeteners and I'm not a dairy fan (and I HATE whey protein). That leaves us with few options. But I think the biggest hurdle is the liquid diet period -- during that time our diets are SO limited. Once we can eat real food again, there are millions of options.

Again, I think soy in excess is bad for the body, just like anything in excess is bad for the body. In small amounts, it's not going to do any damage. There are just as many studies that preach the benefits of soy as there are that warn of its detriments. And again, most of the anti-soy studies are funded by the dairy lobby. Just because there was a study done about it doesn't mean that it's necessarily right. I'm not worried about too much soy, I'm worried about not getting enough Protein. And, frankly, I'm worried about not having this surgery at all and getting diabetes and high blood pressure and sleep apnea in the next 10 years.

There are also vegetable and hemp Protein powders out there.

[Evilah 1]

I priced out hemp milk yesterday... OMG $4.00 for the same size as a $2.00 container of organic soy milk, or almond milk....

YIPES! I have the hemp Protein Powder, but I find when I add it to drinks without a lot of sugar that the taste is very obvious. Maybe I'll just get over it, because I like the amino acid content of hemp Protein

[Lucy 0]

I will admit that I am wary of trying to hemp powder because I think it's going to taste like straw. It's not hard for me to "give up" junk food because I never really ate much of it anyway. The hard thing is finding a palatable Protein source. At the end of the day, we need Protein no matter what, so I guess we will have to find it somewhere...

Is your hemp Protein Powder flavored (chocolate or whatever)? I was looking at some of that at the store the other day, but it only had 14g of protein per serving. I thought maybe the taste wouldn't be that bad, but I'd have to drink a LOT of it to get the protein needed.

[Evilah 1]

yeah, I think that the Protein is derived from the seeds, and the Protein isn't very concentrated, but it contains vital amino acides and tons of fber, so I guess as a protein supplement it's okay... just something to up your protein intake a bit more. I'm trying to work out what level of protein sustains me. My dr. seems to think it's 90g per day, but I've been doing some reading and i think it's more like 60

Any ideas about how much Protein One should get based on their body mass/

?

evilah

[Lucy 0]

I've been aiming for 60. There's nothing scientific about my answer, but the nutritionist that works at my surgeon's office said that was what we should get. Maybe she meant as "a bare minimum"

What do you know about flaxseed oil? I've been putting that in my Breakfast smoothie for the past few months since it's full of omege 3 fatty acids and is supposed to help with weight loss.

[Evilah 1]

I love flaxseed oil, but I made a huge mistake trying to take it straight. I threw up and now I have that feeling about it--- the way you feel about things that have made you vomit. I have had some success with mixing a serving of flaxseed oil with a tbsp of nut butter-- I can hardly taste it that way. I think your tongue and nose only have so many receptors that can register lipids and aromatics of oil, so if you mix it with something else fatty, not so much of the flax taste gets the chance to touch your taste and smell receptors. Also, I keep mine in the fridge.

Evilah

[insubordination 0]

I like the taste of flaxseed oil. However, it has to be fresh and kept in the fridge.

[Lucy 0]

I don't take it alone, but I do keep in the fridge. If you add it to your Protein Shake you won't taste it at all.