I am very offended by the B**love post

[Carlene 12]

The concept of prayer in school is just about as offensive to me as pedophilia. .

You can't be serious. I agree that children should not be forced to pray in school, however, prayer is far less damaging to a child than sexual exploitation or molestation. I say this as a person who was both required to pray as a youngster, and who was fondled by a perverted uncle. I assume you were the victim of mandatory prayer, but unless you have experienced both, I find your comparison a little flippant, if you don't mind my saying so.

[KariK 0]

You can't be serious. I agree that children should not be forced to pray in school, however, prayer is far less damaging to a child than sexual exploitation or molestation. I say this as a person who was both required to pray as a youngster, and who was fondled by a perverted uncle. I assume you were the victim of mandatory prayer, but unless you have experienced both, I find your comparison a little flippant, if you don't mind my saying so.

A LOT flippant.

[Chickie 15]

Wow, I wish that the man who raped me when I was 8 had forced me to pray instead.

If you honestly can connect perverts who RAPE children, with prayer, you are doing something wrong. Seriously.

[Daisalana 33]

Well, just to rain on your parade of working up the 'Christians'.. I am a right-wing republican and Christian. I also won't go to churches because of the hypocracy. Do not judge your brother. There's only one true judge. And thus, began my early recline from the churches.

However, I do find some of these posts 'offensive' for lack of better words. I don't care to see them. The anti-Bush thread, I haven't even clicked on it. Why? Because it would probably piss me off, and that's not what I care to do. So I avoid that thread, and I'm glad people who are anti-Bush have a nice little place to talk about it. In the same light, I'm glad anyone and everyone can talk about whatever they're wanting around here! If the very word 'boylove' offends you, don't go there, don't find out what it is, and go about your merry way. I saw the sarcasm in the title, and wanted to know what it was about. The website is extremely bizarre, but knowledge is power. And since seeing that website, I've had some interesting debate about it IRL with my fiance (who is a right-wing republican but NOT a Christian, and that is what he sees it for-a way to blame the Christians for something else.)

So in short, I may find it repulsive, but I'm always glad to know 'what's out there'. And I learned something new yesterday.

[marjon9 6]

Wow, I wish that the man who raped me when I was 8 had forced me to pray instead. If you honestly can connect perverts who RAPE children, with prayer, you are doing something wrong. Seriously.

What I said was: "The concept of prayer in school is just about as offensive to me as pedophilia."

I think all of you are being silly to get in a huff and claim that I am somehow equating rape and pedophilia with prayer. That's just ridiculous. If you read the posts I've made here throughout this entire thread, you can clearly see that this thread has nothing to do with anything like that.

My comment was a little bit of hyperbole to make a point. If I said "drinking alcohol is the work of the devil," would you all pounce on me for being a devil worshiper, or some other such nonsense? This group of indignant comments about rape and pedophilia amount to nothing more than red herrings to avoid talking about what is actually being said here.

And, what is actually being said here, is this: no group of people has the right to use legislation and constitutional amendments to force others to live by moral standards that everyone does not agree with. Whether you like it or not, prayer in school is deeply offensive to me. I don't expect you to understand. I don't really care if you understand. But what I do care about is that you should not be allowed to use legislation to force me to endure something I find deeply offensive, simply because you think it is wonderful. That is the point I'm making here, as I've said repeatedly.

And by the way, when I say "you," I mean that generally. This is not directed at anyone in particular. It is not a personal attack. It is a discussion.

But please, you can all put your arms down now. I'm not suggesting that prayer is equal to rape and pedophilia.

[marjon9 6]

Well, just to rain on your parade of working up the 'Christians'.. I am a right-wing republican and Christian. I also won't go to churches because of the hypocracy. Do not judge your brother. There's only one true judge. And thus, began my early recline from the churches.

However, I do find some of these posts 'offensive' for lack of better words. I don't care to see them. The anti-Bush thread, I haven't even clicked on it. Why? Because it would probably piss me off, and that's not what I care to do. So I avoid that thread, and I'm glad people who are anti-Bush have a nice little place to talk about it. In the same light, I'm glad anyone and everyone can talk about whatever they're wanting around here! If the very word 'boylove' offends you, don't go there, don't find out what it is, and go about your merry way. I saw the sarcasm in the title, and wanted to know what it was about. The website is extremely bizarre, but knowledge is power. And since seeing that website, I've had some interesting debate about it IRL with my fiance (who is a right-wing republican but NOT a Christian, and that is what he sees it for-a way to blame the Christians for something else.)

So in short, I may find it repulsive, but I'm always glad to know 'what's out there'. And I learned something new yesterday.

Your post motivates me to make one clarification. That is, I have absolutely no animosity toward "Christians," or anyone else. I single out conservative Christians in my posts because, in my experience, conservative Christians are the ones who seek to use legislation and constitutional amendments in an effort to force others to live by a moral code that they believe in, in such areas as prayer in school, abortion, and gay rights, etc. That is what these threads have been about from the beginning.

Anyone who happens to be a Christian is perfectly fine with me as long as they leave me and the rest of the world alone to live our lives by the moral code that works for us.

[Daisalana 33]

And that's where we'll agree. I don't like any religion being pushed on anyone. I think it's good to have the information out there, and if someone wants guidance they can find it. Even though I am Christian I get fumed when I find flyers for 'the good word' or a church on my door. If I was home when they put it there, I'd have given them quite a big piece of my mind. It seems it is normally Christians pushing for this (Opposed to the Buddhists, Athiests, etc.) I don't ever get flyers on my door talking about how Science is the only answer.. or Allah (sp) will show me the way. I would be equally mad at this too, which is why I can understand -even being a Christian-why prayer in the school is offensive. If they said everyone in the PUBLIC school had to pray to some other god, or to the trees, I would likely pull my unborn kids out of said school. So I see the argument for non-Christian families who do NOT want a religion they do not follow pushed on their offspring. But morals should be applied to all walks of life, not any one religion. On one hand that website is boasts Christianity because it just happens that the people there are Christians and together they want guidance for their thoughts :rolleyes , on the other hand I don't like its association with Christians as though that were an excuse :phanvan . That's another tangent though.

[wavydaby 1]

So if anyone can paste a blind link to a website, I say that anytime another troll comes in and posts a site to his "penis lenghtening site" we leave it in rants and raves.

ITs the same darn thing

[Sunta 5]

Even though I am Christian I get fumed when I find flyers for 'the good word' or a church on my door.

This is very interesting. What are your thoughts, then, on missionaries and on convoyofhope.org, who (in my opinion) use bribery to convert people to Christianity?

They lure poor people, drug addicts, and people who are otherwise vulnerable with free food and other goods and services in exchange for their promise to become "saved".

Is it right or wrong?

[Daisalana 33]

I think it's wrong, and I'm sure a lot of people disagree with me because they see it doing God's work or something. But I don't think anything should be shoved down anyone's throat. I don't like the missionaries (at my old church when I was younger) that did go to prisons and mission to them.. If you want to help them, go help feed starving people, if there's drug addicts who seek help, point them-or take them to a rehab facility. Help people. I'm for that! Religion doesn't have to be the reason for helping people.. and shouldn't be.

[Daisalana 33]

I should add though, this is where my overlap of right-wing republican clicks in. I resent that the government is helping these drug addicts, and lazy mothers who won't get off their butt and get a job (yep, this is a gross generalization.. but if they implemented DRUG TESTING and TIME LIMIT on welfare, I would be more tolerant of it) I CHOSE not to do drugs. They could have too. There's no excuse for them becoming junkies and popping out babies so they can get paid the money out of MY paycheck. So I personally DON'T help these people--well I do indirectly, but I don't like it. But in your instance, I don't think religion is the excuse to do it. And if people want to help them, I'm for that too. I don't.

[Carlene 12]

What I said was: "The concept of prayer in school is just about as offensive to me as pedophilia."

We know what you said. It speaks for itself.

I think all of you are being silly to get in a huff and claim that I am somehow equating rape and pedophilia with prayer. That's just ridiculous. If you read the posts I've made here throughout this entire thread, you can clearly see that this thread has nothing to do with anything like that.

Obviously you have never been the victim of a child molester. Otherwise, you would not have such unmitigated gall. We are not "silly".....you, my friend, are insensitive in the extreme.

[Carlene 12]

So if anyone can paste a blind link to a website, I say that anytime another troll comes in and posts a site to his "penis lenghtening site" we leave it in rants and raves.

ITs the same darn thing

It's not the same thing at all....

1. Legitimate members are not hucksters trying to sell something.

2. Legitimate members do not "post and run". They stay around to discuss their post.

[Carlene 12]

I resent that the government is helping these drug addicts, and lazy mothers who won't get off their butt and get a job (yep, this is a gross generalization.. but if they implemented DRUG TESTING and TIME LIMIT on welfare, I would be more tolerant of it)

Just so you know, there is a time limit on welfare. But I don't blame you for not wanting to support "drug addicts and lazy mothers". I feel the same way about supporting the war in Iraq.

[Daisalana 33]

I wasn't aware of a time limit. I think 6 months should suffice. If you can't get a job in 6 months, you're lazy. Go to McDonald's, they're always hiring.

Out here, I know some people who have been on welfare for years, abusing my money..and by welfare, I include all those other initial things (WICA??), that pay for people to sit at home. They even have a savings with more money in it than I do. It's not right.

I won't support government funding, and you won't support the war!