Thanks A Lot Obamacare!

[lisacaron 5,075]

Some facts:

-Obamcare doesn't only have minimum care standards but maximum. All policies must not only meet minimum standards but they can not exceed the care offered either. If an insurance carrier offers too little or too much, they are fined heavily.

This is true fact! It affected me at my company we were told we have "Cadillac" insurance and therefor must pay a hefty fine for it.

I'm sorry it's bad enough that we work hard for what we have, and we take care of those without but to have to pay a fine for having a good job and working for a good company that cares about it's employees is just BS.

Our generation as I tell my husband all the time is the sandwich generation stuck between our aging parents and the baby boomers looking for their medicaid ride and our kids who are too dam lazy to get a real job that we now cover them until they are 26.

Sometimes I actually think I should just quit my job, and put my hand out like 99% of people out there. If all the working class Americans quit what would they do? Have to work....hmmmm makes me think every day when I get up at 5 am and work 10 hours a day to pay fines for having healthcare.

[m1aman 944]

There are more uninsured people now than before obamacare. What does that tell you?

Thank you .....

Liar In Chief

Edited December 5, 2013 by m1aman

[m1aman 944]

For your viewing pleasure.......

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=obama+lie

[jaye282 79]

There's no guarantee of that your policy could have been cancelled for any number of reasons the insurance company is just blaming the ACA. In fact before the ACA they could have cancelled your policy and then refused to offer you a new one noting the surgery as a pre-existing condition. Under the ACA they have to offer you something it just might be too expensive.

I've had my insurance for almost ten years. Your grasping for reasons to stay in this conversation. Just stop. Your trying to sell your opinion while getting blasted with facts.

[jaye282 79]

UPDATE: My band has completely settled down. In my opinion it tightened up due to my monthly cycle. I haven't had a cycle in two years so this was my first one with the band. I'm guessing it's because of Water retention. Everything seems fine now and if I have another cycle I'm going on liquids!!!! Thank you to everyone that responded!

[LouiseC 1,031]

. Socialism has never worked in any society. It won't work now either.

What uninformed and paranoid nonesense. The socialised health care in my country has worked well for many, many decades. As it has in many other thriving western free market economies.

Edited December 11, 2013 by LouiseC

[jaye282 79]

What uninformed and paranoid nonesense. The socialised health care in my country has worked well for many, many decades. As it has in many other thriving western free market economies.

Canada? Lol ok. Is that why so many Canadians come to the US for healthcare? Canada can't even afford their own military. How many people are in the military now 4 or 5? Socialism is a bankrupt, discredited, and flawed nineteenth century theory that has failed miserably in countries around the world. The only thing socialism has brought is poverty, misery and tyranny. It doesn't work in Cuba, China, Europe (except Poland), East Germany, Venezuela, Soviet Russia...Canada cant even afford its own damn military!

Number one reason it doesn't work

GREED. The people writing the policies create loopholes for themselves to take advantage of. Our socialist government recently fid that.

Let's not forget LAZINESS. People are no longer as motivated to work for their success, because their basic needs are met. Socialism has failed in other countries because it eliminates the incentive to work. Australia and Britain, have briefly flirted with Socialism. Needless to say they are no longer a socialist society! We need more capitalism! 3 reasons

Only businesses create wealth by selling goods and services. This creates jobs. Government cannot create wealth; it can only transfer resources. Free enterprise, not the government, reduces poverty and generates jobs. The government’s War on Poverty begun in the 1960s has been an abject failure and has led to dependency, not to employment self-sufficiency. And that is the goal!!

[Butterthebean 8,146]

Canada? Lol ok. Is that why so many Canadians come to the US for healthcare? !

And yet so many Americans go to Mexico for healthcare. So much for your logic.

Edited December 11, 2013 by Butterthebean

[2muchfun 8,927]

"And yet so many Americans go yo Mexico for healthcare. So much for your logic." Apples and oranges?

Canadians pay for their healthcare in the form of much higher taxes and expect 100% coverage for all citizens. This does work for some provinces but not for the majority. So, they pay for services that are not available to them in a timely manner.

This is not the expectation here nor will it be with the new ACA rules. It's logical for Canadians to cross the border to avoid the long waits and/or denials as well as Americans to cross the border to find affordable surgery that may not be a provision of their own insurance policy.

tmf

[LouiseC 1,031]

Canada? Lol ok. Is that why so many Canadians come to the US for healthcare? Canada can't even afford their own military. How many people are in the military now 4 or 5? Socialism is a bankrupt, discredited, and flawed nineteenth century theory that has failed miserably in countries around the world. The only thing socialism has brought is poverty, misery and tyranny. It doesn't work in Cuba, China, Europe (except Poland), East Germany, Venezuela, Soviet Russia...Canada cant even afford its own damn military! Number one reason it doesn't work GREED. The people writing the policies create loopholes for themselves to take advantage of. Our socialist government recently fid that. Let's not forget LAZINESS. People are no longer as motivated to work for their success, because their basic needs are met. Socialism has failed in other countries because it eliminates the incentive to work. Australia and Britain, have briefly flirted with Socialism. Needless to say they are no longer a socialist society! We need more capitalism! 3 reasons Only businesses create wealth by selling goods and services. This creates jobs. Government cannot create wealth; it can only transfer resources. Free enterprise, not the government, reduces poverty and generates jobs. The government’s War on Poverty begun in the 1960s has been an abject failure and has led to dependency, not to employment self-sufficiency. And that is the goal!!

I am not Canadian. I am from New Zealand. You are wrong and misinformed on so many levels on what you say but I don't blame you. I understand that you have had a life time of brainwashing and propaganda shoved down your throat and so your remain confused and ignorant on just what socialised healthcare is.

You are also misinformed on free market economics. America isn't a free market as it gives considerable farm subsidies. New Zealand is more of a free market than the US, we got rid of all those subsidies in the 1980s and haven't looked back. Your economy is less capitalist than mine and yet mine can still support socialised health care. Go figure huh? It is a compassionate conservative model that considers interdependence within society as opposed to the immature dependence/independence thinking of extremists. By the way, my house value has steadily increased since the global financial crisis in 2008 as has my income. Same for most people I know. How's your pure capitalist economy working out for you? I suspect if it was working then you could afford insurance, Christmas for your kids, to get your fills and so on. Is it your own laziness that has led you to the situation where you can't afford what you want? Surely by your own rationale you should just work harder? Madness. Pure madness.

FYI both Britain and Australia still have socialised healthcare of varying degrees, in Britain it is even more socialised than in NZ and in Australia less so. Again , you are misinformed. And the level of your misinformation is so stunningly high that I really can not believe anything you tell me about 'Obamacare' as you don't seem to good at determining fact from scaremongering.

Edited December 11, 2013 by LouiseC

[jaye282 79]

I am not Canadian. I am from New Zealand. You are wrong and misinformed on so many levels on what you say but I don't blame you. I understand that you have had a life time of brainwashing and propaganda shoved down your throat and so your remain confused and ignorant on just what socialised healthcare is.

You are also misinformed on free market economics. America isn't a free market as it gives considerable farm subsidies. New Zealand is more of a free market than the US, we got rid of all those subsidies in the 1980s and haven't looked back. Your economy is less capitalist than mine and yet mine can still support socialised health care. Go figure huh? It is a compassionate conservative model that considers interdependence within society as opposed to the immature dependence/independence thinking of extremists. By the way, my house value has steadily increased since the global financial crisis in 2008 as has my income. Same for most people I know. How's your pure capitalist economy working out for you? I suspect if it was working then you could afford insurance, Christmas for your kids, to get your fills and so on. Is it your own laziness that has led you to the situation where you can't afford what you want? Surely by your own rationale you should just work harder? Madness. Pure madness.

FYI both Britain and Australia still have socialised healthcare of varying degrees, in Britain it is even more socialised than in NZ and in Australia less so. Again , you are misinformed. And the level of your misinformation is so stunningly high that I really can not believe anything you tell me about 'Obamacare' as you don't seem to good at determining fact from scaremongering.

Comparing a 300 Million strong, four-timezone (six timezones if you add HI and AK) MONSTER to NZ is entertainment, nothing more. I laugh at your efforts. USA is still the best place to do business. The opportunities are more abundant and the ability to expand is limitless. In the USA you can grow up poor and die rich leaving millions to 4 generations. In NZ you work just to live. In NZ people cash in their holidays just to get by and make it paycheck to paycheck. Wages are not competitive in NZ. As a matter of fact wages are in the pooper. Usa is way more developed and advanced from malls, theatres, sport, colleges, etc My income in the US allows me to live very comfortably, with numerous choices, high quality everything. I do work a lot. No doubt about it. But 10% of my check goes directly into savings. My husbands too. So you see, i can afford a fill, however, i never touch my savings and it is never included in our budget. Ever! In NZ I'd be poor, living in squalor with fewer choices.You said if my pure capitalist country was working for me then id be able to afford insurance and christmas. Are you a complete idiot? Because this entire posting has been about me paying for my own health care and the ACA caused it to be cancelled. My insurance, that i pay for on my own, paid for my surgery and ALL 8 of my fills. I love living free. I love going to work and paying for my OWN healthcare. It's so rewarding.

In NZ interest rates are high. Mortgages can not be fixed for 30 years like in the US. I feel if you are ambitious which you should be, then your chances are better in a bigger country like the US. NZ IS lousy for business and not a place to aspire to become someone big. If someone wanted to move to NZ my advice would be Make your bucks and then move to NZ. I would, however, tell them their life expectancy will be cut in half since everyone knows KIWIS CANNOT DRIVE. Suicide rates are higher. The only thing that's abundant in NZ is meth. Oh and let's not forget your economy thrives on tourism.

[*susan* 1,709]

Please, remember to keep your responses civil and respectful. We will not tolerate any rudeness, intolerance, etcetera. If you wish for this thread to remain open, then keep the discussion going in an intelligent and respectful manner.

[Butterthebean 8,146]

Comparing a 300 Million strong, four-timezone (six timezones if you add HI and AK) MONSTER to NZ is entertainment, nothing more. I laugh at your efforts. .......tell them their life expectancy will be cut in half since everyone knows KIWIS CANNOT DRIVE. Suicide rates are higher. The only thing that's abundant in NZ is meth. Oh and let's not forget your economy thrives on tourism.

I'm normally very proud to be an American.....except when one of my fellow countrymen goes on a tirade and insults another nation based on rhetorical inaccuracies. It's embarrassing.

I seem to recall this is a forum about WLS. Let's keep it to that.

[jaye282 79]

I'm normally very proud to be an American.....except when one of my fellow countrymen goes on a tirade and insults another nation based on rhetorical inaccuracies. It's embarrassing.

I seem to recall this is a forum about WLS. Let's keep it to that.

So your not proud to be an American now because i insulted somebody from another country whom first insulted America as a whole? What a shame. I'm proud to be an American no matter what.

The rules of this Bariatric app do not suggest that all threads be about WLS. This thread, however, is specifically about a problem with my band and the fact that i can no longer see my dr because due to obamacare my insurance was canceled. I was somlly looking for suggestions I to my problem. I cannot help that other subscribers have commented, merely stating their frustrations, to the current political events leading up to my crisis. Now, if you do not like any of the comments in this thread then I shall respectfully inform you that as a fellow ,Bariatric pal subscriber you can simply just not look, read or reply. My comments certainly are not in the form of a tirade as I am not angry, criticizing or making accusations. I am simply speaking in defense of this country that you were once proud to be a part of.

If you read back through these messages you will see that I updated this thread with my current situation (regarding my lapband) and I thanked everyone for commenting. That included the people with political views I don't share. Thanks and have a great day.

[*susan* 1,709]

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