Is dumping forever

[Jennie_B 6]

There are still some unanswered questions regarding the causes of dumping but it is generally thought to be the result of food being “dumped” too quickly (because the pylorus valve is no longer present) from the pouch into the small intestine. Early dumping usually occurs roughly 30 minutes after eating food high in sugar or simple carbohydrates (aka “simple sugars”). They can create a rapid increase in blood sugars (hyperglycemia). The rule of thumb is that white foods (e.g. potatoes' date=' rice, Pasta, white bread, etc.) are usually simple carbohydrates. The sugars rapidly pull Water out of the bloodstream and into the small intestine. A number of the symptoms of dumping including severe diarrhea can result. With “late” dumping, the body responds to the rapid rise in blood sugars with an increase in insulin to process the sugars. The increased insulin can cause the blood sugars to “crash” producing low blood sugar (reactive hypoglycemia) and dumping symptoms follow. Symptoms may or may not include vomiting. It is called late dumping because it usually occurs two to three hours after eating but can occur as much as twelve hours later. The delay is partially explained by the time needed for the brain to signal the pancreas to produce more insulin in response to the blood sugar spike. It then takes time for the pancreas to produce the insulin and for the insulin to make its way to the small intestine via the bloodstream. Because the intestine is shorter as a result of the surgery, the partially digested food passes more quickly through the intestine and blood sugar levels may have returned to normal before the insulin reaches the intestine - which is why the blood sugar crashes. Somewhere between 25% to 50% of patients never experience dumping. It is difficult to determine an accurate number because some folks experience dumping without realizing what it is and others think they are experiencing dumping when the cause of their symptoms may be something else. Of those that do experience dumping, about two-thirds experience early dumping with the remaining one-third experiencing late dumping. Although decidedly unpleasant, dumping is rarely serious. As you can see from the responses above, dumping may occur for years following surgery and possibly even for life. Or it may subside and even disappear over time as the body makes adjustments to its new physiology.[/quote']

Thank you DL! That was super informative!

[Tizzielish 21]

One good bit of information I got from my very first NUT 11 years ago when first diagnosed with diabetes: milk has a lot of sugar in it. And, somewhat paradoxically, at least it seems wrong to me, skim milk has more sugar than whole milk. When you strip out the fat to make low fat milk, the ratio of sugar increases. A cup of skim milk has about 15 carbs -- carbs become sugar as soon as they hit your blood stream and if sugar makes you dump . . .

I never eat sugar anymore -- because of my diabetes. Reading about dumping reinforces my resolve.

If you explore, and can learn to like organic stevia (a natural no calorie, no carb sweetener - at first I hated it but I got used to it), you can have sweets -- but I have not had the surgery.

I do know that I stopped doing sugar years ago because of my diabetes and you just get used to it.

I am also highly disciplined about carbs, eating as few as possible. A homeopath recently asked me if I ate carbs and said I shouldn't and I said "it is impossible.

I resisted giving up cow's milk for 8 or 9 years but now I just don't do cow milk or cheese. Coconut milk is my answer. I love milk, too. I used to drink a glass of skim milk every day and loved every drop. But now it is no longer on my radar.

there is also almond and soy milk but I quite dislike soy, almond is okay but coconut milk and I were a match made in heaven.

[nolagirl 36]

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[hockeymumzie 181]

Some of us do not dump on anything. Which is NOT a blessing.

[oldoneyoungagain 200]

Ice cream caused me to dump a few weeks ago, but that Chunky Monkey was darn good. Haven't tried the potatoes, rice, bread, as I had broken that habit with the band. Did have major dumping though, for years, prior to the bypass. Finally related it to salads, yet I love them. Didn't seem to have problems with any other high Fiber food though. Now with the bypass it is like I have to use a fiber supplement because of Constipation. Not allowed to eat salad yet nor any other high fiber food, but won't be surprised if I don't have the issue again, at least it will be getting me off the stool softner or the fiber supplement. I am also still having issues with Fluid and food, if I eat not thirsty. If I drink, I'm not hungry. Vicious cycle. Hopefully I will get to a happy medium in a few months and my body will adjust.

[terry1118 1,274]

Ice cream caused me to dump a few weeks ago, but that Chunky Monkey was darn good. Haven't tried the potatoes, rice, bread, as I had broken that habit with the band. Did have major dumping though, for years, prior to the bypass. Finally related it to salads, yet I love them. Didn't seem to have problems with any other high Fiber food though. Now with the bypass it is like I have to use a fiber supplement because of Constipation. Not allowed to eat salad yet nor any other high fiber food, but won't be surprised if I don't have the issue again, at least it will be getting me off the stool softner or the fiber supplement. I am also still having issues with Fluid and food, if I eat not thirsty. If I drink, I'm not hungry. Vicious cycle. Hopefully I will get to a happy medium in a few months and my body will adjust.

I know what you mean about Fluid and food. I have the same problem. I can meet my daily requirement on one or the other, but rarely on both.

[terry1118 1,274]

Some of us do not dump on anything. Which is NOT a blessing.

I don't know if I dump or not, as I follow my plan religiously. Just the possibility that I might is enough of a deterrent for me. All the food we have been warned to stay away from are 'trigger' foods for me so I refuse to even start experimenting. For me that would be the beginning of a downward spiral that could put me back where I used to be. I don't ever want to go back there again!

[enjoyinglife 313]

I don't know if it is forever, but it is something that is always in the back of my mind. I usually try new foods on the weekend in the safety of my house. I haven't tried anything with more than 18grams of sugar per serving. When I am craving something sweet, I eat a sugar free popsicle, a serving of sugar free Jell-O, or a few tic tacs.

[countrygirl 84]

I don't know if it is forever, but it is something that is always in the back of my mind. I usually try new foods on the weekend in the safety of my house. I haven't tried anything with more than 18grams of sugar per serving. When I am craving something sweet, I eat a sugar free popsicle, a serving of sugar free Jell-O, or a few tic tacs.

My surgeon says no more the 7grams of sugar per serving or less.

[GoldyGirl 186]

Skim Milk has more than that? Maybe that is why my stomach is cramping after my shakes I am mixing with skim milk???

I don't know if it is forever, but it is something that is always in the back of my mind. I usually try new foods on the weekend in the safety of my house. I haven't tried anything with more than 18grams of sugar per serving. When I am craving something sweet, I eat a sugar free popsicle, a serving of sugar free Jell-O, or a few tic tacs.

My surgeon says no more the 7grams of sugar per serving or less.

[SoccerMomma73 1,867]

My mom is 32 years post gastric bypass (the old stomach stapling) and still dumps off carbs....oatmeal or ride for Breakfast will get her (and me) every time....so, for some, yes dumpling is forever.

[Jennie_B 6]

My mom is 32 years post gastric bypass (the old stomach stapling) and still dumps off carbs....oatmeal or ride for breakfast will get her (and me) every time....so, for some, yes dumpling is forever.

I haven't tried oatmeal yet. I have a friend who eats it every morning! What else is it that your mom dumps with...oatmeal and ?. Thanks for the info.

Edited December 1, 2013 by Jennie_B

[SoccerMomma73 1,867]

I haven't tried oatmeal yet. I have a friend who eats it every morning! What else is it that your mom dumps with...oatmeal and ?. Thanks for the info.

sheesh, rice . Damn fingers....

[ajustice 484]

I need to dump! I am so so weak with sweets. I fell victim fri night to leftover pumpkin cheesecake and anything I thought I had experience prior as being dumping...couldnt hold a candle to the 2 hours of rolling on the cool tile bathroom floor, vomiting, hot flashes, racing heart, nausea, and spinning room. Needless to say will keep me honest and be a icky reminder for a good while. I need the dumping cause I'd end up obese all over again due to my wavering will power at times.