Poll: Do you let Food sit in your esophagus? Or wash it down with liquids?

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I was going to stay out of this, but this thread is getting way too infuriating to remain silent.

Nana, unless you are a licensed bariatric surgeon, you are no more an expert or infallible than anyone else on these boards. Being banded 8 years means you have had a band inside you without messing it up. Nothing more.

I think most of the time, you have good information to share. However when you take the stance of arrogant, confrontational know-it-all, it negates anything and everything you say. No one will listen to you because they're too busy wishing you'd get off your unjust high horse.

Just look at this thread- you have a lot of intelligent, successful bandsters coming down on you. They can't all be wrong, so if you're half as smart as you'd like us to believe, I'd take a long hard look at your behavior before you dig yourself any deeper into that hole you're standing in.

[Christina.Rose 287]

What the hell? I hope I'm not the "taco girl" I had some Doritos about a MONTH after surgery and was afraid I may have torn something because they were not "mushy" and my DR was a d**k. I just started using this site and don't appreciate the bitchy bullshit being posted on this thread. I think unless you are a bariatric surgeon, you are/were just fat like the rest of us and we ALL NEED HELP and advice and support.

[GoingforGoal 1,734]

What the hell? I hope I'm not the "taco girl" I had some Doritos about a MONTH after surgery and was afraid I may have torn something because they were not "mushy" and my DR was a d**k. I just started using this site and don't appreciate the bitchy bullshit being posted on this thread. I think unless you are a bariatric surgeon, you are/were just fat like the rest of us and we ALL NEED HELP and advice and support.

Nope, not you

[NaNa 878]

I was going to stay out of this, but this thread is getting way too infuriating to remain silent.

Nana, unless you are a licensed bariatric surgeon, you are no more an expert or infallible than anyone else on these boards. Being banded 8 years means you have had a band inside you without messing it up. Nothing more.

I think most of the time, you have good information to share. However when you take the stance of arrogant, confrontational know-it-all, it negates anything and everything you say. No one will listen to you because they're too busy wishing you'd get off your unjust high horse.

Just look at this thread- you have a lot of intelligent, successful bandsters coming down on you. They can't all be wrong, so if you're half as smart as you'd like us to believe, I'd take a long hard look at your behavior before you dig yourself any deeper into that hole you're standing in.

Can you PLEASE TELL me what I've done except to simply ASK ABOUT THE 30/30 eating rule?

Regarding posters here...if they want RESPECT from ME, they need to give ME respect.

I've done my home work well...again, any thing I post I just post with studies...I just don't post willy nilly stupidness...

Again...you are correct this post should never gotten out of hand, I was attacked by bringing up the TRUTH about my old surgeon....

I think many have personal problems and USING ME as a scape goat...hopefully OTHERS ARE EDUCATED ENOUGH TO READ THROUGH ALL OF THIS BS...

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I will keep posting and post the truth based on FACTS and cited referenced material..if you or anyone else got a problem with it block me, because as soon as the other website goes up I will be using the block button to custom my time here.

This is a pubic forum and if some so called "respected vets" want respect they need to start posting FACTS and quit attacking me....

Also I can see there is some sort of "power" thing around here...I could care less what many say about me, heck I've seen so many lose their bands over the years, no need to have a power grab, because those who use to play those power grabs no longer have lap bands..

.I think we need to listen to ALL new updated info about the band...this is why I posted that new eating rule ..

I think you know about this too Missy so I have no clue of why you are play devils's advocate here....

.I am more outspoken and will tell you like it is in your face...I am not a too faced sneaky person and I am a very nice person, just very blunt and honest.....

Missy I respect you and your posting as well I don't agree with everything you post, but and you don't have to agree with everything I say....that's life

Again I don't why this post went bad ...when it involved a study..NOTHING THAT IS COMING FROM MY MOUTH..SO WHAT IS THE BIG DEAL?

[Christina.Rose 287]

Nope' date=' not you [/quote']

Thanks, I'm too new to be pissing people off. Don't quite understand why everyone is so mad at NaNa, but I need this support here.

[GoingforGoal 1,734]

Hazel

Dear, I am still confused and your post is not really coherent..LOL...

Bless your heart, I know you mean well, I don't know what you are talking about regarding your medical degree..you don't have to have a medical degree to be very knowledgeable about the lap band.

I have a degree in computer science and I work as an independent consultant...my own business and develop software applications for private industry...I use to do it for Federal Government but got sick and tired of BS.

But anyway...my private profession has nothing to do with JUST REPEATING...O'Brien's study...I really don't know what you are talking about...

If you got a problem with HIS study please write to him personally,...

My original post was Polling people here if they are NOW following O'Brien's drinking rule since he suggested that the old 30/30 rules are no longer recommended....

And P.S. if you HONESTLY think you got your lap band down pat and it will be honky dory FOR EVER..you are more naive than I thought.

Please log into Obesity help NOW ...there is a poster right now 10 years post op, that has developed reflux and heartburn and seeking a revision....

Also I post about what I've seen over the years too and not only cited material...I just use cited material to back up what I have to say in an articulate way...

You have NO clue of what your future holds with your band...we all wish everyone does well forever, but that is just not being realistic.

Edited to add:

You made me remember you made a post RECENTLY about you had NO idea that a lap band port could be removed with the band still intact.....remember that post? Or do you need me to post it here to refresh your memory?

Now please don't embarrass yourself with all of your so called lap band knowledge and long history in the medical field in Nursing...PLEASE.

Wow! So you start a post to get feedback. You don't like said feedback and you find it to be a just opportunity to bash everyone you converse with on a daily basis because you aren't even humble enough to accept when you are wrong.

You are damn straight that my Nursing degree has provided me with an in depth knowledge on nutrition and my anatomy. I did not say I was the leading expert in bariatric surgery and nor are you. I was talking about my combined knowledge and experience. The only combinations you've got going is arrogance, elitism, pretentiousness, authority glutton, self-validation, and well that's about it.

Seriously, how am I ever suppose to get behind someone who can't acknowledge other people's successes, strengths, education and experience except her own. Who wants to be the lapbandtalk.com authority because she deems herself as an elite 'long term' bandster who can't possibly learn herself. I am all about being a realist, I can give it and take it. But you've taken it to a new level where your words are longer heard because all we can hear is your arrogant attitude.

You are truly conceited my dear. Whew, I could never imagine THAT degree of self absorption. Ciao Bella!

[NaNa 878]

Hazel,

If you want to be an "elite" long term bandster you need to start acting like one....first things first...learn about the lap band and all of its competent like the Band, buckle, port locking mechanisms....what causes lap band complications..etc...

I've seen your long winded..mindless posts...before I can respect you as a competent knowledgeable long term bandster you have to earn it...

[NaNa 878]

Thanks, I'm too new to be pissing people off. Don't quite understand why everyone is so mad at NaNa, but I need this support here.

They are ANGRY with themselves..I have not posted ANY thing wrong, I just posted a question and wanted to Poll newbies or anyone if they were following O'Brien's new drinking protocol with the band and what their thoughts were....

If they are following their OWN surgeons rule? What is the big deal? All they had to say in a response was -- NOPE I am using my own surgeons's rule...instead they attack me and put me on the defense AS IF I CREATED THIS DRINKING RULE -- WHICH LEADS ME TO BELIEVE THIS ATTACK IS MUCH DEEPER THAN THE DRINKING RULE AND MORE OF A PERSONAL PROBLEM WITH ME...

And I cited O'brien the most experienced lap band surgeon out there and I am getting attacked for it...NOW that is funny.

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Can you PLEASE TELL me what I've done except to simply ASK ABOUT THE 30/30 eating rule?

Regarding posters here...if they want RESPECT from ME' date=' they need to give ME respect.

I've done my home work well...again, any thing I post I just post with studies...I just don't post willy nilly stupidness...

Again...you are correct this post should never gotten out of hand, I was attacked by bringing up the TRUTH about my old surgeon....

I think many have personal problems and USING ME as a scape goat...hopefully OTHERS ARE EDUCATED ENOUGH TO READ THROUGH ALL OF THIS BS...

..

I will keep posting and post the truth based on FACTS and cited referenced material..if you or anyone else got a problem with it block me, because as soon as the other website goes up I will be using the block button to custom my time here.

This is a pubic forum and if some so called "respected vets" want respect they need to start posting FACTS and quit attacking me....

Also I can see there is some sort of "power" thing around here...I could care less what many say about me, heck I've seen so many lose their bands over the years, no need to have a power grab, because those who use to play those power grabs no longer have lap bands..

.I think we need to listen to ALL new updated info about the band...this is why I posted that new eating rule ..

I think you know about this too Missy so I have no clue of why you are play devils's advocate here....

.I am more outspoken and will tell you like it is in your face...I am not a too faced sneaky person and I am a very nice person, just very blunt and honest.....

Missy I respect you and your posting as well I don't agree with everything you post, but and you don't have to agree with everything I say....that's life

Again I don't why this post went bad ...when it involved a study..NOTHING THAT IS COMING FROM MY MOUTH..SO WHAT IS THE BIG DEAL?[/quote']

It's your entire attitude. You refuse to acknowledge anyone other than you has a clue let alone might be right and you're wrong. You post on the attack with a chip on your shoulder which only provokes people to try to knock it off.

Respect is earned, not given. When you come across with such argumentative arrogance no one is going to respect you- which is unfortunate because you do have a lot of good info to share.

It's not your message that's the problem, it's your delivery. That's why you have all these people coming down on you and so defensive.

There is a big difference between being blunt and being self righteously condescending. Just being blunt wouldn't anger all these people.

[NaNa 878]

It's your entire attitude. You refuse to acknowledge anyone other than you has a clue let alone might be right and you're wrong. You post on the attack with a chip on your shoulder which only provokes people to try to knock it off.

Respect is earned, not given. When you come across with such argumentative arrogance no one is going to respect you- which is unfortunate because you do have a lot of good info to share.

It's not your message that's the problem, it's your delivery. That's why you have all these people coming down on you and so defensive.

There is a big difference between being blunt and being self righteously condescending. Just being blunt wouldn't anger all these people.

Self righteous? First of all, WE ALL KNOW the lap band has a VERY HIGH long term complication rate, I don't have to post numbers or studies...people can google that.

I've seen JUST ABOUT ALL OF MY FRIENDS LOSE THEIR LAP BANDS over the years....and they all did not have the old 4cc bands either MANY had the newer AP band, in fact...MOST of the newer complaints were with the newer bands.

Another big lap band site has died due to MOST of the lap banders getting it removed and many are now band bashers because they are ACTING LIKE PEOPLE HERE .LIKE THEY ARE INVINCIBLE AND IT WON'T HAPPEN TO THEM...until it do then they get upset with the world...

My post was simply about trying to prevent some of this...by researching seeing what new clinical studies are out there what exactly causes issues...

I am a researcher by nature so I like to know what is causing issues with the band and how to prevent it....that is all...

I am FAR from arrogant, I only get defensive when I am wrongly attacked...

I don't care what some think of me, I am not here to GET A MILLION SILLY "LIKES"....I am here to share what I know and what I've seen, there is NOTHING ARROGANT AND CONDESCENDING ABOUT THAT...

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...and your response just proved my point. Condescending, defensive arrogance.

I tried to reason with you for your own sake.

I don't enjoy talking to a brick wall so I won't be responding again.

Good luck.

[jennybean 175]

My doctor agrees with the 45 second rule. He thinks your bites should pass through the band within 45 seconds after swallowing. If you wait at least 45 seconds after your last bite, you can have a drink. He thinks that the old rule to wait 30 minutes does not make sense now that they know what they know about the band and how it works.

He says food should not be sitting in a "pouch" above the band. It should pass through quickly and hit the nerves that signal satiety along the way.

I see all doctors have different ideas on how the band works.

I think the doctors are still learning how the band works and we are kind of guinea pigs at this point.

Hopefully sometime in the near future they have it all figured out and will have a set of rules to follow that are consistent and that work. Until then, it seems like trial and error is what will be happening.

[Toddy 758]

NaNa,

I've read/skimmed through all three pages of this post. I don't have a single problem with what you've said as regards the band... simply because I have the intellect to do my own research, I have a wonderful surgeon, and I have a mind of my own and my own opinions.

However, the way you've said things and the way your caps button keeps getting stuck is very, very off-putting. I think there may be a reason why you "quit" working for the government and struck out on your own. In my humble opinion, you are in serious need of some self-reflection on how you come across to other people.

I hope you take this post for the constructive criticism it was intended to be. Life really is too short for all of this discord.

[GoingforGoal 1,734]

Hazel,

If you want to be an "elite" long term bandster you need to start acting like one....first things first...learn about the lap band and all of its competent like the Band, buckle, port locking mechanisms....what causes lap band complications..etc...

I've seen your long winded..mindless posts...before I can respect you as a competent knowledgeable long term bandster you have to earn it...

See that's where you and I differ my friend. I don't which to be an elitest. I merely want to be a mentor. Someone who can share information, provide support and help in any way I can.

I also don't want to be the person who degrades people in hope's to thwart their participation, to undermine their contributions and lesser their value.

None of my posts are longwinded nor coherent. When I take the time to write lengthier posts it's because I'm choosing to explain things so that someone can comprehend concepts. That usually requires talking about anatomy or how the body processes foods and how deficiencies can cause long term complications, or perhaps its to share numerous examples so that someone can identify with the topic at hand.

Unlike you, I don't need to cut/paste all the wonderful emails I have received thanking me for taking the time to explains things, for sharing information, for being a valuable contributor. Because unlike you, it's not about praise and it's not about being an elitest. It's about being apart of a community I feel at home with where I can give and learn from.

So too bad your effort to make me feel like crap and dig myself a hole hasn't worked. Because I remind myself who is doing the talking and it's just a good laugh.

Now, we are starting a new site at bariatricpal. I am far more interested in engaging others who can actually use our support. I am done w/ the likes of you.

It's been FUN Peace

[GoingforGoal 1,734]

*incoherent