Denied :(

[*susan* 1,709]

Thread closed per OP's request.

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[Alex Brecher 10,512]

Just a quick update. After personally communicating with Mr. Fisher, it's very clear to me that he doesn't belong on this forum whatsoever and he's been banned permanently. We wish him best of luck in all his future endeavors.

I'm going to reopen this thread since there's no need for it to be closed now.

[MustangSteve 31]

Thank you Alex

[2ndTimesTheCharm 68]

Just a quick update. After personally communicating with Mr. Fisher' date=' it's very clear to me that he doesn't belong on this forum whatsoever and he's been banned permanently. We wish him best of luck in all his future endeavors.

I'm going to reopen this thread since there's no need for it to be closed now.[/quote']

Thank you!

[Stacey Dayonne 69]

Now I feel like I need to keep my comments to myself. I don't feel free to express them.

[got2bethin 55]

I am SO thankful that thi has been taken care of. It's not about not expressing ourselves. But he wasn't being respectful about it. Let us rejoice in the fact that bullying isn't ok here or any place else.

[Stacey Dayonne 69]

Neither of them were respectful. She called names also. She wore ankle weights and I took offense to the too, cheating the system isn't right either but I'm guess I'm in the minority here thinking its wrong.

[kloveburd 132]

It's ok to have your own opinion and it may not be wrong but she made the thread for support for her journey and if you don't support what she is doing, don't comment?

[L Belle 96]

Sooooooo, anyhoo.

[cooksie 124]

Good luck!!! YOU pay for your insurance so whatever the decision I wish you luck!!! It's not like you're cheating anyone on here!

[Stacey Dayonne 69]

Best of luck to everyone! You are right I didn't have to comment, so with that I wish you all the best in your continued paths. Time to step away for a bit. I don't want anymore drama for anyone. Last comment, no I don't pay her insurance but insurance fraud is costing us all, having said that I do believe she should have been approved due to her other issues.

[Alex Brecher 10,512]

Now I feel like I need to keep my comments to myself. I don't feel free to express them.

You won't have any issues as long as you don't use expletives when communicating with me and you follow our posted terms of service. If you can't abide by those two items, you don't belong here.

[Alex Brecher 10,512]

I received a a PM this morn asking why I banned Ryan Fischer. Here's a snippet of just part of our email communication:

"Alex, I really dont give a flying fuck what you believe or dont believe."

Nuff said.....

[*susan* 1,709]

As you said, best of luck to him in his endeavors...

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[Ellie_Grace 271]

Best of luck to everyone! You are right I didn't have to comment, so with that I wish you all the best in your continued paths. Time to step away for a bit. I don't want anymore drama for anyone. Last comment, no I don't pay her insurance but insurance fraud is costing us all, having said that I do believe she should have been approved due to her other issues.

You know I totally agree with you. I have stayed out of this conversation due to incindiary state of the conversation. I feel strongly against fraud and theft of any kind, and what was done with ankle weights etc is fraud. I am not sure why people think it is ok to buck the system to get what they want. I also will not watch pirated videos, sneak into a an extra movie at the theater, etc. I am a very black and white kind of person, if it is wrong it is wrong.

But that being said I do understand why she went there and felt pushed to almost do so, being the scales were different at one doctor to the next. If that first doctor had done his job she never would have had to go that route. I am not here to judge her actions, albeit I disagree with her choices and it is not one I would have made, I doubt she give a flying poop if I disagree LOL. I hope you reconsider your leaving and know we value your opinion as well. None of are perfect and each of us make mistakes regularly and we need to support each other.

The problem I had with both sides of this and I think not just Ryan needs to take the blame here is of the name calling and vicious attacks on both sides. (insert name here) said some highly inflammatory comments in reaction and anger. He/She was not the only one, but I will not go reread the whole thread since it was annoying and hard enough to read the first time. It is so dissapointing to see adults revert to childish attacks when someone voices a difference of a opionion. Yes he was rude and obnoxious but we did not need to step down to his level. If we had just ignored him this would have been over. He really is allowed his own opinion even if he might have considered not posting it on that particular thread but perhaps opened a new thread with that topic.

Another serious issue that needs to be addressed. We are here to support and help each other through this journey and as a therapist let me tell you that if you support someone when they are doing something wrong or thinking something harmful then we are damaging them and not supporting them. Support also means challenging people in their distorted thoughts and behaviors. BUT, and a big but, is that this needs to be done tactfully and with real compassion. Easy to say "Dang you are a real jerk for blah blah blah", or "Dang you are stupid for thinking blah blah blah", It might be easy but it is not helpful and can be damaging. Much better to word it as "I don't feel this way, have you considered viewing this in this way?" or "I understand we view this differently, but that is ok" Or "have you considered that when you did blah blah you might have hurt so in so feelings". We have to remember we are dealing with real people with intense hurt feelings and we need to respect each other at all times. So when we need to assist someone in adjusting their behavior or thinking then there are ways it can be done without resorting to childish hurtful remarks.

I have a feeling what I said has come out wrong. But please keep in mind I did so in a spirit of helpfulness.

P.S. I am not sure it would have mattered with Ryan as he seemed to have a chip on his shoulder, but it also seems as if he sure needed some serious help, that maybe we could have helped him with over time, but then again maybe not. Glad he is gone the contention in this thread was painful.