Anti-Semitism In France!

Tired_Old_Man · March 3, 2007

Hello, CJ, Today's Token Christian, banded 12/14/7, down 35 lbs, etc etc etc.
I am taking this opportunity, as a Christian, to apologize to all who have been offended by Ron and his enthusiastic tirades.

My belief is that Jesus Christ came to earth as a man and interacted with whores, homosexuals, thieves, liars, morally corrupt and emotionallly damaged people from all walks of life. (Do not hear me saying in any way that I am morally superior to any of these people or anyone at all because I am a Christian!) He amazingly did this while loving and leading. If he'd had to depend on His superiority to make them feel stupid, bash their opinions and intelligence and generally dismiss them in every way they were different, Christianity would not be where it is today. It pretty much would have died on the vine 2000 years ago.

Sharing Salvation is not about "LOOK HOW RIGHT I AM, HERE IS MY PEDIGREE AND HERE"S WHAT I KNOW AND HOW IGNORANT ARE YOU FOR NOT BELIEVING WHAT I BELIEVE." It is about accepting people, as Jesus did, right where they are, here and now, and living your life in a way that they want what you have and want to know how you have it. Things shoved down the throat are usually violently regurgitated.

"Love thy neighbor as thyself" does not have a "but" or "except" after it.

LOVE EVERYBODY! Thanks to all who shared their views and opinions, even Ron.

CJ

How dare you?

cjbement · March 3, 2007

I dunno, sometimes I'm just like that.

CJ

anonemouse · March 3, 2007

Hello, CJ, Today's Token Christian, banded 12/14/7, down 35 lbs, etc etc etc.
I am taking this opportunity, as a Christian, to apologize to all who have been offended by Ron and his enthusiastic tirades.

My belief is that Jesus Christ came to earth as a man and interacted with whores, homosexuals, thieves, liars, morally corrupt and emotionallly damaged people from all walks of life. (Do not hear me saying in any way that I am morally superior to any of these people or anyone at all because I am a Christian!) He amazingly did this while loving and leading. If he'd had to depend on His superiority to make them feel stupid, bash their opinions and intelligence and generally dismiss them in every way they were different, Christianity would not be where it is today. It pretty much would have died on the vine 2000 years ago.

Sharing Salvation is not about "LOOK HOW RIGHT I AM, HERE IS MY PEDIGREE AND HERE"S WHAT I KNOW AND HOW IGNORANT ARE YOU FOR NOT BELIEVING WHAT I BELIEVE." It is about accepting people, as Jesus did, right where they are, here and now, and living your life in a way that they want what you have and want to know how you have it. Things shoved down the throat are usually violently regurgitated.

"Love thy neighbor as thyself" does not have a "but" or "except" after it.

LOVE EVERYBODY! Thanks to all who shared their views and opinions, even Ron.

CJ

PS: Wheetsin-I am taking the liberty of playing off of your name. You are a very intelligent and vibrant lady and I think you're great! I applaud your consistenly quick wit and humor!

Welcome, CJ! Believe me, it's nice to get new people in this thread. A lot of us really appreciate your posting.

anonemouse · March 3, 2007

By the way, does anyone else think it is sort of funny that Ron is lumping the Catholic Church in with the "liberal denominations" (AKA, the ones who are all going to hell, according to him)? I have never heard ANYONE claim that the Catholic Church was liberal before.

Tired_Old_Man · March 3, 2007

By the way, does anyone else think it is sort of funny that Ron is lumping the Catholic Church in with the "liberal denominations" (AKA, the ones who are all going to hell, according to him)? I have never heard ANYONE claim that the Catholic Church was liberal before.

Funny? No.

Tragic? Yes!!

Ron Cusano · March 3, 2007

For someone who claims to know the Bible intimately, those statements show you don't have a clue.

And that is more akin to socialism than capitalism. IMHO, Jesus was anti-capitalism. Look at his contact with the money lenders just before his execution. How about the Biblical statement about the difficulty of a rich man entering the "Kingdom of Heaven"?

Tired_Old_Man · March 3, 2007

I dunno, sometimes I'm just like that.
CJ

You will get used to me. Or maybe not.:faint:

Tired_Old_Man · March 3, 2007

For someone who claims to know the Bible intimately, those statements show you don't have a clue.

Are you speaking to stupid hell-bound me?

cjbement · March 3, 2007

You will get used to me. Or maybe not.:faint:

I hope I dont EVER get used to you, sometimes you take people for granted when you get used to them, and I would never want to do that!:eek:

cjbement · March 3, 2007

Welcome, CJ! Believe me, it's nice to get new people in this thread. A lot of us really appreciate your posting.

Thanks Laurend---Do you have any idea how long it took me to read this thread? I am supposed to be studying-SHAME ON ME!

You guys have some great view points. I think I remember a beginning thread where you said you walked (ran?) away from "the church" at age 18? I totally related to that! I RAN away too! Funny how when you get a mind of your own you start to see things differently??

Thanks for the welcome!

CJ

Carlene · March 3, 2007

By the way, does anyone else think it is sort of funny that Ron is lumping the Catholic Church in with the "liberal denominations" (AKA, the ones who are all going to hell, according to him)? I have never heard ANYONE claim that the Catholic Church was liberal before.

I think he means as opposed to Fundamentalists.

I have a friend who belongs to a very, very conservative Southern Baptist congregation. Nonetheless, a group of her fellow church members broke away and started their own "non-denominational" church because they thought the Baptists were too liberal.

Everything is relative to something else.

Ron Cusano · March 3, 2007

You can all think what you want! It's a free country and God gave us a free will for which we will all have to answer for someday. You are in for a rude awakening!

It is interesting to note that those mocking the authority of the literal, infallible scriptures, and me personally, are athiests, ultra liberals, liberal Christians which does include Catholics, and an old man who is a socialist/Communist, hates the government and country he lives in and worships a God of his own imagining that is admittedly imperfect and fallible. Why should I be suprised! In fact, this raging is exactly what the vWord of God describes in the first verse of the 22nd Psalm.

Jesus said we shouldn't be surprised if "the world hates us for His names sake, because the world first hated Him"! You all just prove Him and the scriptures to be 100% correct, literal and true!

Carlene · March 3, 2007

It is interesting to note that those mocking the authority of the literal, infallible scriptures, and me personally, are athiests, ultra liberals, liberal Christians which does include Catholics, and an old man who is a socialist/Communist, hates the government and country he lives in and worships a God of his own imagining that is admittedly imperfect and fallible.

Still waiting for an answer to my questions....

Originally Posted by Ron Cusano

In the example you sited here, the Pastor was 100% correct. Within the church, a women is not to exert authority over the man. Just as Christ is the head of the Church, a man is the head of the household and is responsible for teaching, among other things.

So....you're saying that for the more than 50 years this woman taught, her church elders, various pastors, etc were ALL in error? And for all that time, they were misinterpreting the scriptures, yes? How is that possible, since the dogma of the church did NOT change during that time. And still remains unchanged in most Baptist churches across America.

How do you KNOW this one scripture should be taken "literally", but many others (like the one that says women must cover their heads to pray) need NOT be? How, exactly, is that distinction "clear" to you?

Tired_Old_Man · March 3, 2007

You can all think what you want! It's a free country and God gave us a free will for which we will all have to answer for someday. You are in for a rude awakening!
It is interesting to note that those mocking the authority of the literal, infallible scriptures, and me personally, are athiests, ultra liberals, liberal Christians which does include Catholics, and an old man who is a socialist/Communist, hates the government and country he lives in and worships a God of his own imagining that is admittedly imperfect and fallible. Why should I be suprised! In fact, this raging is exactly what the vWord of God describes in the first verse of the 22nd Psalm.

Jesus said we shouldn't be surprised if "the world hates us for His names sake, because the world first hated Him"! You all just prove Him and the scriptures to be 100% correct, literal and true!

At least I got my own classification, so I am better that all you other guys who are not on Ron's team.

anonemouse · March 3, 2007

I think I remember a beginning thread where you said you walked (ran?) away from "the church" at age 18? I totally related to that! I RAN away too! Funny how when you get a mind of your own you start to see things differently??

You remember correctly. Religion is just one of those things where belief doesn't make sense to me. I can understand and support other people believing in it, but it never sat (set? hmmm) right with me. Other people would talk about "the space that religion fills" or "feeling like a part of you is missing", and I never got that. I don't have any empty spaces or feel incomplete. To me, modern religion is about as believable as the Greek or Egyptian mythologies. It's a great story, but to base your whole existance on it? Other people may be able to do that (and I support their choice whole-heartedly), but I can't. Literally, "can't," not "won't."