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He didn't lie! He presented the intelligence that was provided to him by the CIA and the British. Granted it was faulty intelligence, at least in part, but he didn't lie. If that was something that liberals could prove, we would be looking at a pending impeachment. That is pure liberal hype!

This was not true. As I have previously posted in other threads, Hans Blix was the head of an international team placed in Iraq; his team was sponsored by the UN with the mandate to search out any and all weapons of mass destruction. They found none and Blix made a report to this effect to the American Congress prior to the invasion of Iraq.

It is important to note that Blix had previously headed up a team of international WMD hunters in Iraq after the Desert Storm-Iraq-Kuwait skirmish in the early 1990s. He and his team spent some years in Iraq at this time.

He was recalled by the UN to do further further research in Iraq with a team of his choosing post 9/11. He and his team of international WMD hunters found nothing in the country and did report this to Congress before the invasion of Iraq.

As to Cusano's allegations that these weapons were shipped to Syria at this point, this is questionable. It is my understanding that our space recognisance technology is so sophisticated that the movement of this materiel could not have passed unspotted.

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When we went to Alaska last summer we were shown areas that used to hold massive glaciers for all of recorded history until recently. The people who live there told us that they had never seen the glaciers melting as much as they are today. That's just one girl's experience, obviously isn't scientific or perhaps even true. But it sure made me think a lot about whether we should believe the scientists and environmentalists or whether we should believe the politicians and people who say they just don't buy it, because this is just a cyclical change we're experiencing.

Besides, would you rather believe your president or your lying eyes?

Oof! Green wishes she was there with you, grrl.......... It would have been very much fun to see an important part of the globe with someone fun, eh. Green has also got to admit that she has attempted to travel in the polar regions a number of times now but has found this to be very difficult and very expensive. It is much easier and cheaper for Canuck Grrl to go to India or Turkey than to travel to the polar regions.:phanvan Colour this grrl green with envy, eh............:)

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So I'm asking again, because if you answered I didn't see your response. If you profess to be a Christian and do NOT believe the Bible is literal, do you believe that Jesus is the Son of God, that He was crucified, died, and was resurrected on the third day?

The title Lucifer, means light-bringer, and he's frequently referred to as the Morning Star.

In the Bible, Jesus frequently refers to himself as the Morning Star.

Is Jesus an avatar of Lucifer?

People keep speaking of Hell. But in the Bible, there is no Hell. There is only Paradise and outside the gates of Paradise. (In what I've read, at least). Could someone point me to Hell?

What about the books that didn't make it into the Bible? The Gospel of Thomas? The Gospel of Enoch?

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No one comes to faith in Jesus through anything other than the Bible.
And just as you may get accused of beating a dead horse, telling people they have to believe my way or they're going to hell, and a host of other things -- I may get accused of ripping things apart, whining, being pathetic, vile, disgusting, and telling lies from the bowels of hell. Oh wait, I already have.

But I do have an honest comment, which could be interpreted as a question as well. I believe people come to faith in Jesus through other people all the time. So I'm not sure if "through" means "through reading", or "through analzying", or what. Do you believe that everyone out there who would answer "Yes!" to the question, "Do you have faith in Jesus" has read the bible?

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The term "Morning Star" is used twice in scripture, KJV and both time it refers to jesus and is located in the Rook of Revelations.

Allow me to point out HELL to you that you say does not appear in the Bible . . .

Matt. 5:22 Matt: 5:29 Matt: 10:28 Matt: 11:23 Matt: 16:18

Matt: 18:9 Matt: 23:15 Matt:23.33 Mark 9:43 Mark 9:45

Mark: 9:47 Luke: 10:15 Luke: 12:5 Luke: 16:23 Acts: 2:27

Act: 2:31 James 3:6 2Peter 2:4 Rev: 1:18 Rev. 6:8

Rev: 20:13 Rev: 20:14

The books of The Gospel of Thomas? The Gospel of Enoch are not canon because the theologians did not consider them inspired, accurate or to have spiritual authority.

You are wrong on all three points!

The title Lucifer, means light-bringer, and he's frequently referred to as the Morning Star.

In the Bible, Jesus frequently refers to himself as the Morning Star.

Is Jesus an avatar of Lucifer?

People keep speaking of Hell. But in the Bible, there is no Hell. There is only Paradise and outside the gates of Paradise. (In what I've read, at least). Could someone point me to Hell?

What about the books that didn't make it into the Bible? The Gospel of Thomas? The Gospel of Enoch?

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Coming to faith in Jesus literally means "believing we is who he claims to be, believing what he claims to have done, and accepting him as your sin offering to God"!

So I think your question actually is, HOW do people come to faith in Jesus. The scriptures say "faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the Word of God" (the Bible) It is the scriptures that bring about faith, but the knowledge of the scriptures could come from reading them yourself, believing the testimony of someone else, hearing a preacher, etc. Ultimately, it is the message contained within the scriptures that bring about saving faith.

Does this explain it?

And just as you may get accused of beating a dead horse, telling people they have to believe my way or they're going to hell, and a host of other things -- I may get accused of ripping things apart, whining, being pathetic, vile, disgusting, and telling lies from the bowels of hell. Oh wait, I already have.

But I do have an honest comment, which could be interpreted as a question as well. I believe people come to faith in Jesus through other people all the time. So I'm not sure if "through" means "through reading", or "through analzying", or what. Do you believe that everyone out there who would answer "Yes!" to the question, "Do you have faith in Jesus" has read the bible?

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PS - I don't consider this "ripping things apart, whining, being pathetic, vile, disgusting, and telling lies from the bowels of hell"! I consider it a good and legitimate question worthy of a serious answer.

And just as you may get accused of beating a dead horse, telling people they have to believe my way or they're going to hell, and a host of other things -- I may get accused of ripping things apart, whining, being pathetic, vile, disgusting, and telling lies from the bowels of hell. Oh wait, I already have.

But I do have an honest comment, which could be interpreted as a question as well. I believe people come to faith in Jesus through other people all the time. So I'm not sure if "through" means "through reading", or "through analzying", or what. Do you believe that everyone out there who would answer "Yes!" to the question, "Do you have faith in Jesus" has read the bible?

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Lisa made my point about believing without having to take the Bible literally word for word. I made it earlier too, but thanks Lisa for repeating what we've already said over, and over and over. Maybe if we say it a few more times it will sink in.

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I tell you what then, when the Taliban and Osama come for a visit, you be the first one to greet them with a kiss!
Are they going to fly "Air Taliban" or "Air Al-Quiada"? Or are they coming in their war ships or air force?

BTW, how come your hero, George W. BuSh gave the Taliban $43,000,000 in April or May of 2001?

Anyway, I hope t he way of Jesus is not to torture 100 innocent Muslims until we find one bad one. If we do that, we may be creating 99 bad ones.

St. John VI, 1-15: " After these things Jesus went over the sea of Galilee, which is the sea of Tiberias. And a great multitude followed him, because they saw his miracles which he did on them that were diseased. And Jesus went up into a mountain, and there he sat with his disciples. And the passover, a feast of the Jews, was nigh. When Jesus then lifted up his eyes, and saw a great company come unto him, he saith unto Philip, Whence shall we buy bread, that these may eat? And this he said to prove him: for he himself knew what he would do. Philip answered him, Two hundred penny-worth of bread is not sufficient for them, that everyone of them may take a little. One of his disciples, Andrew, Simon Peter's brother, saith unto him, There is a lad here, which hath five barley loaves, and two small fishes: but what are they among so many? And Jesus said, Make the men sit down. Now there was much grass in the place. So the men sat down, in number about five thousand. And Jesus took the loaves; and when he had given thanks, he distributed to the disciples, and the disciples to them that were set down; and likewise of the fishes as much as they would. When they were filled, he said unto his disciples, Gather up the fragments that remain, that nothing be lost. Therefore they gathered them together, and filled twelve baskets with the fragments of the five barley loaves, which remained over and above unto them that had eaten. Then those men, when they had seen the miracle that Jesus did, said, This is of a truth that prophet that should come into the world. When Jesus therefore perceived that they would come and take him by force, to make him a king, he departed again into a mountain himself alone."

Just like Jesus, BuSh has Multiplied the terrorist threat by treating innocent Muslims like they were bad. The result has been the greatest recruitment drive that Al-Quiada could hope for. Yes, BuSh has taken a page right from the Bible.

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The term "Morning Star" is used twice in scripture, KJV and both time it refers to jesus and is located in the Rook of Revelations.

Allow me to point out HELL to you that you say does not appear in the Bible . . .

Matt. 5:22 Matt: 5:29 Matt: 10:28 Matt: 11:23 Matt: 16:18

Matt: 18:9 Matt: 23:15 Matt:23.33 Mark 9:43 Mark 9:45

Mark: 9:47 Luke: 10:15 Luke: 12:5 Luke: 16:23 Acts: 2:27

Act: 2:31 James 3:6 2Peter 2:4 Rev: 1:18 Rev. 6:8

Rev: 20:13 Rev: 20:14

The books of The Gospel of Thomas? The Gospel of Enoch are not canon because the theologians did not consider them inspired, accurate or to have spiritual authority.

Christianity has a great depth of spiritual mysticism, and esoteric knowledge to offer. Unfortunately, much of it is lost to literal interpretations and inept priests.

You are wrong on all three points!

Not really. Typical round-about.

1) You never addressed the first point. You're only arguing about the frequency of how often Jesus refers to himself as the Morning Star.

2) I stated in what I've read, there is Paradise, and then the gnashing of teeth of those who are locked out of Paradise. I asked to have the actual "Hell" pointed out to me, as I'm curious about where it is.

3) More likely, it's because what they have to say challenges the uninspired, idiotic dogma of the Church.

I think there's a difference between Christianity and Churchianty. The Church is an institution that thrives on blind faith, constant donations, and inane dogma.

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Maybe we should have just given them free medical care, Visa cards and drivers licences without ID, like the illegal immigrants, and maybe those big, bad terrorists would then be nice to us! If you love them so much, I am sure you could find a home there if you didn't mind giving up your comfortable western lifestyle. I mean, that would be the "liberal" thing to do, right!

Are they going to fly "Air Taliban" or "Air Al-Quiada"? Or are they coming in their war ships or air force?

BTW, how come your hero, George W. BuSh gave the Taliban $43,000,000 in April or May of 2001?

Anyway, I hope t he way of Jesus is not to torture 100 innocent Muslims until we find one bad one. If we do that, we may be creating 99 bad ones.

St. John VI, 1-15: " After these things Jesus went over the sea of Galilee, which is the sea of Tiberias. And a great multitude followed him, because they saw his miracles which he did on them that were diseased. And Jesus went up into a mountain, and there he sat with his disciples. And the passover, a feast of the Jews, was nigh. When Jesus then lifted up his eyes, and saw a great company come unto him, he saith unto Philip, Whence shall we buy bread, that these may eat? And this he said to prove him: for he himself knew what he would do. Philip answered him, Two hundred penny-worth of bread is not sufficient for them, that everyone of them may take a little. One of his disciples, Andrew, Simon Peter's brother, saith unto him, There is a lad here, which hath five barley loaves, and two small fishes: but what are they among so many? And Jesus said, Make the men sit down. Now there was much grass in the place. So the men sat down, in number about five thousand. And Jesus took the loaves; and when he had given thanks, he distributed to the disciples, and the disciples to them that were set down; and likewise of the fishes as much as they would. When they were filled, he said unto his disciples, Gather up the fragments that remain, that nothing be lost. Therefore they gathered them together, and filled twelve baskets with the fragments of the five barley loaves, which remained over and above unto them that had eaten. Then those men, when they had seen the miracle that Jesus did, said, This is of a truth that prophet that should come into the world. When Jesus therefore perceived that they would come and take him by force, to make him a king, he departed again into a mountain himself alone."

Just like Jesus, BuSh has Multiplied the terrorist threat by treating innocent Muslims like they were bad. The result has been the greatest recruitment drive that Al-Quiada could hope for. Yes, BuSh has taken a page right from the Bible.

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Maybe we should have just given them free medical care, Visa cards and drivers licences without ID, like the illegal immigrants, and maybe those big, bad terrorists would then be nice to us! If you love them so much, I am sure you could find a home there if you didn't mind giving up your comfortable western lifestyle. I mean, that would be the "liberal" thing to do, right!

WTF? Uh, yeah, and the conservative neo-con thing to do is to give terrorist organizations a butt-load of money, fly Bin Laden's family out of the US so they don't get questioned, protect Saudi Arabia even though most of the terrorists came from there, start a war with a country that has nothing to do with the terrorists but has oil, lie to the American people repeatedly and send thousands of our children to their death.

But, yeah, lets sit here and make inane comments about the liberals, because they're soooooo dangerous.

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