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[Tired_Old_Man 1]

Jesus, in the New Testament, treated the Old Testament as literal. If it's good enough for Him, it's good enough for me. If you believe that Jesus was crucified, died, and was resurrected on the third day, it seems you can only believe this through the authority of the Bible.

The authority of the Bible may or not be literal.

[Tired_Old_Man 1]

Is that your story?? Is that what you're saying? No, I wouldn't believe you, but at least I would know where you were coming from and I could also express my opinion of your beliefs like you love to do about mine.

Of course that is not how I got my faith. I just asked if you would believe it.

[gadgetlady 4]

So was Jesus crucified, did He die, and was He resurrected on the third day?

[Ron Cusano 0]

Either it is or it isn't! It can't be both!!

The authority of the Bible may or not be literal.

[anonemouse 1]

Either it is or it isn't! It can't be both!!

Exactly, Ron. You yourself have said that certain parts of the Bible must be interpreted in context. If something has to have "context" to be interpreted correctly, it isn't literal.

[Ron Cusano 0]

It is literal for that context!

Exactly, Ron. You yourself have said that certain parts of the Bible must be interpreted in context. If something has to have "context" to be interpreted correctly, it isn't literal.

[Tired_Old_Man 1]

Either it is or it isn't! It can't be both!!

That is your opinion.

My opinion is: "Some parts may be literal and some parts may be allegorical."

See how I did that, Ron?

I didn't say you were wrong. I didn't say you would burn in Hell. I didn't even say I was better or smarter than you.

And yes, I am being a wise guy. Because after almost 800 posts, how many people have you brought closer to Jesus? I would consider your Ministry a failure here at LBT.

All because the messenger can not put forth a message without driving people away.

Earlier you said that I cry. I am laughing so hard that my finger are having a hard time hitting the right keys. You make a mockery of Christianity. Too bad you were not born in Kuwait or Pakistan. Osama could use more followers.

[Ron Cusano 0]

There is that hot air again!

That is your opinion.

My opinion is: "Some parts may be literal and some parts may be allegorical."

See how I did that, Ron?

I didn't say you were wrong. I didn't say you would burn in Hell. I didn't even say I was better or smarter than you.

And yes, I am being a wise guy. Because after almost 800 posts, how many people have you brought closer to Jesus? I would consider your Ministry a failure here at LBT.

All because the messenger can not put forth a message without driving people away.

Earlier you said that I cry. I am laughing so hard that my finger are having a hard time hitting the right keys. You make a mockery of Christianity. Too bad you were not born in Kuwait or Pakistan. Osama could use more followers.

[gadgetlady 4]

That is your opinion.

My opinion is: "Some parts may be literal and some parts may be allegorical."

How do you determine what is literal and what is allegorical. If Jesus treated it as literal, is that good enough for you? Because He was pretty clear about OT stuff.

[Carlene 12]

It is literal for that context!

....HUH????....

[gadgetlady 4]

Here's an example of something that's literal for the context in which it was written: if a man asks for your shirt, give him your cloak as well. Not too many people these days carry cloaks. So it was literal in the context of the time, but not literal for us today -- rather than cloaks, we should substitute coat -- or perhaps money. I'm sure there are a ton of things in the Bible referencing sandals or headcoverings, which make sense and were meant to be taken literally in the context of the day, but don't make sense literally today.

I'm quite sure, intellectually, that all of you can grasp this concept.

[Carlene 12]

Here's an example of something that's literal for the context in which it was written: if a man asks for your shirt, give him your cloak as well. Not too many people these days carry cloaks. So it was literal in the context of the time, but not literal for us today -- rather than cloaks, we should substitute coat -- or perhaps money. I'm sure there are a ton of things in the Bible referencing sandals or headcoverings, which make sense and were meant to be taken literally in the context of the day, but don't make sense literally today.

I'm quite sure, intellectually, that all of you can grasp this concept.

You are confusing context and semantics. Context means "setting" or circumstances. The term "cloak" has nothing to do with the context.

[gadgetlady 4]

In the context of the day, cloak was literal, understood, and the appropriate word to use. In the SETTING of the day, cloak makes sense. In today's context, today's setting, today's circumstances, it doesn't.

[anonemouse 1]

lit·er·al (lĭt'ər-əl) Pronunciation Key

adj.

1. 
   
2. Being in accordance with, conforming to, or upholding the exact or primary meaning of a word or words.
   
3. Word for word; verbatim: a literal translation.
   
4. Avoiding exaggeration, metaphor, or embellishment; factual; prosaic: a literal description; a literal mind.
   
5. Consisting of, using, or expressed by letters: literal notation.
   
6. Conforming or limited to the simplest, nonfigurative, or most obvious meaning of a word or words.

con·text /ˈkɒntɛkst/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[kon-tekst] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation –noun

1. 
   
2. the parts of a written or spoken statement that precede or follow a specific word or passage, usually influencing its meaning or effect: You have misinterpreted my remark because you took it out of context.
   
3. the set of circumstances or facts that surround a particular event, situation, etc.

Again, if you must use context to correctly interpret something, it isn't literal.

[anonemouse 1]

In the context of the day, cloak was literal, understood, and the appropriate word to use. In the SETTING of the day, cloak makes sense. In today's context, today's setting, today's circumstances, it doesn't.

Gadgetlady, a cloak is a cloak is a cloak. You don't need context to correctly interpret that word.