popcorn.

[Kalimomof3 613]

Danelle' date=' my surgeon gave it to me with my surgery packet. It was listed as foods to avoid in the meal plan. It is things that are hard to digest. popcorn, larger seeds like in blackberries and boysenberries. also seeds with a hazardous shape like caraway seeds that can get stuck. Coconut is another thing that your body does not digest and can create a blockage. Your stomach can't "flush out" the way it did before surgery unless you stretch it back out. Things that are fibrous like asparagus are also more difficult but you may be able to eat those by cooking them until they are tender, eventually. Most healthy things you will be able to eat the farther out you get.

My NUTs and PA said to achieve long term success you have to accept the reality that there are things you will never eat again. I am in this for the long haul and the only person I hurt by eating unhealthy foods for my redesigned tummy is Me. Drew Carey after losing over 100 pounds once said, "Eating crappy food isn't a reward, it's a punishment!" He was right. Some people may choose to continue to eat wrong, but I am NEVER going back to where I was and am willing to do whatever I have to do to accomplish that! I know too many people with a cavalier attitude about what they are eating, believing that their surgery would save them, and the scales are climbing. One by one they stop coming to the support group. They all bragged about what they "could" eat. What they would eat and now say they wished they never started eating those things again. For me this surgery tamed my hunger beast. The last thing I want to do is wake it up. Think of feeding yourself as if you were feeding a baby. There are a lot of things you wouldn't give them because they are too hard to digest or just simply not healthy. That's really what this surgery does. It gives you a second chance to do it right. It really is just common sense. And most importantly it IS up to you!![/quote']

You can't stretch your stomach back out it has been stated time after time.My surgeon and most if his colleagues have stated that over and over. It is about choices. I have seen the "Oh I eat better than everyone"judgemental patients stop coming to support group too after they gain weight from all their graze binging. Not to say that everyone who choses to "eat right" does this but some do. Just as some people who chose to have a treat in moderation fail to lose weight, gain weight, or regain BUT some don't.I for one refuse to let food take hold of me again in any extreme way where either I love it can't get enough or I am afraid of it like some people are....

[melodymouse 196]

You can't stretch your stomach back out it has been stated time after time.My surgeon and most if his colleagues have stated that over and over. It is about choices. I have seen the "Oh I eat better than everyone"judgemental patients stop coming to support group too after they gain weight from all their graze binging. Not to say that everyone who choses to "eat right" does this but some do. Just as some people who chose to have a treat in moderation fail to lose weight' date=' gain weight, or regain BUT some don't.I for one refuse to let food take hold of me again in any extreme way where either I love it can't get enough or I am afraid of it like some people are....[/quote']

So NOT TRUE!! Do you go to an actual support group where you can physically see people? A doctor came to ours and brought surgery pictures of a woman's stomach who had to have hers redone. 3 years out and she was eating 10, that's right TEN pieces of pizza at a time. You couldn't even see the staple line anymore because it was buried in FAT!! This is such a potential problem that my health plan has instigated a policy that they will only pay for this surgery once and may not cover complications if they are a result of deliberate patient abuse.

Your stomach can MOST DEFINITELY STRETCH BACK OUT!!!!!!!

[No game 14,437]

Could it be possible the the surgeon did not get all of the fundus the first time?? If the fundus is not COMPLETELY removed it can stretch...

[O.T.R. sleever 3,386]

So NOT TRUE!! Do you go to an actual support group where you can physically see people? A doctor came to ours and brought surgery pictures of a woman's stomach who had to have hers redone. 3 years out and she was eating 10' date=' that's right TEN pieces of pizza at a time. You couldn't even see the staple line anymore because it was buried in FAT!! This is such a potential problem that my health plan has instigated a policy that they will only pay for this surgery once and may not cover complications if they are a result of deliberate patient abuse.

Your stomach can MOST DEFINITELY STRETCH BACK OUT!!!!!!!

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The only way a sleeve can be stretched to that extent is if it wasn't formed properly in the first place.

I'm betting the picture he showed was from an RNY patient. Since their pouches are formed from the fundus which is very stretchy.

The sleeve on the other hand removes the fundus leaving only the muscular portion of the stomach.

Well, maybe if you cut a personal pan pizza into 10 slices

[No game 14,437]

The only way a sleeve can be stretched to that extent is if it wasn't formed properly in the first place.

I'm betting the picture he showed was from an RNY patient. Since their pouches are formed from the fundus which is very stretchy.

The sleeve on the other hand removes the fundus leaving only the muscular portion of the stomach.

Well' date=' maybe if you cut a personal pan pizza into 10 slices

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I was hoping you would weigh in on this!

What about the sleeve? Can a doctor mess up and not remove the whole fundus then resulting I'm a "stretched" sleeve?

I wonder if the importance of the total fundus removal was known for the surgeries preformed years ago ??

[O.T.R. sleever 3,386]

I was hoping you would weigh in on this!

What about the sleeve? Can a doctor mess up and not remove the whole fundus then resulting I'm a "stretched" sleeve?

I wonder if the importance of the total fundus removal was known for the surgeries preformed years ago ??

Yes, there have been cases where the surgeon failed to remove all the fundus. This has resulted in patients needing to be "resleeved". However I have never heard any sleeve even improperly formed stretching so much as to handle an entire large pizza in one sitting (I'm pretty sure a large is 10-12 slices). Not saying its impossible, but if it did happen, I think someone would have a malpractice case.

[No game 14,437]

Yes' date=' there have been cases where the surgeon failed to remove all the fundus. This has resulted in patients needing to be "resleeved". However I have never heard any sleeve even improperly formed stretching so much as to handle an entire large pizza in one sitting (I'm pretty sure a large is 10-12 slices). Not saying its impossible, but it did, I think someone would have a malpractice case.[/quote']

That was my next thought! If in fact some of the fundus WAS left how much can it really grow back or stretch...

Surgeons and doctors will say a lot of things...

For instance a woman yesterday said that at her seminar the surgeon said her stomach would be the size of his thumb... (Big thumb?)

They are people at the end if the day and though we would like to think they know everything... they don't

[maharet111 544]

That was my next thought! If in fact some of the fundus WAS left how much can it really grow back or stretch...

Surgeons and doctors will say a lot of things...

For instance a woman yesterday said that at her seminar the surgeon said her stomach would be the size of his thumb... (Big thumb?)

They are people at the end if the day and though we would like to think they know everything... they don't

Except if we put it in our mouth we will swallow it!!!!

I am in a goofy mood today!!

[melodymouse 196]

The only way a sleeve can be stretched to that extent is if it wasn't formed properly in the first place.

I'm betting the picture he showed was from an RNY patient. Since their pouches are formed from the fundus which is very stretchy.

The sleeve on the other hand removes the fundus leaving only the muscular portion of the stomach.

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It was a sleeve. It was also done in the earlier stages of VSG development so who knows. She does have a RNY now because they could not or would not redo the sleeve but only convert it to that. Someone did ask if it had been done incorrectly (something I think deep down we all fear) and the answer was no. It was deemed patient abuse!

I admit I am overly cautious even sometimes a little paranoid. I had a freak thing happen at 3 weeks. My intestines twisted. While I was on liquid I had some discomfort but things still went through. As I progressed to solid food I developed an obstruction and had to have a second surgery to correct it. It was brutal! It was also a blessing in disguise because I was given a lot of additional information. I have more scar tissue which makes me more susceptible to another obstruction and that is something I definitely would not want to go through again. It was the worst experience of my life!

I share what I have been told because I believe Knowledge IS Power. I'm not saying these things are going to happen to anyone else. I didn't even think something would go wrong for me, but it did. Fortunately because of what my primary had put me through before the surgery, I was prepared to deal with it. I would just like to see people be as well informed as possible. My primary does not approve of this surgery. It took three years of going to classes, seminars, counseling, support groups just to get her to approve me. Another blessing in disguise. I learned a lot on my journey. She gave me a wonderful gift by making me earn it. I will be eternally grateful!

[Kalimomof3 613]

Yes I go to a support group where I see people it is at San Antonio Military Medical Center which is where I was sleeved. I wasn't mistaken about what my surgeon told us in the seminar about sleeves not stretching (if done right ) as others have chimed in and also stated . I have to say that I did read an article written by a Bariatrician in which he said while a sleeve won't truly stretch it may become more compliant over time if you force it to and it may hold more but when empty it will be the same size kind of like a balloon you fill with air once the air is gone the balloon goes back to original size mor or less but even with this he's says you would still feel restriction.

That being said I never said I was going to eat a ton of popcorn or challenge the size of my sleeve by stuffing myself. I can't believe if you go to an actual group where you see actual people you haven't met anyone who stringent eating does not work for that is not fat again.My group has a huge variety of people and no 2 do things exactly the same way and most are successful thus far:)

[melodymouse 196]

Yes I go to a support group where I see people it is at San Antonio Military Medical Center which is where I was sleeved. I wasn't mistaken about what my surgeon told us in the seminar about sleeves not stretching (if done right ) as others have chimed in and also stated . I have to say that I did read an article written by a Bariatrician in which he said while a sleeve won't truly stretch it may become more compliant over time if you force it to and it may hold more but when empty it will be the same size kind of like a balloon you fill with air once the air is gone the balloon goes back to original size mor or less but even with this he's says you would still feel restriction.

That being said I never said I was going to eat a ton of popcorn or challenge the size of my sleeve by stuffing myself. I can't believe if you go to an actual group where you see actual people you haven't met anyone who stringent eating does not work for that is not fat again.My group has a huge variety of people and no 2 do things exactly the same way and most are successful thus far:)

Clearly you are not reading my whole posts before you reply. My best to you and yours!

[ImLooznit 171]

We should ALL, be very careful what and how much we eat.... I know people that have had the surgery that it blows my mind what THEY eat, the amount...... I am responsible for ME.... they can do what they choose, if they blow it......so be it......I will walk on proudly........... and hold my head up. She is only trying to pass out the info she has been given, don't try to beat her up for passing the words. IF you want to eat popcorn EAT IT. We are all different, and we all follow different rules.

[*susan* 1,709]

popcorn is one of my favorite treats...

Just saying.

I don't use butter, instead I use a little garlic infused olive oil... Yummy!

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[Kalimomof3 613]

We should ALL' date=' be very careful what and how much we eat.... I know people that have had the surgery that it blows my mind what THEY eat, the amount...... I am responsible for ME.... they can do what they choose, if they blow it......so be it......I will walk on proudly........... and hold my head up. She is only trying to pass out the info she has been given, don't try to beat her up for passing the words. IF you want to eat popcorn EAT IT. We are all different, and we all follow different rules.[/quote']

No ones "beating up" anyone my response was more to the generalization she made about people with a cavalier attitude in response to someone's choice to eat 1 "bad food" which happened to be popcorn. I myself have said many times many ways everyone is different. I give people my opinion they can take it or leave it.If they respond to me in what I consider a aggressive or passive aggressive way I return the favor in kind.I am not perfect nor do I know all I am careful about what and how much I eat.I know my tool the sleeve works for me and will continue for years to come and even if do make a poor food choice it will be limited

[Euroyen99 37]

I have only been sleeved for two months...... But eventually I hope to know everything........ Just like Melodymouse........ I have noticed that she is always right and that is what I aspire to. Thank you Melodymouse for giving me something to strive for. Your vast knowledge and complete confidence in your opinion are truly an inspiration. If I really try hard and read a lot of blogs and conspiracy sites and memorize a lot of half truths I just may make it.