Am I doomed? (Please say no!)

[Kellylynn 56]

I think people are coming from a good place' date=' but nobody knows you well enough or is certified to tell you what you are or are not ready for. I ate a complete monsterous pig pre op with several food funerals but am doing great post op. People probably would have said I wasn't ready either but here I am 6 months out 73 pounds down with not one single regret! It sounds like you've spent a lot of time preparing for this. I've got faith in you![/quote']

I agree with you completely. I do think people are coming from a good place but sometimes cross a line.

Congratulations to you and your success! I am so happy for you!

[Kellylynn 56]

If you're looking for opinions and support' date=' then you must be prepared that some opinions are going to be not what you hoped to hear. I don't think anyone was being particularly harsh. No one was being accused of being incompetent, or bad, or a failure - I doubt that you any of those things.

Had you said you cheated a night or two, well that's human. I'd probably be right along with the rest saying that you're fine, get back up and stick with the plan and it's all good.

However, that's not what was said (which is all we have to go by). when you tell me that you did not stick to the diet even one single day, then that's a red flag, and I'm going to point that out. It's the same level of judgement as someone else who says "you'll be fine," and has just as much basis. I'm saying that based on that behavior, it doesn't sound like you're fully committed, and it would be worth talking it through with an expert to make sure you're good to go. Better safe than sorry. If you see that as harsh because it isn't reinforcing what you want to hear, I'm sorry. It's meant in a kind and supportive way, and in no way is meant as judgemental of anything but the reported behavior and it's impact. Ultimately I want all of us to have the best chance to succeed.

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I don't disagree with you in being prepared for comments from all perspectives; but you also should be prepared that not everyone will simply sit back and accept what you have to offer. . We can ALL disagree - even those of us who are seeking input.

I shouldn't have used the word harsh - I do think they crossed a line in making such a final determination / but were not necessarily harsh.

I am a senior leader in my agency and am exposed to opinions and people who disagree with each other on a daily if not hourly basis.

I do believe you were coming from a good place but took it just s bit to too far - my opinion.

I wish you the best of luck as you continue your journey and hope we can continue to agree to disagree.

:-)

[SpaceDust 585]

I don't disagree with you in being prepared for comments from all perspectives; but you also should be prepared that not everyone will simply sit back and accept what you have to offer. . We can ALL disagree - even those of us who are seeking input.

I shouldn't have used the word harsh - I do think they crossed a line in making such a final determination / but were not necessarily harsh.

I am a senior leader in my agency and am exposed to opinions and people who disagree with each other on a daily if not hourly basis.

I do believe you were coming from a good place but took it just s bit to too far - my opinion.

I wish you the best of luck as you continue your journey and hope we can continue to agree to disagree.

:-)

I only offer advice based on observation, not some sort of diagnosis, and I'm always perfectly fine with it being taken or not, as applicable. As others here will tell you, I certainly don't believe that everyone needs therapy.

Had you simply said you didn't think it applied in this case and moved on, I would have thought nothing of it. I don't always have to be right, and the only winning I see is someone being successful.

I agree that in the case of your line, we will agree to disagree. Some form of counseling is a common suggestion here because so many here have addiction and other issues that impact behaviors. It is only meant as a suggestion of one form of helpful support, but if you find that to be troublesome (and fair enough of you do - we all have our lines about something), I wanted to give you a heads up.

Oh, and on a lighter note, I have almost never failed at dieting. I'm a pro at that. It is the maintaining has me stymied

Good luck!

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[Kellylynn 56]

I only offer advice based on observation' date=' not some sort of diagnosis, and I'm always perfectly fine with it being taken or not, as applicable. As others here will tell you, I certainly don't believe that everyone needs therapy.

Had you simply said you didn't think it applied in this case and moved on, I would have thought nothing of it. I don't always have to be right, and the only winning I see is someone being successful.

I agree that in the case of your line, we will agree to disagree. Some form of counseling is a common suggestion here because so many here have addiction and other issues that impact behaviors. It is only meant as a suggestion of one form of helpful support, but if you find that to be troublesome (and fair enough of you do - we all have our lines about something), I wanted to give you a heads up.

Oh, and on a lighter note, I have almost never failed at dieting. I'm a pro at that. It is the maintaining has me stymied

Good luck!

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I have no issue with the suggestion of counseling - it was simply your statement that I am not ready for surgery. In my opinion this was a presumptuous statement.

I look forward to hearing how your journey goes. From your blog it appears your surgery is a few months away. I wish you the best of luck.

[gigi1981 10]

I'd be quite worried, the reason that they get you to go on a pre-op diet is to reduce the fat around your internal organs. If they are too fatty it makes the surgery riskier and they may need to switch from laparoscopic to an open incision.

Also there is no cheating once you have had the surgery or you could do some serious damage and create a hole in your stomach.

This is your health you need to be honest with your doctor and let him / her know exactly what is happening with your food intake.

Best of luck in your journey.

[Arts137 1,811]

Well with the removal of the stomach is the removal of the major producer of a 'hunger hormone', Ghrelin. That might help. BUT you MUST follow the post-op rules to allow the stomach to heal. If food pieces get into the healing stomach, you could have an emergency situation.

You do know that VSG is not magic, you still have to dramatically change how you approach food and exercise. Get your head right and your tummy will follow.

Good Luck, I'll be following you in a month!

[buplee 556]

Kellylynn, I wish you the best on your journey. I agree you need to let your surgeon know about your eating habits. I had a long fight with my insurance company and had some time to deal with my food issues. I went to a therapist weekly to come to terms with my feelings about having surgery, and how my life would change. It worked for me but may not be for everyone. Once I knew my surgery date, I used those 6 weeks to follow a modified post-op diet. I took my stance from my experience with two people who had surgery ( I know a total of 5) and failed because they could not stick to the plan. Maybe that is not you and hopefully you won't become one of the wls failures. I know we have all had issues with food. Whether it is because we have a sweet tooth, snack or eat constantly, or just eat too much food at a sitting. I am fairly new at 10 weeks post-op, but in the time leading up to my surgery and the time after, I have not cheated or have a desire to do so. I want all of us to succeed so much that I get passionate in my responses. This forum is one where you will get honesty, and tough love. You may or may not like or agree with what we say but it is meant to come from a good space. None or most of us know each other personally but we think of each other as part of our extended surgery and want to offer advice.

It is up to you to determine which is most helpful to you.

Good luck on your new lifelong journey to be thin.

[Kelsan 117]

Vixynne: You said it beautifully!!! I completely empathize with people like Kelly (as I am one of them) and your post said it so well so thank you!

[lizv123 389]

Well with the removal of the stomach is the removal of the major producer of a 'hunger hormone'' date=' Ghrelin. That might help. BUT you MUST follow the post-op rules to allow the stomach to heal. If food pieces get into the healing stomach, you could have an emergency situation.

You do know that VSG is not magic, you still have to dramatically change how you approach food and exercise. Get your head right and your tummy will follow.

Good Luck, I'll be following you in a month![/quote']

That's true for some. They push the gherlin aspect a lot. I still feel hunger, as many on this site still do. It's isn't the normal "growling" sensation one feels post op, but presents itself in different ways. For some it's headaches, weakness, for me it's nausea.

And you are absolutely right about tiny food particles (seeds, nuts, etc) getting lodge between staples and rotting or causing excessive swelling that will pop the sutures open.

This is why pre op diets are set up. Practice for what's to come. A slip up every now and then in pre op diets happen, but being almost entirely unable to follow a pre op diet (that's much less strict than the post op diet and the eating habits that follow in the rest of your life) are a giant red flag for one's readiness for this type of dedication. Same with those that don't stop smoking pre op. This is a life long commitment and there's no turning back.

[nessieberry 19]

Hi Kelly' date='

First let me say good luck on Friday.

I just read the whole thread... You are going to get lots of opinions on this (or any) forum.

Some you may agree with and some might just piss you off, and yes some might be down right rude.

I think if I had to guess what these two posters are talking about is that this surgery is a "tool"

Not a "miracle" and getting started on good habits early are important.

You are right none of us would be here if we had "willpower" and were able to control our eating.

But the truth of the matter is after surgery you will still have to make choices to either eat crappy (like a frosty, sorry woman above just a good example)

Or eat nutritious meals.

I know that you can do it! We all can do it, if we put our minds to it.

It just takes blood sweat and tears, like everything in life.

Laura

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Just for the record my point was that it doesn't hurt to give in a little bit...That you'll motivated by the sleeve and the weight loss to make healthy choices. The sleeve helps you by not allowing you to eat much of your unhealthy choices. I'm 10 days out, down 15(saw the doc yesterday) Yes I ate 2ounces of a frosty, but my point was that the other 99% of the time I've been good. I get all my Protein in and usually go over. I'm drinking Isopure and keeping my calories where they told me to.

If you really want to you can do this. Don't let anyone scare you out of this. There's a reason why you signed up for the surgery and chose a surgery date. Focus on that

[No game 14,437]

Just for the record my point was that it doesn't hurt to give in a little bit...That you'll motivated by the sleeve and the weight loss to make healthy choices. The sleeve helps you by not allowing you to eat much of your unhealthy choices. I'm 10 days out' date=' down 15(saw the doc yesterday) Yes I ate 2ounces of a frosty, but my point was that the other 99% of the time I've been good. I get all my Protein in and usually go over. I'm drinking Isopure and keeping my calories where they told me to.

If you really want to you can do this. Don't let anyone scare you out of this. There's a reason why you signed up for the surgery and chose a surgery date. Focus on that

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Moderation is a good thing yeah? I used the example of you eating the frosty at 9 days out from surgery though to show that it is all about choices.

I will assume that per your doctors orders frosty's are on the "ok" list right now. But as you get say.. 3 months out you will be able to eat a lot more of that frosty and other foods that may not be good for you. A lot of people tend to "eat around" the sleeve. That is they find out that slider foods go down much easier and you can eat much more of them. This can be a problem for those of us that have food issues, even after you have this surgery.

As someone said this surgery is a tool not a cure.

Now did I say she shouldn't have the surgery? NO! I think if she goes in armed with information she will have a better chance at success though.

[AmandaRaeLeo 2,146]

Moderation is a good thing yeah? <img src='http://www.bariatricpal.com/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='' /> I used the example of you eating the frosty at 9 days out from surgery though to show that it is all about choices.

I will assume that per your doctors orders frosty's are on the "ok" list right now. But as you get say.. 3 months out you will be able to eat a lot more of that frosty and other foods that may not be good for you. A lot of people tend to "eat around" the sleeve. That is they find out that slider foods go down much easier and you can eat much more of them. This can be a problem for those of us that have food issues' date=' even after you have this surgery.

As someone said this surgery is a tool not a cure.

Now an I say she shouldn't have the surgery? NO! I think if she goes in armed with information she will have a better chance at success though.

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Yum. Frosty.

[missmeow 156]

In all honesty what is disheartening is how some on the boards make it seem so easy to follow the pre-op diet. If I were able to successfully follow a diet' date=' I wouldn't need this surgery. And neither would you. While I appreciate all of the insight I do think lines are crossed when making such harsh judgments and declaring someone is not ready for surgery based on one post. I think it's important that we keep ourselves in check and not assume an authoritative, expert role.[/quote']

You asked and people are responding. I agree with spacedust. I worry you will get this done and have a lot of regret if you haven't started working through your food issues. A lot of people have been posting regrets and the process can move very fast sometimes faster than your brain can catch up with.

[No game 14,437]

Yum. Frosty.

Wanna share one??

[Kelsan 117]

Pre-op here, but what are some examples of "slider foods"? I hear that word mentioned often, but don't really know what it is.