Lighten up a little...

[No game 14,437]

Oh by the way we went to " the falafel drive in" tonight and I had hummus and two FRIED falafel balls!!!

[Mason 122]

There, I tried to honor your request and bring it back to the original topic.

You are doing nothing of the kind. You are droning on incessantly with hyperbole, gross mischaracterizations of what I wrote, and ad hominem attacks because you took personal offense to what I wrote about fear and denial. All these sidebar discussions about Cheri's use of the word Nazi (and my subsequent reference to it), not surprisingly, are coming from the abstinence police (no offense intended to those of you who are on the job or married to cops). It's a lot easier to complain about the use of the word Nazi than to validate the abstinence model.

I never wrote that eating a Big Mac or Krispy Kreme doughnut, per se, was healthy, or--for that matter--that crack addicts shouldn't abstain from crack cocaine. My main point, one that I've repeated numerous times, is that there is NO empirical evidence to support the abstinence model in regard to food addiction and weight loss maintenance success. But, hey, if abstaining from certain foods makes you feel good about yourself, knock your socks off.

Just stop trying to impose this philosophical crap on other members!

[*Dean* 1,594]

Oh by the way we went to " the falafel drive in" tonight and I had hummus and two FRIED falafel balls!!!

I love falafel

[iggychic 1,405]

You are doing nothing of the kind. You are droning on incessantly with hyperbole' date=' gross mischaracterizations of what I wrote, and ad hominem attacks because you took personal offense to what I wrote about fear and denial. All these sidebar discussions about Cheri's use of the word Nazi (and my subsequent reference to it), not surprisingly, are coming from the abstinence police (no offense intended to those of you who are on the job or married to cops). It's a lot easier to complain about the use of the word Nazi than to validate the abstinence model.

I never wrote that eating a Big Mac or Krispy Kreme doughnut, per se, was healthy, or--for that matter--that crack addicts shouldn't abstain from crack cocaine. My main point, one that I've repeated numerous times, is that there is NO empirical evidence to support the abstinence model in regard to food addiction and weight loss maintenance success. But, hey, if abstaining from certain foods makes you feel good about yourself, knock your socks off.

Just stop imposing this philosophical crap on other members![/quote']

Mason, I don't care what you eat. The word Nazi is offensive. Don't call me ANY N word....don't call anyone ANY N word. Do you possibly understand it's incredibly offensive????? Screw your doughnuts...it's a horrible slur to throw about like it's nothing. Do they teach history at your school??????

[No game 14,437]

I love falafel

It was really good! It was my first time not having something "good" but I'm still living and breathing

[selbradey 321]

I like falafel too....it would be great if i could bake it....i will try and let you guys know

[Butterthebean 8,146]

.

Just stop trying to impose this philosophical crap on other members!

Well....no I won't. Just because you can't find any peer reviewed studies saying people can't abstain from Big Macs, doesn't mean it can't be done.

I think the point I'm making with this....and this is really not for your benefit Mason, but for anyone else that may read this....is that there is certainly more than one path to success here. You don't have to indulge yourself with unhealthy foods to maintain over the long haul, in spite of the fact that Mason says you will fail if you do. And even though no one is saying you can never eat a Big Mac again, Mason is continuing to argue that those of us who choose not to are somehow the fanatical ones while he is the level headed intelligent one who has continually been attacked here...even though he has made several derogatory and slanderous remarks about others with no regard for who he was talking to or about. And when called out on the subject, he went back and edited his posts to say something different, and the lied about what he said....but never once owned up to the ugly, derogatory remarks he made like Cheri so graciously did.

That just about covers it....btw...I ate hummus this week and a Kit Kat last week. So I guess I'm covered from this abstinence violation syndrome. Now I will go seek the psychotherapy that Mason prescribes since he has so aptly long distance diagnosed anyone and everyone who feels the need to snack as "needing help."

[Mason 122]

Here's a fascinating study on the association between personality disorders and morbid obesity that is particularly apropos for this thread. I've appended a small excerpt from the introduction. Click on the hyperlinked title for the full article. Enjoy!

Personality Assessment in Morbid Obesity

Clinical experience suggests that morbidly obese persons seeking treatment for their obesity do have significantly more psychological problems than the normal population (Grana, 1989; Berman, 1993) and often exhibit passive-dependent and passive-aggressive personality traits (Castelnuovo-Tedesco, 1975, 1987). They may appear passive but express their hostility in interpersonal relationships (Bruch, 1973). Other authors have reported immaturity and poor impulse control (Hutzler, 1981), higher scores on the oral cluster traits (self-doubt, insecurity, sensitivity, dependence, compliance and emotional instability) (Larsen, 1989), eccentric cluster traits (paranoid, schizoid, schizotypal) and dramatic cluster traits (histrionic, narcissistic, borderline, antisocial) (Black, 1992) in these patients. After bariatric surgery, morbidly obese patients seem less disturbed, with more control of their situation, the psychological discomfort decreasing after one year follow-up (Larsen, 1989; Charles, 1987; Solow, 1977; Harris, 1982; Garner, 983; Chandarana, 1988; La Manna, 1992; Adami, 1994; Karlsson, 1998; van Gemert, 1998; Guisado, 2001). Studies on this subject have found a poor response to surgery with little weight loss in the presence of preoperative personality disorder (psychopathy and borderline traits) (Jonsson, 1986; Barrash, 1987; Larsen, 1990), and this finding may indicate that patients with a personality disorder diagnosis have more difficulties adapting to the strong demands of controlled eating behavior imposed on them by the surgical operation (Jonsson, 1986).

[Butterthebean 8,146]

Well, I feel better knowing I do not have a personality disorder since I've had no problem "adapting to the strong demands of controlled eating behavior imposed on them by the surgical operation".

[NurseGrace 509]

I'll just step up and say that I have used the "N word" *eye rolls because to my generation that means something TOTALLY different* and I won't be doing it anymore - Apologoes to those who are offended. In the generation I grew up in, that is an acceptable use of the word and it's widely understood that it has nothing to do with Jews, War, Germany, Germans and whatever else people associate it with. I had never taken it into consideration that it's actually sort of poor taste to throw it around and won't be doing it any longer.

On a more positive and serious note, would it be possible for users to have some kind of across the board (meaning something that we all self identify) tag next to our user names on our posts that state whether our philosophies are BY THE BOOK, MODERATE, LOOSE or whatever so that people can take that into consideration when we say things and its just automatic?

I notice that SO MUCH of the bickering and back and forth on this site really isn't because people are mean spirited, silly, or really even TRYING to attack anyone, but we have different ideas about how closely we follow the guidelines. That could be useful because if I ask for advice or support and someone knows that I AM following the rules they can take that into consideration when dealing with me, they can be more judicious about who/what topics they post on, and everyone can have a sense for WHERE people are coming from.

[kflan 27]

Lol. Seinfeld could totally have a field day with this thread! The Soup Nazi trying to force feed the Sleeve Nazis! Tune in next week....

People, why isn't this forum pretty much about asking questions and being supportive? No need to be overly- sensitive. No need to be cutting or harsh. No need to be a bully. No need to get on your high horse.

Be kind. Be courteous. Be open minded. Be calm.

[NurseGrace 509]

Here's a fascinating study on the association between personality disorders and morbid obesity that is particularly apropos for this thread. I've appended a small excerpt from the introduction. Click on the hyperlinked title for the full article. Enjoy!

Personality Assessment in Morbid Obesity

Clinical experience suggests that morbidly obese persons seeking treatment for their obesity do have significantly more psychological problems than the normal population (Grana, 1989; Berman, 1993) and often exhibit passive-dependent and passive-aggressive personality traits (Castelnuovo-Tedesco, 1975, 1987). They may appear passive but express their hostility in interpersonal relationships (Bruch, 1973). Other authors have reported immaturity and poor impulse control (Hutzler, 1981), higher scores on the oral cluster traits (self-doubt, insecurity, sensitivity, dependence, compliance and emotional instability) (Larsen, 1989), eccentric cluster traits (paranoid, schizoid, schizotypal) and dramatic cluster traits (histrionic, narcissistic, borderline, antisocial) (Black, 1992) in these patients. After bariatric surgery, morbidly obese patients seem less disturbed, with more control of their situation, the psychological discomfort decreasing after one year follow-up (Larsen, 1989; Charles, 1987; Solow, 1977; Harris, 1982; Garner, 983; Chandarana, 1988; La Manna, 1992; Adami, 1994; Karlsson, 1998; van Gemert, 1998; Guisado, 2001). Studies on this subject have found a poor response to surgery with little weight loss in the presence of preoperative personality disorder (psychopathy and borderline traits) (Jonsson, 1986; Barrash, 1987; Larsen, 1990), and this finding may indicate that patients with a personality disorder diagnosis have more difficulties adapting to the strong demands of controlled eating behavior imposed on them by the surgical operation (Jonsson, 1986).

As a nurse, and more specifically a mental health nurse, you should know that all things said here are general, could apply to just about any carefully selected section of the population and moreover, throwing studys around on the forms as though they directly relate to spefic people as to say "LOOK HERE, LOOK WHAT THIS CAREFULLY SELECTED PARAGRAPH IN THIS LONG STUDY SAYS, LOOK! SEE, YOURE PASSIVE AGGRESSIVE AND IMMATURE" is a bastardization of my profession.

[*Dean* 1,594]

As a nurse, and more specifically a mental health nurse, you should know that all things said here are general, could apply to just about any carefully selected section of the population and moreover, throwing studys around on the forms as though they directly relate to spefic people as to say "LOOK HERE, LOOK WHAT THIS CAREFULLY SELECTED PARAGRAPH IN THIS LONG STUDY SAYS, LOOK! SEE, YOURE PASSIVE AGGRESSIVE AND IMMATURE" is a bastardization of my profession.

....... plus there's the glass houses thing. I mean, we're all boombahs - or former boombahs lol

[No game 14,437]

"Boombahs" ?? Is that a derogatory term ??? O_o

[*Dean* 1,594]

"Boombahs" ?? Is that a derogatory term ??? O_o

Yer, but it was against myself as well .......... must be a personality disorder *shrugs*