George Bush: Worst American president in history

[Carlene 12]

Let's see. How do these people in Clinton's entourage fall into this category. Just asking..

James McDougal - died on Sunday, March 8, 1998 in John Peter Smith Hospital in Ft. Worth, Texas. He had been serving a federal prison sentence for fraud in connection with the Whitewater land deal. At first, he claimed to be innocent, but after being convicted of 18 felony counts, he cooperated with Special Prosecutor Kenneth Starr's investigation of the Clintons. He was scheduled to give damaging testimony against the Clintons, although critics of the investigation say his testimony had previously been inconsistent and that nothing new was expected to be revealed. A prison spokesman said McDougal died of a heart attack and had been suffering from heart disease and blocked arteries.

Mary Caitrin Mahoney - was murdered over the July 4th weekend in 1997 at the Georgetown Starbucks near Washington D.C.. She was the assistant manager and, according to published reports, she and two other employees were working late at night after the coffee bar had closed. All three were found shot to death. No money was taken and there was no sign of forced entry. In 1999, Carl Derick Cooper was charged with the murders, six armed robberies, and other shootings. Mahoney had interned for the White House official responsible for contact with the Asian-American community. TruthOrFiction.com has not found any documentation that she was about to "go public with her story of sexual harassment in the White House" or that her death was anything beyond that of a murder associated with the robbery. A report in The Washington Weekly explains that journalist Mike Isikoff had written that "a former White House staffer" with the initial "M" in her name was going to go public with a sexual harassment story and people speculated he meant Mary Mahoney and that was why she was killed. Later, it turned out that he was referring to Monica Lewinsky.

Vince Foster - He was found dead in Fort Marcy Park on July 20, 1993. Three investigations into Foster's death, including one by Independent Counsel Kenneth Starr, have concluded that the death was a suicide. Critics of the investigations say Foster's death does not fit the facts of a suicide and that there are a lot of unanswered questions about his death, some of the activities at the White House after his body was found, and the investigations themselves. Although there are numerous theories about what may have happened to Foster and why, none of them has been proven.

Ron Brown - Brown and 34 others died on April 3, 1996 when the Air Force jet carrying crashed into a mountainside in Croatia. The Air Force, in a 22-volume report issued in June of 1996, confirmed its initial judgment that the crash resulted from pilot errors and faulty navigation equipment. Subsequent controversy erupted, however, over autopsy photos. There is a hole in Ron Brown's skull which investigators say is consistent with a puncture that could have been caused by debris during the crash. Investigative reporter Christopher Ruddy came forward with an article in the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review in which he quoted Air Force pathologist, Lt. Col. Steve Cogswell as saying that the hole was perfectly round shape of a 45 caliber bullet. Cogswell had not actually examined the body. Later, another pathologist, Army Lt. Col. David Hause, said he had been working nearby the Ron Brown autopsy, overheard discussion about the round hole, walked over and looked at it and said it seemed like a bullet hole to him. Air Force Col. William Gormley, the pathologist who actually did the Ron Brown autopsy, said, however, that it is more of an indentation than a hole and that if there had been a bullet, there would have been either an exit wound or a bullet found in the body, and there were not. The Justice Department had opened an investigation into Brown's financial dealings.

C.Victor Raiser II and Montgomery Raiser - On July 30, 1992, Victor and Montgomery Raiser were killed in a plane crash while on a fishing trip in Alaska. He was a Washington lawyer and described as a "major player" in the Clinton organization. Investigation of the crash by the National Transportation Safety Board concluded that it was the result of pilot error.

Paul Tulley - His name was spelled "Tully" and he was a top strategist for the Democrats and working with the Clinton campaign. He died of massive heart failure in a Little Rock motel room.

Ed Willey - According to published reports, Ed Willey was an attorney who owed the IRS $400,000 and had embezzled nearly $270,000 from one of his clients. The Willey's financial woes were a source of stress between Ed Willey and Kathleen Willey and she finally demanded a plan that would bring it to an end. There was a stormy family meeting about it on the night of November 28, 1993 and Ed Willey moved out of the house. The next day is when Kathleen Willey went to the White House to see Bill Clinton about a job. She says the president assaulted her during that visit. It was later discovered that Ed Willey had driven into the woods on the same day. His body was found by hunters on November 30, 1993. Authorities ruled his death a suicide by shotgun. There was a suicide note apologizing for the financial problems.

Jerry 'Luther' Parks - Jerry Luther Parks was the head of security for the Clinton-Gore Little Rock headquarters in 1992. On September 26, 1996, he was murdered down while driving through a Little Rock intersection. A lone gunman fired seven shots at him. This was two months after Vince Foster's death. Both Parks' wife and son have said that they believe Parks was murdered and that he feared for his life. His murder has never been solved. According to Gary Parks, Jerry Parks' son, the files were on the sexual escapades of Bill Clinton. They were not removed from Parks' house after his death. According to investigative reporter Christopher Ruddy, the files that Parks had been keeping on Clinton were taken during a burglary several weeks before Parks' death. Clyde Steelman, the homicide sergeant investigating the murders for the Little Rock Police told New York Times Magazine writer Philip Weiss that he didn't believe the theories of Parks' son and wife and that he'd found no evidence of the alleged files.

James Bunch - Shot himself.

James Wilson - He was known as John Wilson, a popular leader and political figure in the Washington D.C. area and Chairman of the District of Columbia Council. He was found dead on May 19,1993. Authorities ruled Wilson's death a suicide by hanging. According to numerous articles in the Washington Post, Wilson had long suffered from depression and had twice before attempted suicide. There is no evidence that he had any information about the Clintons or any ties to Whitewater.

Kathy Ferguson and Bill Shelton - Kathy Ferguson was found dead on May 11, 1994, five days after Paula Jones filed a sexual harassment lawsuit against President Bill Clinton. She died of a gunshot wound to the head and a suicide note was found. Her ex-husband was Arkansas Trooper Danny Ferguson, one of those named in the so-called "Troopergate" cases involving those who had been a part of then Governor Clinton's security detail. He was named in Paula Jones' suit. According to an Associated Press article on May 14, 1993, she was found not in her living room, however, but in the apartment of her boyfriend, Sherwood police officer Bill Shelton. The suicide note said, "I can't stay here any longer. Things will never be the same for us. I can't take that."

Thirty-one year old Bill Shelton was police officer in Sherwood, Arkansas, and engaged to Kathy Ferguson. It was in his apartment that she was found dead. He was one of many of her friends who felt that Ferguson did not commit suicide and that the coroner's report was not accurate about her wound being self-inflicted. He was found a month later sprawled over her grave with a gunshot wound to his head that was similar to what the coroner had described as Ferguson's wound.

Gandy Baugh - Gandy Baugh jumped out of a window of a multi-story building and died on January 8, 1994. Published reports say he was defending a man named Dan Lassater in a financial misconduct case. Lassater was an associate of Bill Clinton's who was convicted of cocaine distribution.

florence Martin - ???

Suzanne Coleman - A suicide victim, she was rumored to have had an affair with Clinton at one time, but there is no evidence that Clinton killed his girlfriends.

Paula Grober - Died in an automobile accident. No indication of foul play.

Danny Casolary and Paul Wilcher - Forty-four year old Danny Casolaro was found dead in the Sheraton hotel in Martinsburg, West Virginia on August 10, 1991. His wrists had been slashed. According to an October 14, 1991 People Magazine story on his death, he had warned friends and family that his life was in danger. He said it was because of what he called "the story of the century" but it was not about Bill Clinton. It was about the Regan-Bush administration and an alleged effort to delay the freeing of the hostages being held at the time by Iran in order to do damage to President Jimmy Carter's reelection bid.

Jon Parnell Walker - A suicide, presumably despondent because of his worsening health due to AIDS.

Barbara Wise - According to a report on WRC-TV in the Washington area, Wise's body was found in a locked office and was partly nude and bruised. The crime has never been solved. There has not been any evidence that her death was related to any of the Ron Brown or John Huang events.

Charles Meissner- Charles Meissner was among those killed along with Commerce Secretary Ron Brown in the crash of an Air Force plane in Croatia in 1996.

Dr. Stanley Heard - According to the National Transportation and Safety Board, the airplane crash in which Heard died was due to "AN INADEQUATE ANNUAL INSPECTION OF THE AIRPLANE AND NON-COMPLIANCE WITH AIRWORTHINESS DIRECTIVES BY COMPANY MAINTENANCE PERSONNEL." The NTSB says the airplane caught fire in the air and crashed while the pilot attempted to make an emergency landing. There is no evidence that we can find that links the crash or Dr. Stanley heard to any criminal.

Barry Seal - Several books could be written about Barry Seal. He was a danger-loving pilot who was regarded as the best known cocaine smuggler of the 1980's. He did not die in a car accident. He was murdered in Baton Rouge, Louisiana in 1986 by three men with machine guns and who were later arrested and convicted. They were Columbians and authorities say they were connected with the Medellin drug cartel. The Attorney General of Louisiana told U.S. Attorney General Ed Meese in 1986 that Seal smuggled $3 to $5 billion worth of drugs into the U.S. In 1981, Seal began running his smuggling operation out of a highly guarded and, for a while, secret airport in Mena, Arkansas. That airport and Seal's activities were to become a part of the investigation into the Iran-Contra controversy from the Reagan administration.

Johnson Franklin Lawhorn, Jr. - ??

Stanely Huggins - Died in July, 1994 from Viral Pneumonia

Hershell Friday - Herschel Friday was once considered one of the nation’s finest lawyers. President Richard Nixon considered appointing Friday to the US Supreme Court, but the American Bar Association felt his nomination was too controversial due to his firm’s representation of the Little Rock School District throughout the 1957 Central High School Crisis. Friday returned to his Arkansas law firm, Friday, Eldredge and Clark, one of the State’s oldest. Friday would later be a benefactor of Gov and President Bill Clinton. He died in 1994 in an aviation accident. There is no evidence that the tragedy was anything other than an accident.

Kevin Ives and Don Henry - There is no evidence the Henry and Ives case is connected to Bill Clinton. All seven of the men below may or may not have been involved in the deaths of Ives and Henry.

Keith Coney - Died in a motorcycle accident, 1988 when he struck the back of a truck.

Keith Mcmaskie- Stabbed to death.

Gregory Collins - Shotgun blast to face.

Jeff Rhodes - Died of gunshot wounds in 1989. Frank Pilcher was convicted of the crime.

James Milan- Also a murder victim, and a known criminal.

Jordan Kettleson - Another victim of gunshot wounds. And, like Rhodes, Milan, etc, was known to associate with criminals and drug users.

Richard Winters - Died of a shotgun blast.

I can't believe you made me work so hard!

[anonemouse 1]

I can't believe you made me work so hard!

Thanks Carlene, I was wondering who those people were. I think I am going to chalk those up there with the JFK assassination and the US entry into WWII conspiracy theories.

[anonemouse 1]

http://www.snopes.com/politics/clintons/bodycount.asp

I tried to post the entire article, but it wouldn't let me highlight it, for some reason.

[TommyO 5]

Laurend, HMMM, the sort of investigation done to prove that Clinton is responsible for these death's seems eerily simmilar to the proof that the universe is less than a few thousand years old or that the Noah's flood happened or that evolution is a myth and finally that global warming is a not caused by mankind.

You know what they say in Texas or maybe Tennesse fool me once.......

[anonemouse 1]

I definitely don't believe everything I hear about Bush. But the fact that some people do doesn't mean that it's right that you pass along crazy conspiracy theories, either. Whatever happened to "be the better person" and all that crap?

And I'm sure if you looked back at any of our lives, we all came in contact with a lot of people that died under circumstances that could be interpreted as "suspicious" if they were twisted enough. For example, a 1st cousin of mine was murdered, a second cousin of mine died in an unwitnessed ATV accident, an aquaintance of my brother's that I had been around drowned, several of my schoolmates died of overdoses, one schoolmate died of a brain aneurism, the wife of one of my university's deans and a couple of my schoolmates were killed in the recent plane crash in Lexington, Kentucky, etc., etc., etc. Does the fact that I am connected to all of them in some way or another mean that I killed them all?

[anonemouse 1]

I find it interesting that when I post anything, it has to be unequivocally wrong. lol. So much for tolerance and equality.

That's not true. Just when the stuff you post IS wrong. Don't blame us for discrediting that crap. Blame yourself for posting it in the first place.

[anonemouse 1]

lol, okay laurend, I give. You can be the queen of this thread.

I don't want to be the queen of the thread, damn it. I just expect people to stop acting passive-aggressively when the crap they post is rightfully shot down. Hell, I learned a long time ago that if I didn't want to get smacked, to stop doing things that got me smacked. I'm pretty sure we all learned that lesson. So if you don't want to be told that you're wrong, make sure you're not wrong. It makes things a hell of a lot easier on all of us.

Come on, we're all adults here. We should all be acting like it.

[TommyO 5]

OK Leatha you can be the queen of this thread, I'm wrong your right, wah, wah, wah, etc. etc. etc.

Gets a little bit predictable along with incredibly childish. Maybe you should pass someone a note in gym class.

[gailannr 1]

OK Leatha you can be the queen of this thread, I'm wrong your right, wah, wah, wah, etc. etc. etc.

Gets a little bit predictable along with incredibly childish. Maybe you should pass someone a note in gym class.

Let's take a survery. How many of us think Tommy is really the one acting rather childish?

[L8BloomR 1]

...another unexplained conspiracy is, that someone qualified enough scholastically to survive Yale graduate school -with a higher grade average than Mr. Kerry- qualified as a fighter pilot, able to muster a political team resilient enough to win Texas Governorship, the Presidency and stomp the stuffings out of 40 years of democratic good-old-boy Washington shenanigans....continues to have such criticism hosed upon him daily...

I understand the visceral hatred some have for him, his accent, his personality, his smirk, the way he walks, any action he either does or doesn't do....and that political choices he makes generates an ongoing and deep criticism by his detractors.

So what.

If Clinton and Gore hadn't done such a piss poor job in their time in office Bush wouldn't be where he is.

So who is the best choice for the job next time?

That the concept of 'science' and 'professional treatment' we are all following in our Bandster instructions, which has such a wide diversity of theories, approaches, explanations as well as results, suggests to me that matters of even less solid grounding in the rational realm, is bound to have even more diverse opinions, theories, and goals.

Our form of government is filled with countless examples of second and third guessing about how to resolve issues of national concern....all of which makes some folks happier and some less so....

The current conflict transcends whether we like or don't like Bush.

Great post, Jack....and not one insult in the entire thing!! :clap2:

[anonemouse 1]

I guess I'm totally confused. My posting items against Bill Clinton are passive-aggressive and crap. Rightfully shot down by snopes.com?

So tell me, since I'm always wrong in my postings, where do YOU go to get all the RIGHT information? I'm seriously asking. I just don't understand how what I read is so much inferior to what you read. Because it doesn't agree with your thinking, does not necessarily make it wrong. Does it?

No, Leatha. Your complaining about being contradicted and proved wrong and basically saying that "others can do it, so why can't I" is passive-aggressive.

To get the "right" information, I generally go to reputable sources. I try not to rely on hackish conspiracy theories to try and place suspicion on someone. I try to research the authors and see who the sources are. And when it's something that even the researchers at Snopes.com can find fault with, I know it's probably not the best stuff to use in a debate.

[tanderson 3]

In regards to Jack's post...what in the HELL are you referring to? The situation that Bush is in now has no correlation whatsoever with the Clinton/Gore administration. In fact, during that administration the national budget was BALANCED and for the FIRST time in history, this country saw a surplus!! Where are we now? But I guess you can't see that this country is in the worse shape ever looking through those rose colored glasses. Case in point, Bush WAS NOT elected, but APPOINTED president by the Supreme Court of the United States and he can investigate pertinent issues and events only as deep as the oil industry's pockets will allow him.

Peace Out

T~:hippie:

[L8BloomR 1]

Hey, has anyone experienced what I just did..... I got an email telling me that "Tanderson" has responded to my post on this thread, and letting me read what was posted, but when I went onto LBT to respond, the post isn't here. I have refreshed my browser a bunch of times. Tanderson, did you remove your post or is there something wrong with either my computer or this thread? Help?

[L8BloomR 1]

and the "Pollyanna" one wasn't the post I got on my email....

[L8BloomR 1]

In regards to Jack's post...what in the HELL are you referring to? The situation that Bush is in now has no correlation whatsoever with the Clinton/Gore administration. In fact, during that administration the national budget was BALANCED and for the FIRST time in history, this country saw a surplus!! Where are we now? But I guess you can't see that this country is in the worse shape ever looking through those rose colored glasses. Case in point, Bush WAS NOT elected, but APPOINTED president by the Supreme Court of the United States and he can investigate pertinent issues and events only as deep as the oil industry's pockets will allow him.

Peace Out

T~:hippie:

Gosh, "peace out" appears to only apply to you and others you agree with? What is with the "Pollyanna" comment.... did I insult you? I agree with Jack on the fact that we see things a certain way based on our different perspectives. I can see that you are one of the people that can't get over the 2000 election, no matter how many recounts there were that showed that Bush won. Even if you can't accept THAT, then how do you account for the election 4 years later which he won by a larger margin than Clinton? OK, now that we established that you can't accept anything good about Bush, fine. But please at least accept that what you say about Bush's ability to "investigate pertinent issues" is your opinion....not mine and certainly not everyone else's. Say what you want, but allow others to state their opinions without being ridiculed, please.