Has Anyonen Ever Failed With The Sleeve?

[You would think so... 11]

Actually 12 step programs did originate from the bible. They're based on the Beatitudes. However, most 12 step programs have attempted to distance themselves from organized religion. Unless of course you're talking about Celebrate Recovery, which is a Christian based recovery program that follows the original 12 step program format.

Some of the principles of 12 step programs came from the bible - not all, and no specific part. Some of the principles can also be found in other religious texts, some are found in philosohy, and there is also a belief in medicine. Read the Big Book of AA - where the 12 step, traditions and concepts originated, and which have informed all other 12 step groups. It specifically states that a belief in "God" is not necessary, only a belief in a "higher power". AA, Al-Anon, etc. have never required a belief in organized religion.

My goal is not to have an argument about how 12 step groups were organized, it was to help someone who expressed a concern over organized religion hopefully feel more comfortable checking them out.

[Sleeved&Hopeful 182]

I have seen a few people post about significant regains on the Obesityhelp Revision Forum. I have also seen some posted on an Aussie sleeve forum where they have been doing vertical sleeves longer than in the U.S. A few of the ladies had significant regains after pregnancies which we all know could happen because pregnancy can obviously make people gain weight (although I know one lady who is about to have her 2nd post op baby and has remained slim throughout!!). Some of the people had simply not lost enough weight to get out of the obese or morbidly obese BMI range. And yes, some people had gone back to eating crap and gained weight back. Unfortunately it can happen with any surgery if you revert back to snacking on high carb foods especially like Cookies or ice cream on a very regular basis. A couple of people experienced regains after going on a medication for an illness that causes weight gain. A few of them had been sleeved back when the stomachs were made quite a bit bigger than they are now and didn't remove all of the fundus like most surgeons do now. We always have to remain forever vigilant and learn the good habits after surgery. Not eating and drinking at the same time---protein first--things like that are big rules for a reason. Good luck everybody!

[Chills562 12]

Wow, great input everyone, thanks for your help! I have a surgery date October 9th! I am very excited, scared about failing at drinking and eating, I haven't mastered that yet. It sounds like this could be the answer for me. I know I must adopt better eating habits, better food choices. I can do this. I,ll be a frequent visitor here....

[NCsleever63 53]

Hey chills, you and me both, it really is about wrestling your food addiction demons and keeping them down. I know I eat less but I need help dealing with my emotional eating. food was a comfort for me for so long. I definitely think OA or/and therapy is neccesary if your like me and have a food addiction that had nothing to do with hunger. I ate for so many reasons

There is also a book called "how to overcome emotional eating" by Joy Bauer. Its a really easy read and she speaks from experience. I found it very eye opening.

[susanfaye 162]

Wow' date=' great input everyone, thanks for your help! I have a surgery date October 9th! I am very excited, scared about failing at drinking and eating, I haven't mastered that yet. It sounds like this could be the answer for me. I know I must adopt better eating habits, better food choices. I can do this. I,ll be a frequent visitor here....[/quote']

I have a hard time with the not drinking while eating thing too. But after surgery I really can't do it. If I try I feel like I'm going to throw up. So don't worry about that as your body pretty much takes care of that on its own. Atleast mine has. Good luck to you!

[DanaInNewOrleans 513]

While doing my research trying to decide if WLS was right for me, I read that the success rate for Bypass and Sleeve was about the same -- 85%. The Sleeve has the benefit of less complications. I'll have to research what exactly "success" means in relation to the study. Is "success" losing 50% of excess body weight or 75% of excess body weight ( or whatever percent). I'm sure I read the statistics but I'll have to go back and look it up.

For me personally, I would say GS will be successful if I can get out of the morbidly obese range and get to the overweight range. Heck, at this point I'd be happy to get to the low end of obese! Anything is better than nothing at this point.

[Spatters3 315]

Dana, I didn't actually think the VSG would work for me either. Atkins had stopped working after 30 lbs. I really couldn't lose weight at all. But by golly, it IS working. My weight loss has really been put on the back burner since I'm undergoing treatment for uterine cancer, but it IS still working :-)

[suzilouise 13]

I have a hard time with the not drinking while eating thing too. But after surgery I really can't do it. If I try I feel like I'm going to throw up. So don't worry about that as your body pretty much takes care of that on its own. Atleast mine has. Good luck to you!

I am the same. I always drank and ate at the same time prior to surgery, but I just can't do it now. I have to wait at least 30 mins and sometimes up to an hour

If I eat out I will ask for a glass of tap Water as people think its very odd not to order a drink with a meal and then I will leave it untouched.

[LouiseC 1,031]

Alright. Thanks. Good to know. I am not familar with 12 step programs. I also do not participate in organized religion. So perhaps OA would not be a good option for me.

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If you are a happy atheist like me, then you will likely find 12 step based programmes frustrating. I have no doubt that they work for hundreds of thousands of people who believe they are addicted to something. I don't knock what gets others through their life in one piece. However I also know that for those of us who do not believe in something external to us having control (god, universe, higher power) that these programmes have little impact.

I consider I am the creator of my own destiny. I consider I have the power to chose, actively and consciously, how I react and respond to my life. I consider I have the control. It means that I do not believe in addiction because addiction by its very definition gives control to something external to the self. And that clashes with my fundamental value system. So I beat my drug and cigarette habits by taking control, not surrendering it, and i am doing the same with food I hope this makes sense. I know my view is very much in the minority but it works for my life.