Is. Dr. Aceves really THAT great?

[GlitteringGoldParodox 36]

What do you expect GGP? You are negative commenting on a surgeon in which you have no experience. And you are making accusations against other members who are only defending their choice' date=' which by the way nobody should have to do. #getalife[/quote']

What negative comments were stated? Was it my common sense statement about dismissing others for choosing a lower cost MX surgeon when ppl also say the same thing in good USA about ANYONE going to MX for surgery because its cheaper? That would be a hypocrisy. Or maybe it was my compliment to the other poster that did extensive research vetting these MX surgeons? Reminding me what I learn in college and should utilize myself. What was so rude and offensive about that. Please do tell? Obviously you got issues with truthful statement. I got a great life. Get yourself a new life. This one obsessed with my comments is creepy.

[GlitteringGoldParodox 36]

Honestly' date=' the comment you are referring to was basically unintelligible. I wasn't sure who she was directing it to or what it was about. Maybe I should have been offended?! Haha![/quote']

Maybe you need to get an education and learn basic English. It's simple: subject- verb- object/ adverb. Get a new life too. This one must be pathetic to focus on me.

[onceagain2 20]

iegal....Did you find anybody that suffered complications from Dr Q?

Please enlighten me on this statement.

'OrgeonDaisy - you and I have been on this board too long together and we both have seen a edthread that has been removed about complications from him.'

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Hi,

Thank you so very much for posting this. Sometimes people get a little carried away. I refuse to keep things going.

Take care, nice to see you posting and watching these things!

Suzanne

[Suzannesh 376]

iegal....Did you find anybody that suffered complications from Dr Q?

Please enlighten me on this statement.

'OrgeonDaisy - you and I have been on this board too long together and we both have seen a edthread that has been removed about complications from him.'

Hi,

Like you and Oregon Daisy, I have been around on these boards since 2008. So I try to post as much as I can support and help people. Not everyone does that and they take things in such a wrong way and just don't want to let go of it. Thanks for your remarks, I have enjoyed them

Hugs and take care,

Suzanne

[Oregondaisy 2,021]

I have been around these boards for a long time. that is very true. 6 years this December, since I started on lap band talk.

I have never seen a negative post about Dr. Aceves. I am not just saying that because he was my surgeon. I've just never seen one. I've seen them from other surgeons, but never Dr. Aceves. I've never seen anyone post that they had any complications from their surgery with him, or had a negative experience there at

Almater Hospital.

[onceagain2 20]

Hi Orgeondaisy.........have enjoyed reading your posts.

Interesting thread......... the OP is long gone .........but it works for me

Its very important to Vet our Surgeons...........after that it becomes a leap of faith for both my Doc and I. Would expect Dr Aceves to have encountered complications........and sadly even to have lost

a patient.

I listened to you guys............

Banded 2001, Dr Kuri, TJ.........Band Removed 2005.............Revision to a Sleeve Nov 7,2012 Dr Aceves.

SEND MONEY!!!

[iegal 460]

We are all on here to support and help people pre and post op VSG. I do not believe that lying to someone or providing inaccurate statements "helps" them pick a surgeon. Stop posting opinions thinly disguised as fact. Any future posts about Aceves credentials need to have links to back up statements, otherwise consider them advertisements.

I ask you all to reread my original complaint before posting a reply. My post here is not about my surgeon vs. Dr Aceves. Dr. Aceves is obviously a good surgeon, but he is not infallible, nor is he what Suzanne claims in her original posts in this thread since she is unable to provide support other than was Aceves website states. A lot of bravado and air fluff with no substance. These are lies unless supported with facts beyond surgeons website claims. No where do I attack Dr. Aceves for those of you who have chosen him as your surgeon. We are all winners (or losers) which is wonderful for each of us.

Who contacted the lovely admin Diva? Me. I contacted Diva to read this thread knowing Dr. Aceves is her surgeon. She read my posts and did not find any fault with them.

Really getting tired of same poster promoting her surgeon implying inaccurate statements. Search 2nd above poster threads...she dropped off of site for almost 2 years then came back posting with what seemed to be "ads" for her surgeon. Another VST member, in another thread, even questioned her motives asking if she was getting a finders fee for those seeking surgery with Aceves. I question everything, I research everything and kept coming up blank with this single posters statements being nothing beyond her option yet portrayed as fact.

As a response...yes, my surgeon...who is not a god, although is a true pioneer of many WLS fundamentals as supported by outside sources beyond his personal website...has had complications. Dr Q will tell you of each one for they are personal to him. Dr Q, with 14 years of WLS experience and three world first WLS procedures being done by Dr. Quebbemann (as documented in previous postings), Dr Q is bound to have had a few issues. That is why they call it "practicing" medicine. All surgeons who have been doing this for a while all experience complications, even Dr. Aceves.

Thank you "once again" for acknowledging that ever Aceves is not a god...somehow believing a man with Aceves experience has never having a leak. What a crock for those of you who believe this. Sorry you believe this tale.

Again, RUN if a surgeon tells you they haven't had complications. Surgeon is either lying or does not have a lot of VSG experience. Sorry OD that you have failed to read Aceves complication posts, which was even commented on by Tiffykins about negative Aceves thread experiences being removed.

Begging you...back up your statements or call them for what they are...your opinion. Once you stop lying or misleading fellow VST members, then I will graciously disappear. But as a defender of those who have not yet had surgery...all must be made aware that your proclamations are not truth but your opinion. All I ask is for you to back up your statements or just tell everyone this is your opinion...as listed in VST forum rules listed by Admin.

Yes, many have a good experience with Aceves...I have no doubt of this. But DO NOT make false claims.

Please abide by the rules as learn the difference between truth and opinion.

[Oregondaisy 2,021]

Dr. Aceves is a Fellow of the American College of Surgeons. (FACS.org) This means that the American College of Surgeons has done an extensive background check on the doctor. He has to exceed the same standards as a US surgeon. His background is completely verified, his licensing, credentials, certifications, absolutely everything. If he does not maintain his reputation and current standards he cannot maintain his affiliation with the FACS. FACS is a really impressive issue in the world of medicine. Not all US doctors can maintain the background and honesty necessary to be a Fellow of the ACS. But Dr. Aceves can. There is a doctor in MX that claims to have almost 600 VSG procedures completed. He claims to have been doing this procedure for 3.5 years. Yet according to his CV he was just trained in the procedure 2.5 years ago. We know full well he has not done as many VSG procedures as he claims but unless you know what to look for you won't know that his statistics are impossible. This is why going to an FACS surgeon is critical whether you are going to a US or MX surgeon. Surgeons from all over the world (including the US) inflate their stats so they appear more experienced than they are. If they told the truth about their inexperience they wouldn't get any business. So, they are less than honest.

Dr. Aceves is the Vice President of the Mexican version of the American Bariatric Assn. This is a position that is voted, so the doctors of MX voted him into this position. They recently voted again and he will be President this year.

There is another organization called the International Federation of Surgical Obesity. (IFSO.com) This is an organization where weight loss surgeons all over the world belong. A few years ago Dr. Aceves holds the position of Secretary for this organization so this means that even the US doctors voted him into this office.

Dr. Aceves is a proctor surgeon meaning he trains other doctors in various bariatric procedures. He typically travels to one country a month and either attends lectures to further his own knowledge on the new advances in medicine or he trains other doctors in various surgical procedures. He recently returned from Chile and Argentina training their doctors in the Vertical Sleeve Gastrectomy. He trains US surgeons in the various procedures as well. Mexico has been doing the sleeve longer than US doctors and there are simply very few doctors willing to train other US doctors because then they would have competition. Dr. Aceves believes competition in this procedure is good as patients have more surgeons to choose from.

Dr. Aceves has done over 2200 Lap Bands, over 1000 Gastric Sleeves, and over 1000 Gastric Bypass procedures. This means he has over 900 staple lines, a technique that is critical in a safe surgery for a VSG procedure. When researching surgeons you want someone that has done at least 250 VSG and at least 250 Gastric Bypass procedures. The reason is that the Gastric Bypass procedure has a very difficult staple line. It is an interrupted staple line and quite difficult to do. If a surgeon can do the more difficult Gastric Bypass staple line, he can do the easier VSG staple line. (This was sent to me over 3 years ago, so I am sure he has done way more sleeves by now)

Leaks are a potential problem with this procedure but he has a technique where he over sews the staple line and we believe this one of the many reasons he has never had a leak with a VSG.

I think one big issue here to remember is that just because someone is practicing in the US, that does not make them a good or skilled surgeon. Just because someone is in MX does not mean they are not a skilled surgeon or a person without ethics. I had a choice to go to any surgeon I wanted for my own sleeve and the only doctor I wanted to go to was Dr. Aceves. He is the surgeon with the most skill, the best stats, the best reputation, and the safest location. I include US doctors in that assessment as well when it comes to the sleeve procedure. I am a nurse, I've been in his OR many times during surgery and after watching him operate I was quite certain he is the only surgeon I wanted operating on me.

Another upside to going to Dr. Aceves. In the US if you have the VSG you will likely spend one night in the hospital. Dr. Aceves does not agree with this. He keeps you in a fully equipped hospital for three nights following surgery. He believes you need to be medically supervised, have a total of three leak tests to be 100% certain you have no leak upon returning home, and he wants someone monitoring your vital signs, drain tube, and he wants someone available to manage your pain should you have any. He does not believe in sending you home before three nights/four days.

Keep in mind, we completely and totally depend on reputation for business. We have no insurance companies referring patients, we have to do it by reputation. Dr. Aceves has been operating on US citizens for many years. He wouldn't have the reputation he does if he didn't do the best possible job for each patient. He has a great rep because we all do the job the right way. He has another belief, he only hires educated people around him. I am his patient coordinator and I am an RN. Most in this position (US or MX) are merely patients that have had surgery, they do not necessarily have any medical training. His Office Manager (my boss) is an engineer by trade. Her Office Assistant is a Law student. His OR techs (OR techs are used in the US and typically have 9 months of training) are actually 4 year RNs.

His hospital coordinator is a retired teacher that previously taught English in the MX school system. His Aftercare Specialist is a PhD. She is a licensed psychologist in MX and available to all Dr. Aceves patients by phone or email.

This was sent to me by Dr. Aceves' office when I had my surgery. I don't think they are telling lies about his experience and certifications.

[blondie1007 51]

I have said all I have to say. I absolutely refuse to keep this going. Good luck to everyone.

[JenC 90]

I agree with all the positive comments about Dr. Aceves and Dr. Campos. I have never looked back wishing I had the extra dollars I spent on my surgery at Almater Hospital with Dr. Aceves. I addition to having zero surgery complications and outstanding care during my hospitalization I have had excellent and immediate response to any questions I have had post surgery regarding diet, weight loss, exercise and Vitamins.< /p>

I have recently experienced gallstones and have consulted with him and his team regarding my current treatment and surgery here at home. The doctors have been very quick and helpful with information.

[katstallyho 2]

I used Obesity Control Center with dr. ariel. he had been in Newsweek and I really really liked him and his staff. He was wonderful and I had no issues at all. He is in Tj.

[mggonzal 54]

I was sleeved 13 days ago by Dr Aceves, the next day after surgery i felt fine, it seems I had no surgery, Dr A and his tedm are great, also de hospital is one of the best hospital in the city ( my family and me used to go to that hospital). Today I feel really good.... No pain, only few nausea when I tookmy vitamins.... I recommend 100% dr Aceves, he worth it.

[iegal 460]

Hi OD;

Just because Aceves practices is Mexico does not make him somehow sub-par. Nowhere in this thread have I said or implied Aceves is sub par due to practicing medicine in Mexico. Next, I live in Southern California where a large portion (LA county is just about 50% Hispanic) of the population is of Mexician heritage, so without you knowing me or my nationality, you somehow imply I am racist and rallying against Aceves due to his nationality. Never.

Nothing negative is said about Aceves. I only beg for substantiated facts. Also I do state I am comfortable with the fact he should be a decent surgeon since so many use him. But so incredibily tired of posts about Aceves that can not be backed up with outside resources. That is all I have asked of those of you advertising for your surgeon. Happy many have had great experiences with Aceves. Just don't lead others to believe statements of his grandeur which can not be verified. OD, your previous post above is null since you can't verify any of your statements about Aceves. To newbies considering surgery: This is your one body, don't believe those whom seem to be promoting their surgeon without citing links to their "facts."

OD, as a nurse, you should be able to provide cited medical studies, mfg links (such as J&J as Suzanne claims is featuring Aceves) or medical journal articles supporting your previous post rather than providing blind information once again. I was able to site multiple outside sources to prove my surgeons INCREDIBLE bariatric pioneer status, in many different forms, where as you & Suzanne or others have posted....let me count...zero links

Start off your post with...In my opinion or Aceves says he ...... Next, I went to IFSO website to verify & you're are wrong, Aceves is not the current secretary, so I think you are mixing up your tenses...he might have been secretary, yet this can not be verified on IFSO website either. Once again we are left without any facts. Next, if you had said Aceves was a member of ASMBS that would be great but Aceves name does not show with a simple search of the American Society of Metabolic & Bariatric Surgeons. You mentioning Aceves is a a member of the FACS. Did you look to see the purpose of this group? Obviously not because looking at this group is only a general surgical association for many different type of surgeons (no emphasis on bariatric surgery) and joining this group does not enhance Aceves bariatric reputation.

IMO those of you posting / promoting your surgeon "credentials" without providing independent back up or outside sources to these claims of "enhanced status" is nothing more than a wolf preying on sheep.

Best wishes to each VST member in their own journey of WL. Together we are stronger, even if we don't agree on what constitutes fact vs. opinion. As RR once said, Trust, but verify.