DUMPING Syndrome...it's not just for bypass patients

[AJW 18]

Hi All,

I've been having an issue in the last month with what I suspect is dumping syndrome. I had VSG in August 2009, so I've lost all the weight and am below goal. That part is fine. I suspect this dumping issue started as the result of eating too much sugar after dinner. Last night and the night before, I ate what we call an Artisan cheese plate. It's little tiny bits of different cheese (like an inch by an inch sizes) with a little fig jam and honeycomb (like a one inch sq. size of comb) with some Water crackers. Not a lot of food at all, but man within an hour of eating I was getting not only the sugar rush, but rapid heart palpitations, adrenaline rush, sweating and shaky. At first I thought hypoglycemia, but that wasn't it, just same symptoms. When it happened a second time (yeah, after eating the same thing - I know, I know) I figured out it was dumping syndrome, or food moving too fast into the small intestines. I do NOT want a repeat performance. Now, in the past year I've certainly eaten dessert, sometimes frozen yogurt, if at dinner somewhere out, shared a dessert, and nothing happened. I've had this dumping scenario occur about 4X in the last month. It started with eating some soft butter brickle after dinner one night, but it was more like a feeling of just feeling awful, with no specific symptoms. Then it happened when I ate some Halloween candy (too many Butterfingers), but I figured it was just a sugar rush. But after eating the honey, I got the full on dump. Here's the weird thing: I ate this same Artisan Cheese plate at a restaurant at lunch time and had NO ISSUES, just at night does it come up. How do I AVOID having this issue in the future? And is it just a too much sugar problem? Please, hope someone has been through this door before and can help me with this. Thanks!

[AutumnLily 77]

Almost sounds like a tolerance issue. That you can have a certain amount before it comes on. And that specific foods will react more than others. I would suggest staying away from the food that gives you the issue right off. If it happens at a specific time I would just avoid having said product at that time. Other than that if you really would like something sweet only have it once in awhile your not giving it up just limiting it.

That is all I can suggest for now. Just track and see what works and what doesnt.

Lily

[Tiffykins 673]

Sounds exactly what happened with me when I was having gallbladder attacks. If it was truly dumping, I think you would experienced long before now, and lean more toward you have developed an intolerance to certain high fat high sugar foods.

[Bornagainbabe 4]

I get it and have had it since I was sleeved July 2009. I was banded before that and had never experienced it before. It usually happens when I have overindulged in high fat or sugar - not every time, sometimes I am ok, but at other times it takes me by surprise and I can be very ill just by having a couple of chocolates. I feel rotten. I get palpitations, get hot, shake and end up being sick. It happened the other night after I had a couple of chocolates. I am convinced it is Dumping Syndrome as I have never experienced this before. When I was first sleeved I got it a lot. Now it just hits me every now and then. Caffeine can also have a similar effect if it is very strong.

[Oregondaisy 2,021]

I get it too. It's usually from food that is both high sugar and high fat. sometimes I am fine with that same food , other times it makes me really

sick. I called Dr. Campos and he said it was dumping. It's from foods not being in the tiny stomach long enough and too much fat or sugar

gets into the blood stream quickly. It's no fun.

[AJW 18]

Thanks you guys for responding. I was over at OH reading the bypass patients' accounts. Then someone suggested reactive hyperglycemia and after reading what that's about, it scared the snot out of me, talk of seizures, etc. OMG, how do those folks survive that stuff?! Scary, very scary. I had to keep reminding myself that I HAVE a stomach, just a much smaller one. I never reacted to sugars before. I don't eat high fat foods. This whole thing took a new turn when I had the honeycomb and yes, little pieces of cheese. Tonight I had a low fat "taco soup" which is mainly Proteins (recipe from WW old time), and was OK after dinner. Of course I was watching my watch and timing things to SEE IF anything would happen. I got myself so worked up by "sensing" heart rate, etc., that I had to go take a Xanax to come down from the ceiling where I was putting myself. No dumping occurred, but the anxiety about whether it would occur is enough to set off an adrenaline rush all on its own. I don't want to be having these problems whatsoever. I stick pretty much with the Medifast diet plan and eat their healthy Snacks, etc. I get that the combination of the cheese and honey was not a winner. I just want to KNOW that I'll be OK, no seizures or anything of that nature in the future. Thanks for talking me through this; I PRAY that I am over it.

[Tiffykins 673]

Thanks you guys for responding. I was over at OH reading the bypass patients' accounts. Then someone suggested reactive hyperglycemia and after reading what that's about, it scared the snot out of me, talk of seizures, etc. OMG, how do those folks survive that stuff?! Scary, very scary. I had to keep reminding myself that I HAVE a stomach, just a much smaller one. I never reacted to sugars before. I don't eat high fat foods. This whole thing took a new turn when I had the honeycomb and yes, little pieces of cheese. Tonight I had a low fat "taco soup" which is mainly Proteins (recipe from WW old time), and was OK after dinner. Of course I was watching my watch and timing things to SEE IF anything would happen. I got myself so worked up by "sensing" heart rate, etc., that I had to go take a Xanax to come down from the ceiling where I was putting myself. No dumping occurred, but the anxiety about whether it would occur is enough to set off an adrenaline rush all on its own. I don't want to be having these problems whatsoever. I stick pretty much with the Medifast diet plan and eat their healthy Snacks, etc. I get that the combination of the cheese and honey was not a winner. I just want to KNOW that I'll be OK, no seizures or anything of that nature in the future. Thanks for talking me through this; I PRAY that I am over it.

Yeah, those stories of real hardcore dumping scared the heeejeebies outta me. . .

The whole transit time issue can cause this type of dumping with the sleeve from what I've read up on it. It seems to be sporadic with the transit time, and I don't know if it's something that will ever resolve for people that experience it.

The only thing close to it that I have experienced is I need to sleep if I eat a bunch of ice cream, or say 1/2 slice of red velvet cake with butter cream cheese icing.

[Bornagainbabe 4]

I had it recently at my in-laws' Golden Wedding and I hadn't particularly eaten a lot but I had been nibbling on buffet food and cheese. I was fine and then I had a piece of cake with a cup of tea and it hit me after that. We had already left and were in the car when I started to retch and my husband had to turn back so I could rush back upstairs to be sick! It's not the same as the sickness you get from overeating as it's just liquid that usually comes out. I don't get it at all when I totally avoid fats and sugars but it can catch me out even when I think I have only had a tiny bit. Sometimes I can go out and have coffee and cake no problem, other times I am rough after a couple of chocolates.

[AJW 18]

How awful for you, embarrassing, etc. I don't want to be nervous around people thinking oh crap, be very careful of what you eat. Until this episode occurred I was able to eat pretty much everything. We were in Idaho at a resort that gave out the Brutels butter brickle. OMG, I don't even like sweets that much, but the BB was to die for. They give you a big square as your nightly dessert from the hotel. They leave in your room. I ate that and it was soooo good with no bad reactions, that when I got home I ordered some online. I was fine the first few times I ate it. Then I ate too much and just felt really crappy. Then when it was gone, I did not reorder as it was a one time indulgence.

Then Halloween came, and you know how it is, after dinner you're hunting around for something with a sweet taste, just a bite. We bought bags of little wrapped baby bars of Snickers, Butterfingers, etc. I ate about 6 Butterfingers and again, felt crappy, and had to go to bed. I threw out left over Halloween candy. Then the cheese and honeycomb, definitely not a combination I can eat, although I did eat it at a restaurant with a glass of white wine, and then went onto taste wine all day and had no problems. When I tried the same food at home, did not work 2X in a row. So now being duly scared sh*tless, I'm very leery of any sugars at all. Hope this event becomes history quickly so I can relax and not stress over it. I'm stressed enough as it is with DH being out of work, and contemplating a move out of state as soon as our house sells. Gads, don't need extra stress over what to eat/not eat. Thanks for listening to my tale of woe.

I had it recently at my in-laws' Golden Wedding and I hadn't particularly eaten a lot but I had been nibbling on buffet food and cheese. I was fine and then I had a piece of cake with a cup of tea and it hit me after that. We had already left and were in the car when I started to retch and my husband had to turn back so I could rush back upstairs to be sick! It's not the same as the sickness you get from overeating as it's just liquid that usually comes out. I don't get it at all when I totally avoid fats and sugars but it can catch me out even when I think I have only had a tiny bit. Sometimes I can go out and have coffee and cake no problem, other times I am rough after a couple of chocolates.

[2Fluffy 0]

I've got it right now, because I did a bad thing. I took out the carton of vanilla ice cream and a spoon, thinking I'd just have two bites and put it away. Well, I didn't put it away. I ate probably a pint and now I feel really crummy. Light headed, clammy, nauseous, rapid heartrate, and full. Won't be doing that again. Lesson learned!

[hope@50plus 0]

I was told by my doctors that when you get a vsg there is no dumping syndrome">

Hi All,

I've been having an issue in the last month with what I suspect is dumping syndrome. I had VSG in August 2009, so I've lost all the weight and am below goal. That part is fine. I suspect this dumping issue started as the result of eating too much sugar after dinner. Last night and the night before, I ate what we call an Artisan cheese plate. It's little tiny bits of different cheese (like an inch by an inch sizes) with a little fig jam and honeycomb (like a one inch sq. size of comb) with some Water crackers. Not a lot of food at all, but man within an hour of eating I was getting not only the sugar rush, but rapid heart palpitations, adrenaline rush, sweating and shaky. At first I thought hypoglycemia, but that wasn't it, just same symptoms. When it happened a second time (yeah, after eating the same thing - I know, I know) I figured out it was dumping syndrome, or food moving too fast into the small intestines. I do NOT want a repeat performance. Now, in the past year I've certainly eaten dessert, sometimes frozen yogurt, if at dinner somewhere out, shared a dessert, and nothing happened. I've had this dumping scenario occur about 4X in the last month. It started with eating some soft butter brickle after dinner one night, but it was more like a feeling of just feeling awful, with no specific symptoms. Then it happened when I ate some Halloween candy (too many Butterfingers), but I figured it was just a sugar rush. But after eating the honey, I got the full on dump. Here's the weird thing: I ate this same Artisan Cheese plate at a restaurant at lunch time and had NO ISSUES, just at night does it come up. How do I AVOID having this issue in the future? And is it just a too much sugar problem? Please, hope someone has been through this door before and can help me with this. Thanks!

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[Globetrotter 1,340]

This happened to me after eating (too quickly I suspect) some plain cheeseburger patty. And by some, I mean 2 small bites well chewed. When the feeling came on I was laying down; it started with sudden saliva production and that tingle in the jaws that means uh oh! I dry heaved and spat copious amounts of saliva for the next 20 minutes. That was 3 months ago and I still don't want to eat another hamburger patty!

[Oregondaisy 2,021]

Sometimes there is no rhyme or reason to when it will happen. I can have it happen with a certain food, and then eat it next time and it's fine. It kind of comes and goes.

I will say, now that I am past 18 months, it's pretty rare. I would have to eat a big piece of cake with frosting, something like that, for it to happen. For me, it happens with something that is both high in sugar and high in fat.

It will get better.It has at least for me. Ice cream is another story. I can eat a little ice cream , but if I were to eat more than one little scoop, it will happen.

[Jolanda 23]

I've had it too, recently twice (trip abroad, restaurant Desserts...) Once I ate a really rich, semi-cooked chocolate cake for dessert (a big piece, too) after eating duck and mashed potatoes. Then a couple of days later I got it again after eating a lot of sweet cake at a birthday party. Nausea, sometimes sweating, not throwing up but certainly feeling like it would be a good idea...

I have to say, I love it. I hate hate hate it while it's on but I love the fact that it tells me in no uncertain terms not to eat a lot of junk. I never have problems when eating dark chocolate, for instance, nor a small piece of something sweet.

[BobBayCityMI 111]

I have never had dumping syndrome. Now crapping little baby arms? Yup. My problem is the opposite. So for me, it has been increased Water and flaxseed. Not sure which is worse...