Yes You Can Drink And Eat At The Same Meal Time

[KristyT 16]

I still contend that via your published writing that informing people it's alright to modify the rules they live by with their band without first consulting with their physician is NOT sound judgement. If you are in a medical or allied profession there are considerations about publishing information which, in my professional opinion, goes beyond the scope of the author's professional practice. I also wrote that if she has the research, she should have cited the research studies if she wanted to publish what she did. That was my message; as you seem to have missed it.

I think people should take the time to read things and interrupt them for what they are stating not for what they think they are stating...to quote you...

I am all about self determination and being one's own best advocate...and I do read posts and have an opinion about them, as you do. I tend to want to "interpret" what I read, while according to your writing you seem to "interrupt" it instead.

We all are going to have an opinion, and I, just as you are entitled to have an opinion. All participants on this forum have the same rights. The First Amendment...no argument intended, but a discussion. There was no scientific data cited or published with the article. I have been trained to accept nothing at face value scientifically unless and until I can read the journal it came from, and read the actual research data. Is there something the matter with that? You seem to believe there is...another difference of opinion...

If you took the time to review my post content (not just this thread) you would read many posts which are both supportive and informative, which is the essence of a supportive community and wanting to help others as others have helped me.

I hope that you are more calm now if you read this; and you did the correct thing to write about your feelings. That's very therapeutic, and it also helps with the accuracy of communication.

Your mileage may vary...and best of luck to you!

sounds to me like you just like to argue, good luck to you

[Sojourner 2,446]

sounds to me like you just like to argue, good luck to you

No, only sharing my opinion, just like you...and they are not the same opinion. So?

If you could "hear" my message, then you were not reading it!

Really, enough already. The "horse" is dead...

[Jachut 487]

Interesting - do you also ask your doctor to prove everything he says with studies and statistics? Becuse as we know from this forum, different doctors say different things.

For what its worth, I attend The Centre for Bariatric Surgery with which Helen is afiliated although Ive never consulted with her. The practice is headed by Prof. paul O'Brien, who is a band pieoneer. And the advice I have received there from the various doctors I have seen AND my surgeon mirrors exactly what Helen is saying. Its advice which has changed over my seven banded years as new discoveries have been made.

Doesnt necessarily make it tue, just the best understanding we have right now and you are well within your personl and professional judgement to doubt it. But its not baseless information just being made up for the purposes of an internet forum. Its genuine advice being given out from a well respected leading practice which deals only with lapbands - not sleeves, not bypasses, just lapbands.

like anytjing, you take it ll on bord, tweak a bit here, tweak a bit there and make t work for you.

[Jachut 487]

Lol at piEoneer, freudian slip?

[Bamabander 111]

Just had my surgery 2 days ago and was told not to eat and drink at the same time, not due to any danger but due to keeping a more restrictive full feeling. My dr said that drinking while eating will increase the amount of food you can take in, therefore "cheating" the band and making it a less effective tool. He did mention that all the newest research is similar to OP.

[KristyT 16]

No, only sharing my opinion, just like you...and they are not the same opinion. So?

If you could "hear" my message, then you were not reading it!

Really, enough already. The "horse" is dead...

ok mrs highness

you are correct the horse is dead and it has been dead but I feel the need to clarify something. for starters, I know how to spell interpret, my daughter was interuppting me when I typed the first message and I was trying to say to you to begin without being just down right blunt is that your posts seems very rude, insulting and down right nasty. did you even read your post, you were making suggestions and accusations that just were not true. and yes, I am probably just as bad for responding to you in this way but your tone in your post was insulting to me as I am sure it was to others and most specifically helen. all i was trying to say is that you are correct in posting your own opinion but maybe you should read your post and attempt to not insult people when you convey them

and again your highness, i apologize in advance for any "typos" or mispelled words I may have typed not to your liking, I am a nurse and I type very fast and use alot of short hand. and as far as I can remember this is a forum post for lapband not english 101. as to clarify your first message please feel free to read below.

oh and BTW it still "sounds to me like you like to argue" wink wink

That's quite a leap and reckless to write about this... inuslting I believe it is not advisable to challenge the instructions most every one of us have received from our individual doctors about NOT eating and drinking at the same time. she never challenged any physicians instructions, simply stated her opinion and her research

I would challenge your statements and say that it would take many more studies on this same topic to statistically validate the accuracy of the information you shared. Anyone who has a background in statistical evaluation knows that ALL studies are flawed in one aspect or another. ONE study which publishes their findings is not the "gold card determiner" of the accuracy of the rules as we know them to be. this statement is true, but again she is not stating that she is challenging any other reserach,, she simply states there is "new" research

Please validate your writings with citing additional sources and studies prior to telling ALL if us to change the rules. she never told anyone to change any rules ..BTW, when and from what university have you earned your MD degree????? insulting maybe just a little bit??????????????????

I will also continue to follow the instructions given to me by my surgeon; that is fabulous, she never told you to do otherwise he seems to be quite knowledgeable on the topic, again, insulting? implying that she is not knowledgable and most importantly, we get good results with weight loss if we adhere to those instructions

[Jean McMillan 2,973]

Helen's beliefs about drinking while eating are shared by Terry Simpson, MD, an American gastric band expert.

http://azlapband.com/blog/what-we-know-from-successful-band-patients/

If you read through his article, you'll find this statement:

Drinking and eating

Successful patients eat and drink at the same time. We use to think this wasn’t a good idea, and some patients from those days don’t eat and drink at the same time- and tell us it makes a difference.

[Jean McMillan 2,973]

Helen,

You may be able to avoid (or at least minimize) future brou-ha-has about your articles by including a disclaimer before or after the article text. Here in the litigious USA, even highly qualified medical experts find it necessary to use the language shown below when publishing material aimed at end-users, patients, or consumers:

The information contained herein is intended solely for the general information of the reader. It is not to be used for treatment purposes, but rather for discussion with the reader’s own physician. The information presented is not intended to diagnose health problems or to take the place of professional medical care. It is neither intended to dictate what constitutes reasonable, appropriate or best care for any given health issue, nor is it intended to be used as a substitute for the independent judgment of a physician for any given health issue.

[Sojourner 2,446]

Interesting - do you also ask your doctor to prove everything he says with studies and statistics? Becuse as we know from this forum, different doctors say different things.

For what its worth, I attend The Centre for Bariatric Surgery with which Helen is afiliated although Ive never consulted with her. The practice is headed by Prof. paul O'Brien, who is a band pieoneer. And the advice I have received there from the various doctors I have seen AND my surgeon mirrors exactly what Helen is saying. Its advice which has changed over my seven banded years as new discoveries have been made.

Doesnt necessarily make it tue, just the best understanding we have right now and you are well within your personl and professional judgement to doubt it. But its not baseless information just being made up for the purposes of an internet forum. Its genuine advice being given out from a well respected leading practice which deals only with lapbands - not sleeves, not bypasses, just lapbands.

like anytjing, you take it ll on bord, tweak a bit here, tweak a bit there and make t work for you.

You bring up some valid points which should also be considered in this thread...and though others have missed the point I was attempting to make, I feel it was necessary to include the research one is using to write an article for a magazine. I rely on information to make informed choices, and I prefer to think for myself.

If the article is addressing new approaches to diet and relies on research to make that determination, I would ask why did the doctor who rendered the decision not write the article instead of the dietitian, who did not cite any specific research.

And no, I do not expect my doctor to prove everything he tells me. What I will say is that prior to seeking treatment from any physician who is new to me, I do research into their training, their board specialty certifications, and their history, if any, of any disciplinary actions taken by their governing medical board or court judgments which may be on record for the past 10 years. This practice has guided me away from a marginal physician on more than one occasion.

I believe we owe it to ourselves to be informed consumers when it comes to our medical care. I ask questions, and do reading to better understand the issues. That practice is not wrong for me to do, and it has no impact on others.

If this forum is a place where only 1 perspective is considered acceptable, then it is not at true community of supportive individuals...

IMHO FWIW