A Big Fat Debate

[Humming Bird 275]

I will have to read the article later and see what it has to say ...

I don't keep track of anything, but I try to stay mindful. For example, if I go to starbucks and get a latte I order non-fat.

I do know that after being banded I can no longer tolerate fried foods, so that has reduced my fat intake a great deal.

Even with not tracking or journaling anything my intake of everything has been greatly reduced, fats, carbs, whatever. I am in a much better place with simply being banded. It works for me.

[mattie7632 24]

I know butter has a lot of calories, but I refuse to buy margarine. It's like spreading plastic onto your bread. LOL

I didn't even read the article, but I know from past experience that it's the Protein that really matters So about 1000 calories with the Protein. I would eat, and 200 in carbs. to give a kick to the protein. "It works"

1200 of carbs,, carbs turn to sugar, so not a good thing, and fat free products are loaded with sugar.

So I'll stick to the protein.

I took a glance at it. I know a little something about the fat, taught to me by a specialist.

Butter vs Margarine we all know that they still basically carry the same calorie count "not to much difference"

He told me to take a open container of margarine out side, and leave it there for the flies to go to.

I was like what???? He said just do what I'm telling you and keep your eyes on the flies.

When I went back to him in a week, he said well ! ! Nothing the flies didn't go to it.

EXACTLEY ! It's not fit for human consumption. It is strictly made of chemicals, and if they would add this

other chemical to it "I DON'T REMEMBER THE NAME" It would become PLASTIC...

I about threw up. Because on occasion, I used Margarine. He said it's been proven Butter is Better.

When your Dietitian says NO WAY! Tell her to conduct this project. that was 22 years ago. I still don't use it, and my husbands Arteries are clean, mine too. He said that is a major cause of Blocked Arteries.

So take it all serious. You truly are what you eat. Hope this Matters

Shirley

10/31/2006

[Huggles1951 1]

I hope nobody saw my previous reply as advocating a super high fat diet.. I didn't mean that at all. I use 1% milk in my zero carb Protein Powder shakes and though I don't eat a lot of cheese because of the Constipation factor the cheese is regular not low fat. I do have sugar free stuff like popsicles and things like that. I do use regular mayo and small amounts of butter, olive and other oils. I never had any luck counting calories because when I did it just seemed like I was obsessing over every crumb I ate and that made things worse for me. For me Low carb high Protein just works better and it's basically the diet I was given after surgery. I usually don't count carbs either. I just try to watch what I have. I do eat brown rice and oatmeal but no bread and rarely eat potatoes. When you think about it though there are carbs in just about everything like catsup and Salad Dressing etc so I know I'm getting some and it isn't worth obsessing about for me. I know I'm not perfect and occasionally I'll have stuff I shouldn't but I'm done beating myself up over it and I refuse to let an occasional treat derail the whole process. Since I've cut out most of the obvious bad carbs I don't get that uncontrollable urge to keep binging on sweets like I did before. Since I'm afraid to try bread I can't fall back on my previous habit of being too lazy to cook and just having a sandwich (or two) like I used to do. I could just stay home instead of dragging my butt to the Y 5 days a week and just eat ice cream, drink milk shakes, eat a bunch of chocolate and fill up on greasy starchy foods but what would be the point of having put myself through the risk of surgery? As long as I keep losing weight and my cholesterol and sugar numbers keep heading in the right direction I'll be a happy camper. I just have to keep reminding myself that this isn't a diet or a punishment, it's a new healthy lifestyle instead. High fat or low fat, high carb or low carb it's whatever works. After all we're not all the same and what will work for me might not work for someone else. As long as something works we're all ahead of the game.

[54Shirley 105]

Margarine is NOT made out of chemicals.Butter is full of saturated fat on one hand and full of Vitamins A,B,K on the other.Margarine is made from seeds oils so it is full of polyunsaturated fats and Omega3 and 6 but on the other hand it is full of trans fats.American Heart Association (AHA), National Heart, Lung and Blood Institute (NJLBI) and National Cholesterol Education Program (NCEP) prefer " trans free" margarine.

But imho .. fat is fat.Period.When consumed in excess amount fats contribute to weight gain and heart disease.You should eat it but you have to wisely choose your fat (from fish,nuts,olive oil,etc etc) and not to overdo it.Everything in moderation (something i never did as a fat person )

Then tell me why flies won't even go to it if it's edible?

[CheckYes 46]

Flies go to dog poo but I'm not going to eat that! Teehee!

[CheckYes 46]

I agree completely. I am a firm believer that balance is the key. I personally don't want to end up saying "I can't have" this or that because it's a carb or whatnot. I'd like to be able to eat a variety but just restrict my portion sizes enough to maintain my weight when I reach goal.

Jachut, best wishes on your treatment. You're a rock star in my book!

Im firmly in the "a calorie is a calorie" camp, although I do agree that low carb seems to suit some people's bodies better. But for the general population, I dont think it makes a lot of difference as long as the calories in calories out equation is right.

I dont believe in "diet" foods though - I dont buy low fat or artififcially sweetened foods. I think high fat and high sugar foods are foods that need to be eaten in moderation and making them low fat or artificially sweetened does not give you licence to eat them daily.

What gets my goat and makes me argumentative is people's insistence that they have THE answer. I agree with the above poster, fat is fat. We need it, we should eat some but you cant then read an article like the one quoted and think you can eat all the fat you like. You still have to have balance, which is why,when you do it right, it STILL comes down to the calories you eat.

In general, I dont believe much the nutrition industry says. They were adamant low carb eating was it and a bit in the 70's and obviously it didnt work then. They they were positive that high carb low fat was the bees knees. That obviously didnt work either. Do you honestly believe that its going to be different this time around? And in reality anyway, people dont follow it - people in general eat high fat, high carb, highly processed diets and do no exercise. Any "system" that you follow is going to be better tha that and improve your health states. Even a low carb high fat diet is probably less fat and crap than the average person eats, and thus is healthier. You should just do what resonates well with you and ignore anyone who tells you that you're wrong or they know better or whatever.

And its not an either/or thing anyway. I dont really believe in high fat low carb eating, but that doesnt mean I'm a complete advocate of high carb low fat! There's plenty of us around that eat moderately from ALL food groups and do just fine too.