A Big Fat Debate

[ElfiePoo 109]

For those who get grief about eating a low carb, high fat diet...thought you might enjoy this article.

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[Mimilou2004 13]

Here's what I have to say....OMG!!!!!

Thanks for the link, it was an excellent article.

Mimi

[spatters101 1]

You know, I think the end of the line is that a calorie is a calorie is a calorie. So whether you eat low carb, low fat or whatever.....you have to look at those calories. While eating bacon, sausage, cheese and other 'high fat' stuff certainly makes you feel full and doesn't cause your glucose to do a roller coaster all over the place you can't eat a lot of it (which is a good thing). On the other hand, eating a lot of high carb stuff to not eat fat is sort of senseless cause that makes you hungry due to the glucose. I think the bottom line is eat Protein, then vege's then carbs and fit your fat in there somewhere. In the end whether you eat 1200 calories of low carb or 1200 calories of low fat, you still ate 1200 calories. What matters to me is how those calories make me feel...full and satisfied or looking for something else.

For those who get grief about eating a low carb, high fat diet...thought you might enjoy this article.

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[ElfiePoo 109]

In the end whether you eat 1200 calories of low carb or 1200 calories of low fat, you still ate 1200 calories. What matters to me is how those calories make me feel...full and satisfied or looking for something else.

Actually, I think the article was making the point that it does make a difference.

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[CheckYes 46]

You couldn't have written it better. Melody! Supports your position exactly the way you've been describing it.

[ElfiePoo 109]

You couldn't have written it better. Melody! Supports your position exactly the way you've been describing it.

Thanks. You know I never paid much attention to the whole 'trans fat' debate but after reading this article, I went and educated myself on 'trans fats' and realized...by eliminating wheat and gluten (just because I feel better without them and it's too hard to stay low carb and still eat them) and getting all my carbs from vegies...I don't have to worry about trans fats. Bonus!

[vlp1968 83]

Thanks for the article- very interesting. I eat a fairly low fat diet most of the time (with the occasional splurge). I choose low fat dairy, sausage et.. I do so because they have less calories. The same goes for meat, I choose lean cuts.

[54Shirley 105]

I didn't even read the article, but I know from past experience that it's the Protein that really matters So about 1000 calories with the Protein. I would eat, and 200 in carbs. to give a kick to the protein. "It works"

1200 of carbs,, carbs turn to sugar, so not a good thing, and fat free products are loaded with sugar.

So I'll stick to the protein.

I took a glance at it. I know a little something about the fat, taught to me by a specialist.

Butter vs Margarine we all know that they still basically carry the same calorie count "not to much difference"

He told me to take a open container of margarine out side, and leave it there for the flies to go to.

I was like what???? He said just do what I'm telling you and keep your eyes on the flies.

When I went back to him in a week, he said well ! ! Nothing the flies didn't go to it.

EXACTLEY ! It's not fit for human consumption. It is strictly made of chemicals, and if they would add this

other chemical to it "I DON'T REMEMBER THE NAME" It would become PLASTIC...

I about threw up. Because on occasion, I used Margarine. He said it's been proven Butter is Better.

When your Dietitian says NO WAY! Tell her to conduct this project. that was 22 years ago. I still don't use it, and my husbands Arteries are clean, mine too. He said that is a major cause of Blocked Arteries.

So take it all serious. You truly are what you eat. Hope this Matters

Shirley

10/31/2006

[ElfiePoo 109]

Shirley,

I'm glad that 200 carbs works for you. I'd still be on insulin if I went over 30-40 on a regular basis.

Same for the Protein. I stick to roughly 60gm Protein per day because the body creates a glucogenic effect from excess protein. I discovered the truth of this one when I went to zero carbs and still had difficulty getting my sugar levels down.

Atkins talks about monitoring fat intake as well and recommends around 60%. Over that and there is the potential for actually gaining weight as a result of excess fat.

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[Huggles1951 1]

Back when I was slim (before my life went to crap) I did the ..GASP...Atkins diet. I know mention of the Atkins diet will have some ppl shrieking " Are you nuts". No actually I am sane (more or less)..lol. The Atkins diet for those who don't know is basically a high protien low carb diet that does not advocate low fat. I always did great on it and never watched the fat. I too have never used margarine..yuck and found the fat issue interesting. I don't do low fat dairy and cheese now and I use olive oil, canola oil. peanut oil and actual butter. Most of the carbs I consume now are from no sugar added fruit. I haven't been taking my cholesterol meds since my surgery as my Dr wanted to see where everything was now without it . I just had my yearly physical and my primary Dr. was really impressed with my levels without the meds. I am one point short of being in the overall normal range. I was in the pre diabetic range before with my blood sugar and that is also 1 point short of the normal range too. I am really excited as I had the surgery to avoid becoming diabetic. I did find another bonus to having more good fat in my diet and that's the hair and skin issue. If you don't get enough good fats ( not trans fats) your hair gets dry and brittle and starts to fall out and your skin starts to get dry. I'm still losing weight though it's slower now and I'm not really too upset as I didn't gain it overnight either. I'm going in the 9th and he will probably do a fill. My first one and I'm kind of worried he'll overfill me but I 'll have to figure this all out along the way like all of you have. I love this site because all of your experiences have made it easier for me to know what to expect. Just want to say thanks to all of you. .

[54Shirley 105]

Back when I was slim (before my life went to crap) I did the ..GASP...Atkins diet. I know mention of the Atkins diet will have some ppl shrieking " Are you nuts". No actually I am sane (more or less)..lol. The Atkins diet for those who don't know is basically a high protien low carb diet that does not advocate low fat. I always did great on it and never watched the fat. I too have never used margarine..yuck and found the fat issue interesting. I don't do low fat dairy and cheese now and I use olive oil, canola oil. peanut oil and actual butter. Most of the carbs I consume now are from no sugar added fruit. I haven't been taking my cholesterol meds since my surgery as my Dr wanted to see where everything was now without it . I just had my yearly physical and my primary Dr. was really impressed with my levels without the meds. I am one point short of being in the overall normal range. I was in the pre diabetic range before with my blood sugar and that is also 1 point short of the normal range too. I am really excited as I had the surgery to avoid becoming diabetic. I did find another bonus to having more good fat in my diet and that's the hair and skin issue. If you don't get enough good fats ( not trans fats) your hair gets dry and brittle and starts to fall out and your skin starts to get dry. I'm still losing weight though it's slower now and I'm not really too upset as I didn't gain it overnight either. I'm going in the 9th and he will probably do a fill. My first one and I'm kind of worried he'll overfill me but I 'll have to figure this all out along the way like all of you have. I love this site because all of your experiences have made it easier for me to know what to expect. Just want to say thanks to all of you. .

YAY ! ! ! You have all your Ducks in a Row, that's for sure. Your Meds, or Lack off are proof of it ! ! So give yourself a big pat on the back, because you earned it. Knowledge is a wonderful thing. So just remember what did work for you, and go with it.

I try to do between 50-60G of Protein. Even for a older lady "ya like the way I put that,,, LOL" my hair shines, with a gorgeous shine to it I was also taught by our Dietitian to don't do all Protein, it can be hard on the Kidneys. Instead once you ate your protein, have a carb "DOESN'T HAVE TO BE MUCH !" It will give that Protein a kick in the butt, and you will have even more energy. Well It's True ! That's how I try to eat my dinner, and what a charge I get.

Glad to hear your doing well, I hope this info helps some people change their mind about eating Margarine

[ElfiePoo 109]

I hope this info helps some people change their mind about eating Margarine

Margarine is just one example of why people should take *everything* the nutrition and diet industry (including FDA) spout as gospel. For decades they told people margarine was better. Now, they're saying butter is better than margarine.

Glad I just continued eating butter for all those decades.

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[DIRKT32 1]

Margarine is NOT made out of chemicals.Butter is full of saturated fat on one hand and full of Vitamins A,B,K on the other.Margarine is made from seeds oils so it is full of polyunsaturated fats and Omega3 and 6 but on the other hand it is full of trans fats.American Heart Association (AHA), National Heart, Lung and Blood Institute (NJLBI) and National Cholesterol Education Program (NCEP) prefer " trans free" margarine.

But imho .. fat is fat.Period.When consumed in excess amount fats contribute to weight gain and heart disease.You should eat it but you have to wisely choose your fat (from fish,nuts,olive oil,etc etc) and not to overdo it.Everything in moderation (something i never did as a fat person )

[Jachut 487]

Im firmly in the "a calorie is a calorie" camp, although I do agree that low carb seems to suit some people's bodies better. But for the general population, I dont think it makes a lot of difference as long as the calories in calories out equation is right.

I dont believe in "diet" foods though - I dont buy low fat or artififcially sweetened foods. I think high fat and high sugar foods are foods that need to be eaten in moderation and making them low fat or artificially sweetened does not give you licence to eat them daily.

What gets my goat and makes me argumentative is people's insistence that they have THE answer. I agree with the above poster, fat is fat. We need it, we should eat some but you cant then read an article like the one quoted and think you can eat all the fat you like. You still have to have balance, which is why,when you do it right, it STILL comes down to the calories you eat.

In general, I dont believe much the nutrition industry says. They were adamant low carb eating was it and a bit in the 70's and obviously it didnt work then. They they were positive that high carb low fat was the bees knees. That obviously didnt work either. Do you honestly believe that its going to be different this time around? And in reality anyway, people dont follow it - people in general eat high fat, high carb, highly processed diets and do no exercise. Any "system" that you follow is going to be better tha that and improve your health states. Even a low carb high fat diet is probably less fat and crap than the average person eats, and thus is healthier. You should just do what resonates well with you and ignore anyone who tells you that you're wrong or they know better or whatever.

And its not an either/or thing anyway. I dont really believe in high fat low carb eating, but that doesnt mean I'm a complete advocate of high carb low fat! There's plenty of us around that eat moderately from ALL food groups and do just fine too.

[ElfiePoo 109]

I don't think the article was at all saying you can eat all the fat you want. What it was saying is that the medical/diet industry has demonized fat as the reason for obesity and heart disease when there is little to prove that is the case...and quite a lot that shows the opposite.

Someone on another list I belong to said what most people will take away from this is that you can eat a high fat diet...as much as you like...and/or you can do that in combination with a diet high in sugar and carbs. It appears they may be right if you believe the article is suggesting you can eat all the fat you like.

I don't know of *any* law carb advocate that suggests you can eat *all* the fat you like.

I don't agree that a calorie is a calorie. I (and most other long term low carbers I know) can eat 300-700 (varies by person) calories more on a low carb diet than we can on a diet where calories remain the same but the carbs jump to over 100...which suggests that all calories are not created equal.

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