protein intolerance

[cduval04 7]

Ok so I have bought all the powders highly recommended on this forum including Syntrax fuzzy peach nectar, optimum nutrition gold standard whey (Cookies and cream) and another one by optimum nutrition called hydro-whey which is good also, and it's not that they don't taste good, its just that I cant drink even 8 oz before I start to feel gross, sick, bloated and gassy.

So, I remembered I went to a really good naturalist a while back when I was having issues and she ran the "ELISA" testing on me which tests not for acute allergic reactions (called IgE antibodies), but delayed intolerances/sensitivities (IgG antibodies) which can range from anything to gas, bloating, cramps, to muscle/joint aches to neuro issues like mood swings/irritability.

So, I looked at the results which I had not reviewed in quite awhile, and it says I have severe antibodies (>5x the normal amount) to milk products and moderate antibodies (>3x the normal level) to eggs, yolk and white.

Now my mom argues with me that I could always tolerate milk and eggs fine before surgery, but I always tell her it's not that I tolerated them, but I really didn't care if I spent a half hour on the toilet if it meant that delicious pint of ice cream (I know, true confessions), and I also made the point that I think I took A LOT more of the offending substance to affect me so that I did care (because my stomach was much larger), and I usually didn't get to that quantity. And my third argument to her, and I have no clue if this has any credibility, but I did tell her that maybe I didn't notice it that much b/c I was eating so much other crap, bread, Pasta, oats, fruit, veggies etc. etc.

and when I first got the results back for "milk" sensitivity I just thought "oh I can take a Lactaid and I will be fine", but then just learned yesterday that milk intolerance is NOT the same as lactose intolerance. Lactose is only an intolerance to one part of the milk-the sugar, which is called the lactose. but milk is made up of whey (which is the watery stuff, and makes up 20% of the Proteins found in milk, and casein, which are the lumpy white globs seen in sour milk. Therefore "milk intolerance" is very different that "lactose intolerance." and unfortunately there is no way to avoid symptoms like with lactose intolerance, you just have to avoid milk products.

sorry if you already knew all that, but I found it interesting b/c alot of people who get tested and have a "milk" allergy or intolerance just think they are lactose intolerant, which is what I did.

so then there are the eggs, which I don't have as high of a sensitivity level to, but I would like to avoid.

which leaves soy. Now I do have a history of breast cancer in my family, and I know soy messes with your thyroid and also mimics estrogen (and my doc thinks I may be estrogen dominant already), but I also know that for the next couple weeks, I have to get my Protein in somehow, and this seems to be the only way, because the only Proteins I know of are milk Protein concentrate/isolate, egg white, whey isolate/concentrate, (which is made from milk), and soy isolate/concentrate. My antibody level to "soybean" came back completely negative. I also I don't think by taking soy protein for a few weeks until I can eat solids is going to give me breast cancer. I think it is long term use that many professionals advise against.

So, I really don't know why I gave all that info, (maybe it will help someone else, and I had also been asking for whey powder recommendations and I wanted to explain why I am all of a sudden now asking for soy). But because the only powders I didn't mind the taste of were recommended by users on this forum, and I know NOTHING about the world of soy protein isolates/powders, maybe there are some soy lovers, vegetarians/vegans who can give me some good tasting ones?

thanks and merry christmas/happy holidays and for those of you that are a day or two out, today is day 4 for me and I am just today starting to feel "normal" again, less bloating, etc.

[melzie_99 22]

Thanks for the info; I've actually been a bit concerned about this. I also have a lactose (or maybe dairy, IDK) sensitivity/intolerance. I've tried a few of the sample of whey Protein powders I received from my nutritionist and seemed to have a similar, though less severe, "response" like I do with milk products. The thought of too much soy makes me nervous as well...what to do? I start my pre surgery diet on Sunday so I'll see how sensitive I really am to all this stuff; let me know what works for you!

[CheckYes 46]

Optimum Nutrition also makes a good soy Protein. I'm vegetarian and tried to find an organic humane whey protein but the one I found messed with my tummy. Spirutein is also yummy with several flavors but the carb count was higher than my doc allows. I hope you find something that works for you. Best wishes!

[Phranp 46]

I am lactose intolerant as well. I do use Muscle Milk whey Protein powder and I mix it half and half soymilk/water. Works out ok for me. But, for those that don't want any of that, have you tried:

For vegetarians, vegans and anyone looking for a non-animal derived Protein, try Swanson 100% Pure Pea Protein: pure, easily digestible, great-tasting, vegan-friendly protein source made with yellow peas (Pisum sativum). It features an amino acid profile very close to ideal for human nutrition, as recommended by health organizations worldwide. Plus, unlike many protein supplements, Pea Protein is easy on the stomach and almost completely digestible, making it the perfect choice for sensitive individuals, children and the elderly.

Hope this is helpful.

Happy Holidays!

~Fran

[cduval04 7]

Thanks for the info; I've actually been a bit concerned about this. I also have a lactose (or maybe dairy, IDK) sensitivity/intolerance. I've tried a few of the sample of whey Protein powders I received from my nutritionist and seemed to have a similar, though less severe, "response" like I do with milk products. The thought of too much soy makes me nervous as well...what to do? I start my pre surgery diet on Sunday so I'll see how sensitive I really am to all this stuff; let me know what works for you!

I went to the Vitamin shoppe today and decided on spirutein, it is a blend of rice Protein, pea protein, and soy protein isolate. I bought the banana one. I didn't have high hopes for it, infact I didnt have any hope at all for it because so many I've tried have not worked. But I was wrong, it smelled like a banana split, and it was really good. Like not just "its tolerable but I have to get it down" but I actually enjoyed drinking it. It came out green tinted cuz of the pea protein, but tasted nothing like peas at all. It only has 14 grams per scoop, but I figured some protein was better thank no protein at all. After consuming it, I perked up like a watered plant (I have had zero protein since sunday).

I too am concerned about the soy, b/c of my fam history of breast cancer and my thyroid issues, but as I said I only have till tuesday and then I can start eating yogurt and ff sf puding, and strained cream Soups, and other thin pureed stuff, so I wont need to rely on the soy as my sole protein source-I mean-one vanilla chobani has 14g protein! (i hope i tolerate the yogurt ok, if not I will have to find an alternative). and then when I get on solids a 3 wks, I wont need it anymore! they encourage you to get ur protein from solid foods like fish and meat etc. they don't want you to rely on Protein shakes and say they should not be used for meals unless you are really pressed for time. So its not like I will be eating soy for the rest of my life (b/c I am not a vegetarian like a lot of people here are), just a few weeks, so I am not really worried.

[CheckYes 46]

Thanks Fran! I will check that out.

[cduval04 7]

am week 7 post op but just wanted to say that soy Protein tasted awesome going down, but about 1 hour after I got super nauseas, I bought the one with Spirutein and I think that may have been the ingredient that made me feel sick.....after that I gave up on the protein b/c I had tried so many and there was only like 4 days left in my clear liqs so I called the doc and she said I could add skim milk and carnation instant bfast. other than that I survived on broth, Jello, gatorade and sf popsicles. My family had ham for christmas dinner...I had red and green jello yay....<img class="bbc_emoticon" alt=":ack2:" src="http://www.bariatricpal.com/public/style_emoticons/default/colorful/ack2.gif">...but thats over and I've lost 12lbs since 12/20.....I kinda expected to lose more but my first fill was only a week ago yesterday...so before that I was spending time in bandster hell....felt restriction with fill for like 48 hrs but now it has gone...I hope it comes back I know fills can have that delayed action thing....we will see...I forgot to ask her how many cc's she actually put in stupid me<img class="bbc_emoticon" alt="" src="http://www.bariatricpal.com/public/style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif">......is there a protocol for first fill on the realize-c band?? maybe that should be a question for a new thread kind of getting off topic here....<br>

[vickyd 24]

I am also lactose intolerant (and it became worse after surgery). Pre-surgery I could do Muscle Milk Light with Soy Milk but after surgery I couldn't tolerate it. Right now, the only one I have been able to handle is Isopure from GNC. It is entirely lactose free and I mix it with Soy Milk. I have tried the vanilla and chocolate and really like them both...I have a shake every weekday morning (because it is a quick and easy breakfast) and haven't had any problems with it.

[zeniada 9]

I am also lactose intolerant (and it became worse after surgery).

I too am lactose intolerant and it became worse after surgery I wonder why that is...I cant even drink Lactaid milk any more I need to take the Lactaid tablets before drinking even Lactaid milk...