How do you feel about "born-agains"?

[Cleo's Mom 257]

Others here feel it was senseless.

Because we were told that we went into Iraq because it had WMD, which it didn't. Not to form a democracy. Then when we didn't find the WMD the reasons changed almost monthly. bush actually said we had to stay (and therefore more soldiers die) so that the previous soldiers who died wouldn't have died in vain.

[elcee 3,341]

Well politicians can't admit they have ever made a mistake can they ? They have to try and justify what they have done.

Of course we will probably never have to fight an actual war against another countries military unless Iran really is as stupid as its acting. There is no country in the world that could withstand a prolonged war with us conventional or nuclear and by prolonged I mean 6 months.

I hope you are right. There are a couple of countries that worry me though - China is one - I believe that they could withstand a prolonged war and that their military could equal or beat the US. I hope that I am wrong and that I never have to find out.

North Korea is also a problem. Not because of the strength of their army but because they have nuclear weapons and they are run by a total nut job!

NB. This thread has become a lot more interesting than it was in the beginning. It's amazing where you can allow yourself to end up when you get sidetracked!

Even though none of us will probably ever meet I still feel more comfortable arguing on a thread about religion than on one that discusses your favourite sexual position or some of the other threads that we have in the off topic sections of the board!

[loserbob 11]

Others here feel it was senseless.

I agree! You can say we're better off, maybe but who really knows? I wouldnt do it all over again. Way to many lives lost, for what, so Iran can control Iraq and the rest of the Middle East! I've said before, Iraq was a buffer to Iran and now Iran will eventually become the regional superpower!

[loserbob 11]

Well politicians can't admit they have ever made a mistake can they ? They have to try and justify what they have done.

I hope you are right. There are a couple of countries that worry me though - China is one - I believe that they could withstand a prolonged war and that their military could equal or beat the US. I hope that I am wrong and that I never have to find out.

North Korea is also a problem. Not because of the strength of their army but because they have nuclear weapons and they are run by a total nut job!

NB. This thread has become a lot more interesting than it was in the beginning. It's amazing where you can allow yourself to end up when you get sidetracked!

Even though none of us will probably ever meet I still feel more comfortable arguing on a thread about religion than on one that discusses your favourite sexual position or some of the other threads that we have in the off topic sections of the board!

If we go to war with any country and are actually allowed to fight without being hampered by politicaly correct bullshit no other country would stand a chance! (When we where in Somalia we would get shot at by thugs in Toyotas with guns mounted in the beds of trucks. We're sitting in Abrams tanks and other armored vehicles making calls to U.N. headquarters in Djibouti or some place far from where we where.to get approval to fire back, by this time the Somalis are long gone, they knew this was how it worked, bullshit! Dont worry, militarily we are light years ahead of any other country, even China. Chinas problem is they are a rich government, but most of the population is still living in poverty. If war broke out they would not have support from people who already have low moral. Trust me, I've seen alot of what we have militarily and theres alot more I havent seen. We've had stealth technology since the 70s (maybe earlier) so what do we have now that we dont know about? Think about it, stealth seems so new but we've had it for at least 4 decades! Today not one other country has an answer for it. The problem with N. Korea is way to poor, alot of sabre rattling. They know it wouldnt be wise to use the few nukes they might, might have. Back to China, they have alot of people but their military is still I believe 4,000,000 strong, I could be wrong. China doesnt even have an aqircraft carrier for their navy, Russia only has 1 Soviet Era carrier. The only reason these wars would possibly be long drawn out is because we'd be over there fighting with our navy and airforce just like everywhere else and China is a huge country. Our air power and especially our naval power is unmatched, no country in the world even comes close!

[loserbob 11]

Well politicians can't admit they have ever made a mistake can they ? They have to try and justify what they have done.

I hope you are right. There are a couple of countries that worry me though - China is one - I believe that they could withstand a prolonged war and that their military could equal or beat the US. I hope that I am wrong and that I never have to find out.

North Korea is also a problem. Not because of the strength of their army but because they have nuclear weapons and they are run by a total nut job!

NB. This thread has become a lot more interesting than it was in the beginning. It's amazing where you can allow yourself to end up when you get sidetracked!

Even though none of us will probably ever meet I still feel more comfortable arguing on a thread about religion than on one that discusses your favourite sexual position or some of the other threads that we have in the off topic sections of the board!

Ah, Sexual positions, this leads me to my next thread! Ah never mind, just go to the "powder room" for that!

[loserbob 11]

Im talking about actual war, one nations army against anothers, not these nut job groups, religious fanatics(im not talking about born agains either). I dont even consider "the war on terrorism" a true war. Not discrediting our military. We're fighting a cause, thugs from all over the world. Unfortunately we're the ones acting like its an actual war "with rules" so to speak! Of course we will probably never have to fight an actual war against another countries military unless Iran really is as stupid as its acting. There is no country in the world that could withstand a prolonged war with us conventional or nuclear and by prolonged I mean 6 months. As you saw in Iraq, we crushed their military in the first 7 days! Its the insurgency that causing the problems.

Not to change stories here but think about what we've done in Iraq. There is no other country in the world that could pull this off. Getting a bunch of religious Islamic nuts to agree to actually have somewhat of a democracy. All in 7 years time. Theres still alot of work to be done but it really is amazing when you think of what weve accomplished so far. Thanks to our troops and their families!

My opinion is, pull out of Iraq and Afghanistan and let the CIA and Special Forces do their thing! We will just keep killing low level nuts all day because they keep coming in waves like cockroaches, being brainwashed to believe they're dying for the cause! Let the CIA go after the high level members(cowards) who are hiding in caves. My grandfather fought in WWII and used to tell me he couldnt stand the sight of a Japanese person, as mean as it sounds, thats how I feel about middle easterners! They are some of the most ruthless people on the planet. Kill em and bury them with pigs heads. Actually I guess that would mean we had to kill a poor pig! Alright, Im done,sore subject for me! back to born-agains.

[Emerald 0]

live and let live ......thats my motto, as simplistic as it may sound !

[pattygreen 5]

live and let live ......thats my motto, as simplistic as it may sound !

That motto is good for this life, but what about after you die? If you're not "born again" you will not have life in Heaven. That's what the God teaches.

[btrieger 21]

That motto is good for this life, but what about after you die? If you're not "born again" you will not have life in Heaven. That's what the God teaches.

Don't be silly. There is NO god!

[elcee 3,341]

Yeah, all those poor Jews, Muslims, Buddhists, Catholics etc they are all going to burn in hell along with all the non believers aren't they Patty , even if they have led exemplary lives, all because they have made the wrong choice!

[Cleo's Mom 257]

Yeah, all those poor Jews, Muslims, Buddhists, Catholics etc they are all going to burn in hell along with all the non believers aren't they Patty , even if they have led exemplary lives, all because they have made the wrong choice!

And let's not forget that there is only one correct interpretation of the bible - pattygreen's.

Every other interpretation, including those of organized religions, that doesn't mesh with pattygreen's is wrong, according to her.

[pattygreen 5]

Yeah, all those poor Jews, Muslims, Buddhists, Catholics etc they are all going to burn in hell along with all the non believers aren't they Patty , even if they have led exemplary lives, all because they have made the wrong choice!

Anyone who has not asked God's son, Jesus, to be their Savior, and is not trusting in him to bring them into heaven when they die will not go there. They will perish.

I believe that Catholics do this. Yes, they make some major mistakes, like praying to Mary and other people who have died, and confessing their sins to a priest instead of to God, etc., but they do profess to believe in Jesus as their Savior, so any 'mistakes' that they have made will be forgiven thankfully. They will have to answer to God for why they did not read his words that he gave us to avoid these mistakes, and will suffer loss, as the bible says, but they will get to Heaven.

Muslims and Buddhists, OTOH, do not believe in Jesus, and therefore, will die and perish in the fire, unless when they reach their lifes end, have turned from their sin of worshipping a false God and ask Jesus to save them.

The Jews are God’s chosen people, and through them come the Jewish Messiah to bless all the nations of the earth. And it is only through Jesus that Jews can find God’s complete atonement and forgiveness. Most all of the new testament was written by jews.

While individual Jews must come to Christ for salvation, God is still not finished with Israel as a nation. The Bible tells us that in the end times, Israel will finally recognize Jesus as their Messiah.

You mentioned 'exemplary' lives. This is where many people get confused. Our entrance into Heaven is not determined by our 'deeds', whether good ones or bad ones. Only our Faith in Jesus determines whether we go to Heaven when we die or whether we get destroyed and perish in Hell. AFTER we die and our destination is determined, those who are in Heaven will be judged for their 'deeds' or 'works'. Not judged to heaven or hell, for that was already determined. But, our bad deeds will be forgiven and our good deeds will be rewarded. So, HOW you live your life is important for believers, for your treasures in Heaven are determined by them, but HOW unbelievers live their life, I guess doesn't matter, cause they live their life for the here and now, and when they die it's over for them. They perish. So, making the wrong 'choice' in this life is a very serious thing. Your very life depends upon it.

[Beachbunny 5]

First off im Methodist , not that it matters on a lapband site. I did attend a Born again church for over 3 years and loved it. I do not think religious background is too important on a Lapband site . Are you simply looking to bash people? what is the end goal? aren't we here to lose weight and be supportive of one another? why does being born again make a difference in weight loss?

[Beachbunny 5]

That motto is good for this life, but what about after you die? If you're not "born again" you will not have life in Heaven. That's what the God teaches.

Patty, what you fail to realize is....Born again is a term . Many other "faiths" accept Jesus as their savior, but don't use the term Born again. When you have a relationship with the lord the term Born again is irrelevant. Making enemies on a board, isn't helping the cause. Just show love towards others and act christian like without condemning, after all , thats what Jesus would want from you.

[pattygreen 5]

And let's not forget that there is only one correct interpretation of the bible - pattygreen's.

Every other interpretation, including those of organized religions, that doesn't mesh with pattygreen's is wrong, according to her.

I am not perfect. I make mistakes like everyone else. But, there are some things that are just tooo clear in scripture to be mistaken for meaning anything else but what it says.

Here's just ONE example.

Catholics pray to Mary and to 'Saints'. In the scripture, saints are believers in Jesus who have died. There are many scriptures that teach that you should not pray to the dead.

"Jesus says to him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man comes to the Father, except by me. For one God, and one Mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus." John 14:6; I Timothy 2:5"

So, if there is ONE mediator between God and man, then praying to Mary or saints and using them to talk to God for us is useless.

Also, Let no one be found among you who sacrifices his son or daughter in the fire, who practices divination or sorcery, interprets omens, engages in witchcraft, or casts spells, or who is a medium or spiritist or who consults the dead.

Deut. 18:10-13

These are very clear instructions from God. They can not be misunderstood. So, even if a major, organized religion teaches otherwise, they are wrong. The bible alone is God's word and is true, not men. Even men of high standing, who call themselves biblical scholars, within an organized religion can be wrong about what they are teaching if it doesn't line up with what the bible clearly says. Many people don't take the time to really read it. Even Priests and ministers don't all read it. They trust what those above them have handed down in their lessons and teachings as truth, but in actuality are lies. God even teaches to be aware of this in the bible.

So, while there is still much for me to learn, what I have learned from reading and studying the bible for 27 years, every day of my life, is pretty clear to me.