Palin joins Fox - right where she belongs!

[tdslf1 0]

PG,

You have said many times in many different ways that we need to raise our level of morality as though your is the annoited one. Instead of having dialoge you have lorded over anyone who dissagrees with religious teachings as though you and only on this board have a relationship with God. Just because our relationship or lack there of is not as religiously affected as your is does not make ours any less worthy or full of merit. You may not have said it outright, but you sure have implied it.

[BJean 16]

She has gone so far as to say that this country is going to fail if we don't embrace our Christian heritage and do what she says the Bible tells us - abide by God's teachings.

And she's also said that unless we become "born again" we are going to hell. No discussion on that. She knows this for a fact. She posts some scary stuff.

[pattygreen 5]

PG,

You have said many times in many different ways that we need to raise our level of morality as though your is the annoited one. Instead of having dialoge you have lorded over anyone who dissagrees with religious teachings as though you and only on this board have a relationship with God. Just because our relationship or lack there of is not as religiously affected as your is does not make ours any less worthy or full of merit. You may not have said it outright, but you sure have implied it.

I speak generally. Not you personally, for I don't know you that well. In general, there are many things that liberals feel are morally okay which God deems unacceptable. This is why I say that America needs to raise its level of morality. I have no intent to offend anyone here. this is not my goal. I am not posting here to offend you or anyone else who reads here. If I have, I apologize.

[pattygreen 5]

She has gone so far as to say that this country is going to fail if we don't embrace our Christian heritage and do what she says the Bible tells us - abide by God's teachings.

I do believe that America's blessedness comes from God. He takes care of those who acknowledge his Son. If this Nation continues to distance themselves from him, he may remove his blessings from us. I believe that it is the prayers of his children who live here that brings about his mercy and grace upon us.

If we fail, it is because we are enduring the consequences for our actions. Consequences come because of our actions whether good or bad. If our actions are in line with God's word, (good actions) then we will succeed. If they are not, (wrong actions) then we will fail. But, when our wrong actions don't bring failure, it is because God has been merciful to us because his children live here and pray for the Nations forgiveness.

And she's also said that unless we become "born again" we are going to hell. No discussion on that. She knows this for a fact. She posts some scary stuff.

I did not coin the words. Those words come from God. He said ,"You must be born again." All those who do not choose to be in God's family, for whatever reason, will not be. There are only two places to exist after death from this life. Heaven or Hell. One is with God, and the other is without Him. It is each persons 'choice'. Why is that scary stuff? Is it because of all the things someone else may have told you about Hell?

[Cleo's Mom 257]

I did not coin the words. Those words come from God. He said ,"You must be born again." All those who do not choose to be in God's family, for whatever reason, will not be. There are only two places to exist after death from this life. Heaven or Hell. One is with God, and the other is without Him. It is each persons 'choice'. Why is that scary stuff? Is it because of all the things someone else may have told you about Hell?

Well, you see PG, the catholic church, which considers itself the one true apostolic church, has interpreted the bible a little differently than you.

As a major religion, headed by the infallable pope, I guess they got it wrong because they believe in heaven, hell, purgatory and limbo.

So, you see. There is more than one interpretation of the bible. Who knew??

[Kat817 19]

Politically, I do consider myself a liberal. I feel we should have the right to make our decisions regarding some issues ourselves, a decision we make ourselves. As opposed to all matters being decided with the government involved.

Simply considering myself liberal does not make me a sinner. If it makes me less in your eyes, then you are the one judging, and we have all went down that road with you before. It is not your place to decide whether me being a liberal or a conservative is right or wrong.

In fact a large part of the reason I consider myself a liberal, is that I do my best to accept others as they are. ACCEPT them. Not brow beat my beliefs into them. I believe others are as capable of making a decision regarding their religious and political beliefs as I am, and I do not think the 2 go hand in hand.

As for the topic of this thread---yes I believe Palin is right where she belongs. No problems at all with her being on air, on FOX or any other channel. I can watch if I choose,and change channels if I don't. No one is telling me that I HAVE to watch, or that I CANNOT watch.

As usual tho, this topic gets turned to a religious, and moral one. Can't say it surprises me tho!

[pattygreen 5]

Well, you see PG, the catholic church, which considers itself the one true apostolic church, has interpreted the bible a little differently than you.

As a major religion, headed by the infallable pope, I guess they got it wrong because they believe in heaven, hell, purgatory and limbo.

So, you see. There is more than one interpretation of the bible. Who knew??

The Catholic church had the bible hidden from their congregation for many centuries for a reason. Anyone who has read the bible knows that their doctrines are their own denominations rules and traditions and do not all come from the bible. After the people in that denomination got the bible into their own hands, they became Enlightened to their leaders deceitfulness to them. Why do you think we have protestants today?

BTW, even Catholics will tell you that the word or concept of 'purgatory' or 'limbo' is found no where in scripture. So, they have not 'interpretted' the bible differently, they have 'added' to it some of their own traditions, rules, and teachings.

The bible says what it says. No interpretation problems. Only problems for those who don't want to adhere to what it says.

[BJean 16]

Kat, good one.

Btw, I believe that there are probably plenty of people who read patty's posts and agree with her wholeheartedly but do not want to join the fray and risk confrontation with those who might argue with them.

Some people take debate personally and find it totally distasteful. Very understandable. But for many of us it is a great outlet - especially since we are sometimes frustrated with what we read here or what we observe on television, radio or internet.

[tdslf1 0]

There goes that holier than liberal attitude rearing its ugly head again.

[Cleo's Mom 257]

The Catholic church had the bible hidden from their congregation for many centuries for a reason. Anyone who has read the bible knows that their doctrines are their own denominations rules and traditions and do not all come from the bible. After the people in that denomination got the bible into their own hands, they became Enlightened to their leaders deceitfulness to them. Why do you think we have protestants today?

BTW, even Catholics will tell you that the word or concept of 'purgatory' or 'limbo' is found no where in scripture. So, they have not 'interpretted' the bible differently, they have 'added' to it some of their own traditions, rules, and teachings.

The bible says what it says. No interpretation problems. Only problems for those who don't want to adhere to what it says.

Let me preface this by saying that in no way am I defending the Catholic Church. I don't agree with half of what they say we should believe. However, I am only pointing out that they justify ALL their religious conclusions on the bible. And I am pointing out that this major religion of billions of people has a different interpretation of the bible than you - which means that each of us is free to intrepret the bible individually and draw our own conclusions.

Purgatory: 2 Mc 12 38-46

Limbo: Luke 16 22

Luke 23 43

I'm sure you won't have the same interpretation and I am not saying I do either. Just another example of how MEN take the same book and reach different conclusions, just as I have.

[pattygreen 5]

Luke 23:43 "I tell you the truth, today you will be with me in Paradise."

It refers to a place of bliss or rest between death and the resurrection.

I did not understand that this is what they refered to as 'limbo'. But, since it is, I will state that during the time between Jesus' death and his resurrection a few days later, may be considered a time of 'limbo' because before Jesus died, people went to Paradise instead of Heaven when they died. This paradise was a place of 'limbo', I suppose, while waiting for Jesus to be born, grow up, die on the cross and get ressurected. Noone could be resurrected and enter Heaven until after Jesus was. I had always just called it 'Paradise'. Same goes for Luke 16, the story of the rich man and Lazarus. My apologies.

2Mc 12:38-46 is not part of the original bible. But, if 'purgatory, the place where souls can go and get a second' chance for Heaven were a real place, why would Jesus say that "to be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord." ? Shouldn't he have said, "to be absent from the body is to be in purgatory, if you weren't 'good' enough to go straight to Heaven."

To say that there is a purgatory contradicts other 'real' words from God.

[pattygreen 5]

However, I am only pointing out that they justify ALL their religious conclusions on the bible.[end]

No, they don't. They tried to tell their people that they couldn't eat meat on Fridays, only fish. That was no where to be found in the bible. They could not justify that 'conclusion' using the bible. When their people got the bible in their hands and read it for themselves, they protested and questioned their authorities. They eventually changed that rule or doctrine of theirs because it was not a command of God, but of the Catholic authorities, who is in no position to tell people when they can and can not eat meat. I could go on and on about many other Catholic rules and teachings that are not in the bible that they can not get a conclusion from the bible on. But it would take too much time. My point is that they don't justify ALL their conclusions with the bible. They don't cause they can't. Therefore, they DO NOT interpret the bible differently, they only ADD to it.

[Cleo's Mom 257]

Luke 23:43 "I tell you the truth, today you will be with me in Paradise."

It refers to a place of bliss or rest between death and the resurrection.

I did not understand that this is what they refered to as 'limbo'. But, since it is, I will state that during the time between Jesus' death and his resurrection a few days later, may be considered a time of 'limbo' because before Jesus died, people went to Paradise instead of Heaven when they died. This paradise was a place of 'limbo', I suppose, while waiting for Jesus to be born, grow up, die on the cross and get ressurected. Noone could be resurrected and enter Heaven until after Jesus was. I had always just called it 'Paradise'. Same goes for Luke 16, the story of the rich man and Lazarus. My apologies.

2Mc 12:38-46 is not part of the original bible. But, if 'purgatory, the place where souls can go and get a second' chance for Heaven were a real place, why would Jesus say that "to be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord." ? Shouldn't he have said, "to be absent from the body is to be in purgatory, if you weren't 'good' enough to go straight to Heaven."

To say that there is a purgatory contradicts other 'real' words from God.

They consider limbo a real place where innocent people, mostly babies, go when they have not been baptized yet and therefore still have original sin. It is supposed to be as wonderful as heaven but without God.

My point was not to debate bible passages but to point out that reading the parts of the bible that the catholic church used to justify limbo and purgatory were interpreted differently by protestants who do not believe in either.

Therefore, I can read the passages and come to my own conclusion about what Jesus meant, just as you have, just as the catholic church has, just as the protestant church has, etc.. AND THAT IS MY POINT.

[Kat817 19]

Once again, Patty you are turning a thread regarding something totally different into a thread promoting the Bible. I have absolutely nothing against the Bible....but neither do I base every breath I take on it.

I try to conduct myself, in action, and thought in what I would think would be a manner that would be considered Christian like. It may not seem that way to you, or to another person, but this is a personal relationship between ME and MY saviour---you do not figure into the relationship.

If we set up a study here on LBT, and had 50 randomly chosen members read through 25 different threads,(each one reading the exact same thing.) Then write up a "report" for lack of a better word, on what they read (now they cannot go back and reread it for exact quotes, that is not an option), what certain members said, and how the threads made them feel, what they learned from the threads, etc.....we would get 50 totally different responses. How individuals react and replay things that happen to them, things they hear, and things they read vary as much as the individuals themselves. Every one of the 50 may be true, but they will still all differ, and have differing highlights. While one thread might really strike a chord with one member, another may barely remember it.

Now that we have all 50 reports, say we want to share them with bandsters in Germany or Italy, so we need to translate the reports. To translate in exact terms is impossible, so somewhere someone has to take some liberty in making it understandable.

This is how I see the Bible in a way. It is told from different perspectives....in the view of the person writing. Then has been translated. I am not saying it is not a good book, nor that we should not pattern our lives along the lines suggested---I am just saying to ME it is not the be all end all.

And while I DO read it, and I DO believe, I also do not believe every thread on this forum should be bent to allow you to promote your views. This thread was regarding Palin and FOX. You have said you like her....good enough.

I think it is a good thing her being there. She has followers, she has those who dislike her intensely---but if it makes even one person more politically aware in a country that needs it then good, she IS just where she belongs.

[pattygreen 5]

I don't talk on every thread on this forum. There are many, many, many other threads that I am not on at all. If you don't want to talk to me because I talk about God, then don't go to the few threads that I am talking on, or you may put me on ignore and not view my posts at all. I have every right to be the person that I truly am while I talk here just as you do.

BTW, I don't agree with you about getting differing responses to the same book read. The phrase," Delight yourself in the Lord, and he will give you the desires of your heart." means just what it says. If you delight (find joy, pleasure,etc.) in God, he will give you the desires (anything you long or hope for) of your heart.

Can you make that say something different? How about: "Thou shalt not murder." Can you make that mean something else? And, "I love you" in french is "I love you" in english.