Conservative VS Liberal

[Cleo's Mom 257]

So to prove my point CM, thanks for another post that leaves out some important facts, like Dale Robertson was KICKED OUT of that rally for having that sign. Yeah, those mean racist, kicking out the only guy with N word sign. Thats so mean. Wait, oh, that would be an argument for them not being racist. Strange the huffington post would leave that tidbit out isn't it.

It couldn't be that he was an embarrassment and exposed the tea party for what it was, uncovering their hidden agenda? Because that's exactly what it was!! And it's telling that from that whole article, that is what you take away.

[Cleo's Mom 257]

From Ariscus99:

Liberal hypocrisy on the "nuclear option".

From ScienceBlogs.com

My favorite part is where Biden says on the floor of the Senate that the nuclear option is "the ultimate example of the arrogance of power" and a "fundamental power grab." Harry Reid also says it was only being considered because of the "arrogance of power of this Republican administration." Now if the Democrats go through with it, he'll have to be the one pulling the trigger.

It will be great fun to watch him try to justify himself. And equally fun to watch the Republicans in the Senate wax eloquent about the arrogance of the Democrats in doing what they wanted to do 5 years ago too.

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I copied this from a previous post I made on the hypocrisy thread:

Re: Hypocrisy of Republicans/Conservatives

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Republicans, healthcare, reconciliation and the nuclear option.

The nuclear option is actually a procedural plan in the Senate. In 2005, republican senator Bill Frist tried to get rid of the filibuster by using the nuclear option. He tried to do this to keep democratic senators from filibustering bush's judicial nominees. Republican Sen. Judd Gregg defended this nuclear option in 2005 as being a rule of the Senate.

Fast forward to 2010 and the healthcare debate and the lying republicans are saying that the democrats are going to use the nuclear option to pass it. NOT TRUE (but when has that ever stopped them from saying something?)

The democrats are considering using reconciliation as a option to pass healthcare reform. RECONCILIATION IS NOT THE NUCLEAR OPTION. So, if you hear republicans say it is, you will know they are lying.

You will also hear republicans say reconciliation was never and should never be used to pass big healthcare program.

Also false. Reconciliation was used to pass COBRA (the R in COBRA stands for reconciliation).

Reconciliation was used to pass S-CHIP.

In fact, most healthcare bills were passed with reconciliation.

Reconciliation has been used 22 times since 1980, 16 times by republicans, including both of bush's tax cuts for the rich (2001, 2003).

So, when they talk about the nuclear option or against reconciliation, the republicans are either lying or being typically hypocritcal.

Edited March 4, 2010 by Cleo's Mom

[ariscus99 1]

It couldn't be that he was an embarrassment and exposed the tea party for what it was, uncovering their hidden agenda? Because that's exactly what it was!! And it's telling that from that whole article, that is what you take away.

It's telling that I take away that another story you post is inaccurate and leaves key points out? Yeah I think so to, it's telling that I can see through the BS that the far left tries to show as news. They're continuing the swiftboating of America, and it's sad, and downright dishonest.

[Cleo's Mom 257]

It's telling that I take away that another story you post is inaccurate and leaves key points out? Yeah I think so to, it's telling that I can see through the BS that the far left tries to show as news. They're continuing the swiftboating of America, and it's sad, and downright dishonest.

What? That they got rid of him? As far as I can tell, only the Houston tea partiers disassociated themselves from him. And that ONLY 144 republicans voted no instead of 153? Neither changes the big picture.

Edited March 5, 2010 by Cleo's Mom

[ariscus99 1]

What? That they got rid of him? As far as I can tell, only the Houston tea partiers disassociated themselves from him. And that ONLY 144 republicans voted no instead of 153? Neither changes the big picture.

Both show that neither you nor the websites you use as your sources care about the whole truth, only the parts that help your agenda. And in the case of the votes, you think its a coincidence that there were 153 votes against and 9 being dems, and they just left that out saying 153 repubs voted against, no, they new it wasn't true and didn't care. And neither did you.

Edited March 5, 2010 by ariscus99

[Cleo's Mom 257]

Both show that neither you nor the websites you use as your sources care about the whole truth, only the parts that help your agenda. And in the case of the votes, you think its a coincidence that there were 153 votes against and 9 being dems, and they just left that out saying 153 repubs voted against, no, they new it wasn't true and didn't care. And neither did you.

The fact that 9 democrats voted against this bill is irrelevant because there have been a few democrats who have voted against all of the bills proposed by the democrats and Pres. Obama. What IS relevant is that almost all the republicans have voted against EVERYTHING - even things they had previously sponsored in this congress or voted or supported under bush. They vote against it just because the democrats have the majority. THAT is the real issue, not the number 9.

[ariscus99 1]

The fact that 9 democrats voted against this bill is irrelevant because there have been a few democrats who have voted against all of the bills proposed by the democrats and Pres. Obama. What IS relevant is that almost all the republicans have voted against EVERYTHING - even things they had previously sponsored in this congress or voted or supported under bush. They vote against it just because the democrats have the majority. THAT is the real issue, not the number 9.

The real issue is the one you've been dodging all day; HONESTY!

[Cleo's Mom 257]

The real issue is the one you've been dodging all day; HONESTY!

I haven't dodged anything. You just want to throw red herrings into the bigger picture to deflect from it.

Yawn :smile2:

[ariscus99 1]

I haven't dodged anything. You just want to throw red herrings into the bigger picture to deflect from it.

Yawn :smile2:

So then my assumption that your alright with the liberal media lying as long as it promotes your agenda is true. In which case your correct you didn't dodge anything, you just don't care if someone is lying to millions of people as long as yours and the dems agenda gets pushed through. Got it. Thanks for clearing that up.

Edited March 5, 2010 by ariscus99

[Cleo's Mom 257]

So then my assumption that your alright with the liberal media lying as long as it promotes your agenda is true. In which case your correct you didn't dodge anything, you just don't care if someone is lying to millions of people as long as yours and the dems agenda gets pushed through. Got it. Thanks for clearing that up.

I have no idea what you're talking about. Lying to millions of people? What dem agenda? Getting pushed where? :smile2: Move on, will you?

[ariscus99 1]

I have no idea what you're talking about. Lying to millions of people? What dem agenda? Getting pushed where? :w00t: Move on, will you?

Lying to millions of people? The huff, the kos, media matters, all lied about the bill you posted earlier, millions of people presumably read those sites, so that would mean they lied to millions of people.

Getting pushed where? Down the American people's throat.

The dem agenda? I'm not sure what it is you tell me. Other then continuing the swiftboating of America, and trying hard to become more socialistic, I'm really not too sure what it is, but you've posted before that you support the democratic agenda. So yeah move on, don't point out the lies, that undermines everything, pay no attention to the man behind the curtain...:smile2:

[BJean 16]

airscus, "Also fox regularly apologizes for their mistakes. Not something you hear from many liberal "news" agencies."

I respectfully disagree. They lie and when they are exposed, they make stuff up to divert attention away from the lie that they've made up.

This has a lot to do with our differing political views. You seem to believe that everybody but Fox is lying. I believe that everybody else usually has it right and Fox (and Limbaugh) are liars and are trying their dead level best to keep people like you lapping it up like milk by a kitten.

You've given your opinion. Now I've given you mine.

[BJean 16]

the swiftboating of America

Oh no you did not!!! The swiftboating of America??? Perpetrated by Democrats? Are you that brainwashed and out of touch with reality? Are you nuts? Do you have a clue at all about the Swiftboat campaign????

OMG!!!!!!!!

[ariscus99 1]

Do you have a clue at all about the swiftboating going on today? Perpetrated by the left wing media? You may be the brainwashed one if you don't see what is going on today.

[BJean 16]

Right....sure... uh huh...

honest to pete, you are beginning to crack me up!